Looking at a dice pool calculator, assuming excellency and specialty dice with a stunt at dc 9 we have a greater than 99% chance of at least one success. Seems more reliable than rolling for multiple successes and potentially coming in a few shy of the requirement.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
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- Germany
[X] Bronzetongue
There's 6 grenades.
Six disparate points of attack scattering across the room that have to be intercepted.
Hence you need 6 successes to stop them all.
Using a cultist as a shock barrier on one grenade isnt going to have any useful material impact, narratively or mechanically.
You might even have to suffer higher DC penalties to do so.
Looking at it even without craft excellency we're at 94%. Tempted by that for essence reasons, but given the consequences I'm not sure it's a good idea.
[X] Plan Clockwork Orange
-[X] Willpower TTC, essence MHM and craft excellency
-[X] Attempt to harvest the mechanical components of the grenades before they explode to make a mechanical desk toy and save primary attack action for the follow up
-[X] [Stunt] Landing on the other side Molly pushed, her will lashing out to rip order from the chaos. In a flash of poisonous green bizarre mechanical tendrils seemed to unfold from empty space; the fingers of an alien giant reaching in to briefly touch reality.
—[X] Each grenade was neatly sliced just below the firing pin, then pitted like a cherry. Snapping together in front of Molly something like an alien useless box formed; a switch that did nothing but flip itself off formed from firing pins, would be shrapnel, and strips of casing.
—[X] "No" Molly says, for all the world sounding like she's disciplining a dog for peeing on the carpet.
[X] Plan Clockwork Orange
-[X] Willpower TTC, essence MHM and craft excellency
-[X] Attempt to harvest the mechanical components of the grenades before they explode to make a mechanical desk toy and save primary attack action for the follow up
-[X] [Stunt] Landing on the other side Molly pushed, her will lashing out to rip order from the chaos. In a flash of poisonous green bizarre mechanical tendrils seemed to unfold from empty space; the fingers of an alien giant reaching in to briefly touch reality.
—[X] Each grenade was neatly sliced just below the firing pin, then pitted like a cherry. Snapping together in front of Molly something like an alien useless box formed; a switch that did nothing but flip itself off formed from firing pins, would be shrapnel, and strips of casing.
—[X] "No" Molly says, for all the world sounding like she's disciplining a dog for peeing on the carpet.
DP just said 1 success = all grenades:
The trade off is that if we get anything less than complete success for crush we still get some of the grenades, where the craft trick does nothing for anyone if we fail.
But we're talking a less than .9% chance of total failure here.
It is a little worse than that, if you fail the things will blow up as you are trying to figure them out so Molly will take more damage than if she did nothing.
Vote is tied. One thing I will say about Plan Clockwork Orange which has not come up before is that it uses more resources.
I missed that.
Thanks for pointing it out.
That looks...I dunno.
Narratively you are trying to defuse six active explosive devices in combat time.
I dont see how you're not going to be suffering escalating dice penalties for that in addition to the DC increasing.
And we are dealing with a cumulative 72 Damage attack (M20 p455. Fragmentation Grenade, 12 dice damage).
I hope the QM rolls it as 6x 12 damage attacks instead of 1x 72 damage attack, but thats still enough to kill most mortals in this room. And cripple us.
Then there's the other issues.
Craft Excellency which does not contribute to Molly's defence, so if the blatantly signposted second or third attack happens, Molly doesnt get the benefit of an Excellency-boosted parry.
And you did not activate any of her soak charms either, despite us still walking around with the lesson of the Egyptian robot stabbing the fuck out of our ribs.
Or a Perception booster in a situation where we are getting ambushes.
Essentially, you're burning a lot more resources in an attempt to get similar results.
Wait.
*checks M20 again*
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Do those look like explosive grenades? Or GAS grenades?
Can Molly tell?
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[X] Plan Clockwork Orange
Vote closed, lets see how this goes.
Phew.
That would have been an unpleasant surprise.
Kinda worse than that.
It hasnt even spent any Essence on soak or Perception.
And worse for the plan itself, MHM does not appear to benefit from Craft Excellency.
Just Occult, Brawl or Melee.
So its rolling 9 dice, not 19. At DC9.
Bad plan.
EDIT
And the voting has closed. Oh dear.
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I can see how it might look like multiple actions but if it was multiple actions that means every crafting action where you have to go to grab a tool is also multi-action and that's kind of strange. These things have no means to resist nor fight back and are inanimate objects that are sitting on the floor.
Normal crafting actions do not take place in combat time.
When Molly Attacks, Defends and Runs in one combat turn, she takes escalating multi-action penalties to her dice pool and DC.
They actually can and do both in Mage the Ascension and exalted versus World Of Darkness explicitly in the case of Craftsman needs no tools and Tool transcendent constructs. See Trinkets section of craft rules.
That isn't how ability excellencies work. Any action using an ability is affected by that Excellency period. Mind hand manipulation would benefit from the activation of a occult Excellency for the activation of the charm. This crafting action using the Mind hands would also benefit from a craft Excellency that's how excellencies work and I think you know that.
No thats not actually true in ExWoD.
Take a look at the rules chapter again.
You are mistaken.
From the front page:
I remember this in particular because we had to get the QM to house-rule that we could use Melee Excellencies in place of Brawl Excellencies for MHM.Mind-Hand Manipulation said:
Normally its just Occult or Brawl, and we have Brawl 0.
The trinket section literally says you can make devices on the spot using the crafting charm. Also that isn't what you were arguing you said mind hand manipulation doesn't benefit from a craft Excellency on a crafting action which isn't true. That'd be like saying it doesn't benefit from occult or brawl excellencies on activation or on attacks.
1)There are no Crafting charms in M20 because there are no Exalts
2) You do not make Trinkets in 3 seconds, which is what a combat turn is.
3) Holden's Exalted Crafting system in play here explicitly does not allow you to make Trinkets
It does not.
The plain language of the charm is there. I quoted it so there would be no mistake about what the rules actually are.
If you go under the repair and crafting section in M20 you can perform crafting/repairing within combat time the accumulative successes are not in your favor but it is possible nonetheless.
Trinkets are Gadgets in the Holden crafting system I know it's the same name as the Mage trinkets but it's a different thing that is my fault I forgot that they have the same name but it's under the gadget section it's the first thing you can make they are one-off items.
That isn't how abilities work. If you were using the craft ability and you have a craft Excellency you can use the Excellency no matter what the tool you're using to perform the craft action is.
Citation needed.
Im looking at it now and what I find appears to say the opposite.
None of these are combat-time shit.
No they arent.
Similar but different. Holden didnt simply just change the names.
Im not a fan of the Holden system for a reason.
I have provided the rules as stated. From the front page, even.
They do not appear to agree with you.
- Location
- washington
I know that the place that people sleep in the first book didn't count as a threshold simply cause it was desolate and sort of used as a communal place to do dark rituals and so didn't have a threshold even though people slept there. I know Dresdens isn't all too powerful though it's more than workable because one he doesn't have family, two it's rented, and good times help the power of a threshold.
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