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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Yog said:
So, to make sure: we need a pure mortal, who will be doing a heroic thing while the gates held by sin eater break open? Or what is the release condition? Could you clarify a bit?

Anyway, yeah, I think we should call what mortals we know (Murphy, maybe Charity and lay down this opportunity).

... Is Harry eligible for Exaltation? Or, as a full trained wizard he counts as a mage in a way that Molly didn't? Because if he's eligible, this is almost guaranteed to happen.
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I mean, yeah, but managing to force that is going to be a nightmare. I don't condone putting someone in that situation in the hope they exalt. If something goes wrong or they fail to overcome the impossible odds they likely die.

Alternatively we could just release it and let it exalt someone it wants naturally and use our questions to instantly know who so we can go find and recruit them into the bad ass girls squad.
 
DragonParadox said:
Who is reaching beyond themselves and yes wizards are technically eligible. Just be aware that this is the warrior exaltation, fighting against a foe beyond human abilities is generally required
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But, if I understand correctly, it's essentially primed for release? Or does it require the cataclysm to go off? Basically, do we need to let the cataclysm happen, or would heroically stopping it be enough for the exaltation to happen?
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Placing your had on the cold glass you try to listen to its memories, to see as it has seen. That sunburst isn't gold, it isn't any earthly metal and something, maybe the pain in your side, tells you the core of that spear isn't either, pieces left over, pieces repurposed. "The power on its own, no. I think it is a passage, a way back and a way forward to the time when the sands glowed gold over the land that would be Egypt. "
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Wait, does this imply that some ancient pharaoh was an actual solar exalt? And rather than being sealed away, exaltation was hurled into the future as a way to get rid of it?
Fouredged Sword said:
I mean, yeah, but managing to force that is going to be a nightmare. I don't condone putting someone in that situation in the hope they exalt. If something goes wrong or they fail to overcome the impossible odds they likely die.

Alternatively we could just release it and let it exalt someone it wants naturally and use our questions to instantly know who so we can go find and recruit them into the bad ass girls squad.
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I think it's moral enough to call Charity and/or Murphy and explain the situation to them, giving them a ride to the city if they want it.
 
tenchifew said:
Pulling off directing a solar exaltation will be extremely difficult.
This said, we can at least try. There is Molly's brother and Murphy who could qualify, at least.
Another interesting candidate c be Charity, actually. Wha other people come to mind?
This said, we still would need to arrange suitable conditions, still, really hard.
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Michael is the best option. He's skilled and experienced, a bona fide hero already. He's a baseline mortal with great skill in fighting superhuman foes.

We also have a ready supply of superhuman sparring partners in Molly's hell, where he'd be the only valid candidate.
Fouredged Sword said:
I mean, yeah, but managing to force that is going to be a nightmare. I don't condone putting someone in that situation in the hope they exalt. If something goes wrong or they fail to overcome the impossible odds they likely die.

Alternatively we could just release it and let it exalt someone it wants naturally and use our questions to instantly know who so we can go find and recruit them into the bad ass girls squad.
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You don't need to be in danger at all to Exalt. People have Exalted studying hard in a library or pushing themselves against a stronger competitor in a martial arts match.

We can very easily arrange the later. Sparring with Molly herself very likely qualifies. As does facing a cyber-fomor in the ring.

Yog said:
I think it's moral enough to call Charity and/or Murphy and explain the situation to them, giving them a ride to the city if they want it.
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Why would we call either of them, neither are particular good candidates from our perspective?

Charity doesn't want supernatural powers. Murphy has a full time, demanding job that she's committed to which is basically incompatible with full time hero-img.
 
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Yog said:
But, if I understand correctly, it's essentially primed for release? Or does it require the cataclysm to go off? Basically, do we need to let the cataclysm happen, or would heroically stopping it be enough for the exaltation to happen?

Wait, does this imply that some ancient pharaoh was an actual solar exalt? And rather than being sealed away, exaltation was hurled into the future as a way to get rid of it?

I think it's moral enough to call Charity and/or Murphy and explain the situation to them, giving them a ride to the city if they want it.
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I think anyone who knows there is a solar exaltation out there waiting in the wings is incapable of qualifying for a solar exaltation.
 
We could go into our hell recruit one of the massive nuclear dragons that we have there to pretend to go on a rampage in the Wilds near the cities then ask our brother for help when we obviously have a half broken rib cage don't tell him anything say the dragon's been sent on a rampage by foul magic and must be turned away but not killed from the cities release the exaltation when he's not looking and let it do the rest.

