BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
That's because Yog edited the vote. It's mostly the same though so I'm sure DP will count it.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Yeah no problem the rate is all bashing or 1 lethal per fifteen minutes or 1 aggravated per hour.
Yes really. I get how the ability is supposed to work, but but the net effect is that this guy is out performing the caps everyone else in a similar situation have to hit.
If we're going to have to deal with people directly opposing charms like this it should at least be consistent. What he did was functionally indistinguishable from rolling to dispell, framing it as taking another coincidentally contradictory action just kills counter spelling and replaces it with a different uncapped equivalent.
At which point why wouldn't literally everyone do that instead?
You're not counterspelling a charm, you're just opposing it by doing the sort of magic you're best at to the same target in exactly the same way a counterspell would* that doesn't have to deal with any of the complications of doing so.
From a fluff perspective it doesn't make much more sense to me. Summoning a ghost just floating around, or even one trapped in a prison of some sort, presumes a lot