Because we have the glass casing that contains the exaltation. It can be broken open by mundane bullets.
 
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Degorium said:
We could go into our hell recruit one of the massive nuclear dragons that we have there to pretend to go on a rampage in the Wilds near the cities then ask our brother for help when we obviously have a half broken rib cage don't tell him anything say the dragon's been sent on a rampage by foul magic and must be turned away but not killed from the cities release the exaltation when he's not looking and let it do the rest.
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Why go to those lengths though? Unless it's changed, you don't need to be or believe you're in lethal danger to Exalt.

Fouredged Sword said:
I think anyone who knows there is a solar exaltation out there waiting in the wings is incapable of qualifying for a solar exaltation.
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Fair point. We can't tell them. We can probably tell Daniel that he needs to graduate from training from hell in the FFC to prove himself, and he'd go for it, and doing that as a baseline mortal is probably Exalrayion worthy when there are no other candidates.

Before the Primordial Wars, this is pretty much how the first generation of solars proved themselves, in training from hell and competitions organised by the Dragon Kings, IIRC.
 
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Alratan said:
Michael can't bring the sword into Molly's hell, so problem solved.
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But if he's exalted, the sword will still do its best to keep any fight he enters a fair match, and in 99.99% of all cases, that means disabling the glorious dawn bullshittery. Also, becoming effectively unaging and immortal, always fighting, while watching his wife and kids grow old and die, seems like Michael's personal hell.
 
Alratan said:
Why go to those lengths though? Unless it's changed, you don't need to be or believe you're in lethal danger to Exalt.



Fair point. We can't tell them. We can probably tell Daniel that he needs to graduate from training from hell in the FFC to prove himself, and he'd go for it, and doing that as a baseline mortal is probably Exalrayion worthy when there are no other candidates.
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Well the idea is that we would tell the dragon because we know they are completely sentient/ Sapient so we can just have a conversation like please don't actually use your like major fire breath directly on him like Telegraph a little bit you know we can really like control the difficulty of the fight. But from the exaltation and from Daniel's standpoint it is a brother fighting a dragon that broke his sister's rib cage for a noble cause to prevent it from reaching these cities full of people. If he doesn't know why we have a broken rib cage and he doesn't know dragons in our hell are sentient and he believes he's doing it for a good reason and he believes he might be in real danger there's really no way for the exaltation to detect anything's wrong.
 
Alratan said:
Michael is the best option. He's skilled and experienced, a bona fide hero already. He's a baseline mortal with great skill in fighting superhuman foes.

We also have a ready supply of superhuman sparring partners in Molly's hell, where he'd be the only valid candidate.

You don't need to be in danger at all to Exalt. People have Exalted studying hard in a library or pushing themselves against a stronger competitor in a martial arts match.

We can very easily arrange the later. Sparring with Molly herself very likely qualifies. As does facing a cyber-fomor in the ring.



Why would we call either of them, neither are particular good candidates from our perspective?

Charity doesn't want supernatural powers. Murphy has a full time, demanding job that she's committed to which is basically incompatible with full time hero-img.
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we can find her a new job later, its important that her carrer
 
So, anyway, I think we agree that, as long as we don't actually need to nearly cause the apocalypse, from the moral and utilitarian perspective, it's better for the exaltation to happen.
DragonParadox said:
We are talking pre-Dynastic Egypt here, a process that took place around the drying of the Sahara so not the pharaohs, the gods they worshiped in memory of an even older time.
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Still, this is modern enough that at least Mother Queens of the Fae, probably Odin and Archive should have records of / remember solars being around... I wonder if this is the only such container around.

Hmm... Call Odin, get him to send his most heroic mortal employee here pronto? That's a big enough favor I think to get taught soul fire and still be in the black.
Tranquil Zebra said:
But if he's exalted, the sword will still do its best to keep any fight he enters a fair match, and in 99.99% of all cases, that means disabling the glorious dawn bullshittery. Also, becoming effectively unaging and immortal, always fighting, while watching his wife and kids grow old and die, seems like Michael's personal hell.
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Which is why we should call Charity.
Alratan said:
Why would we call either of them, neither are particular good candidates from our perspective?

Charity doesn't want supernatural powers. Murphy has a full time, demanding job that she's committed to which is basically incompatible with full time hero-img.
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Charity, i think, would take solar exaltation at this point. Maybe reluctantly, but she'll take it. Murphy, as a solar, would quickly reorganize special investigations and get herself enough free time to go adventuring with her glorious solar BS.

They are not perfect but they are good enough candidates. We could do better though, yes. Hmm... Brother Divsimar? He is a genuine hero, and a warrior-philosopher of the kind exalted are supposed to be. And solar qiao master is a kind of thing that will probably make Yama Kings and eldest Jades feel genuine fear (and also all the hate). Not sure who else we could call. Our brother I am very iffy about.

Anyway, voting, for now.

[X] Hope and relief. It is good to know that there are more backups, more hidden vaults, buried treasures and sleeping heroes in the world that you thought of and knew about. That in the darkest hour, even if you are not there, there's a chance for another to rise from among the ranks of humanity and face the monsters from beyond the borders of Creation.

This, I think, is what this genuinely is - it's another independent force that, in the darkest hour will be there to safeguard Creation. it is relieving to know, inspiring to see, that we have more allies than we or anyone else thought we had.
 
BoredMan said:
Not sure she would agree with this attitude regarding her chosen lifestyle.
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I don't actually care very much about her opinions. The world needs good exalted and she is the perfect candiate. She can hate us afterwards. She will do the right thing when it matters.


Bro i just saw that message, and brother divismar is such good fucking pick. We should definitely do it to him.
 
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Fair, my first thought of the perfect candidate for a Dawn caste was also Murphy- with Tiger Warrior she can boost her buddies in SI and she would work to protect humanity from the supernatural like a true Solar champion. She already has the mindset, and the exaltation just gives the the power.
 
Tranquil Zebra said:
But if he's exalted, the sword will still do its best to keep any fight he enters a fair match, and in 99.99% of all cases, that means disabling the glorious dawn bullshittery. Also, becoming effectively unaging and immortal, always fighting, while watching his wife and kids grow old and die, seems like Michael's personal hell.
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If he's Exalted he can hand the sword into someone else who can become a knight. His canon retirement date isn't far off. As a solar exalt, he'd be much safer than as a Knight. He wouldn't get crippled. And I doubt the sword can suppress an Exaltation.

Molly is his daughter and can pretty easily get to the point where she can make her family biologically immortal. The concern about his family aging is a red herring, it doesn't apply at all.

Acolyte said:
we can find her a new job later, its important that her carrer
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But she doesn't want to give up her current job as far as I can tell. She'd committed to it and believes in it.

That makes her a bad candidate compared to people who don't have a day job they believe in, like Daniel or Michael.

Yog said:
Charity, i think, would take solar exaltation at this point. Maybe reluctantly, but she'll take it. Murphy, as a solar, would quickly reorganize special investigations and get herself enough free time to go adventuring with her glorious solar BS.

They are not perfect but they are good enough candidates. We could do better though, yes. Hmm... Brother Divsimar? He is a genuine hero, and a warrior-philosopher of the kind exalted are supposed to be. And solar qiao master is a kind of thing that will probably make Yama Kings and eldest Jades feel genuine fear (and also all the hate). Not sure who else we could call. Our brother I am very iffy about.
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Charity is a full time mother. She's raising multiple small children. She has too many obligations to be a full time hero on a global scale.

Murphy is a full time police officer. She also has two many obligations.

They are bad candidates. Yes; Charity could get a nanny to raise her children for her, or Murphy could quit her job to go murderhobo-ing.

We've no reason to particularly believe they want to do that. Charity seems to be happy raising her family, and Murphy seems to believe in her job and wants to keep up her father's legacy

By contrast, Michael is already a full time hero, and Daniel is desperate to get involved.

Michael also has the great advantage that he can hit the ground running as he's very experienced. He's also one of the few people we can be completely confident in trusting with the power of a solar exaltation.
 
Yog said:
So, anyway, I think we agree that, as long as we don't actually need to nearly cause the apocalypse, from the moral and utilitarian perspective, it's better for the exaltation to happen.
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Who is we? Don't speak for all of us. If it chooses someone good then its a good thing but if it doesn't then it isn't better if it happens. If this is a good thing or not depends on who it chooses which is why people(including you) are trying to steer it a certain way. What kind of Exaltion you get doesn't dictate what a person will do with it either Molly being a perfect example of that herself.
 
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Yog said:
So, anyway, I think we agree that, as long as we don't actually need to nearly cause the apocalypse, from the moral and utilitarian perspective, it's better for the exaltation to happen.

Still, this is modern enough that at least Mother Queens of the Fae, probably Odin and Archive should have records of / remember solars being around... I wonder if this is the only such container around.

Hmm... Call Odin, get him to send his most heroic mortal employee here pronto? That's a big enough favor I think to get taught soul fire and still be in the black.

Which is why we should call Charity.

Charity, i think, would take solar exaltation at this point. Maybe reluctantly, but she'll take it. Murphy, as a solar, would quickly reorganize special investigations and get herself enough free time to go adventuring with her glorious solar BS.

They are not perfect but they are good enough candidates. We could do better though, yes. Hmm... Brother Divsimar? He is a genuine hero, and a warrior-philosopher of the kind exalted are supposed to be. And solar qiao master is a kind of thing that will probably make Yama Kings and eldest Jades feel genuine fear (and also all the hate). Not sure who else we could call. Our brother I am very iffy about.
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Is there a reason your iffy on Daniel. My reasons for wanting him are that he is involved with Lydia, he directly wants to get involved with the supernatural scene in a combat capacity, he's our brother, he is someone who would be willing to directly fight by our side and take our commands, he is someone we can directly interact with and Trust to keep this power from being abused, he will be around just in Chicago to help keep our home safe as well. I don't want Murphy because she is not exactly a candidate I would like to work with. Charity literally can't have it there's no world where she can exalt because she has no Ambitions Beyond being what she is right now and actively tried to quash any ambition for her children to be more then mortal.
 
Alratan said:
But she doesn't want to give up her current job as far as I can tell. She'd committed to it and believes in it.

That makes her a bad candidate compared to people who don't have a day job they believe in, like Daniel or Michael.
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i am on the brother divismar train now
Degorium said:
Is there a reason your iffy on Daniel. My reasons for wanting him are that he is involved with Lydia, he directly wants to get involved with the supernatural scene in a combat capacity, he's our brother, he is someone who would be willing to directly fight by our side and take our commands, he is someone we can directly interact with and Trust to keep this power from being abused, he will be around just in Chicago to help keep our home safe as well. I don't want Murphy because she is not exactly a candidate I would like to work with. Charity literally can't have it there's no world where she can exalt because she has no Ambitions Beyond being what she is right now and actively tried to quash any ambition for her children to be more then mortal.
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he doesn't deserve it
 
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If we exorcised Thomas' Hunger Demon, wouldn't he qualify?

He's barely a magician - if through neglected talent rather than lack of it - so should be more suitable, very skilled in mundane combat, already loyal to us and Harry, and a firm part of our organization.
 
I'd say Michael is the best candidate we have, with Daniel secondary.

Brother Divismar seems to be enjoying retirement. I'm not sure he'd want to go back into the field full time. If he did I would put him higher up the list.
 
Acolyte said:
i am on the brother divismar train now


he doesn't deserve it
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Neither do we neither has anyone who has ever been exalted. It is a blessing you are given not something you can deserve you can earn it make no doubt but it is a blessing not a reward. When we made our way out of winters hellish Garden fighting our way out we earned it but we did not deserve it.
Acolyte said:
I don't want a subordinate.

We need someone we know can handle themselves and make the right choices when push comes to shove.

He is wise enough to trust with that power.
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Okay I want a circle mate an ally that we can trust that doesn't have an outside influence that they're explicitly loyal to. That we can indeed trust to make the right choices if for no other reason than the right choices are defend Lydia and keep himself safe so we can fight ever harder. Exalts grow really quickly he'll start as strong as Lydia is now and grow more so as time goes on so selecting someone who will have to go back to their order/take on other students soon doesn't really make sense. At least not to my mind.
 
Degorium said:
Is there a reason your iffy on Daniel. My reasons for wanting him are that he is involved with Lydia, he directly wants to get involved with the supernatural scene in a combat capacity, he's our brother, he is someone who would be willing to directly fight by our side and take our commands, he is someone we can directly interact with and Trust to keep this power from being abused, he will be around just in Chicago to help keep our home safe as well. I don't want Murphy because she is not exactly a candidate I would like to work with. Charity literally can't have it there's no world where she can exalt because she has no Ambitions Beyond being what she is right now and actively tried to quash any ambition for her children to be more then mortal.
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Yeah, you might be right. And it would be funny to basically get all Carpenter children to exalt... I am not sure. It's hypocritical of me, yes. He is a good candidate, and an almost-perfect member for our Circle. Honestly, I am not sure why I don't like this idea. I'll have to think about it.
 
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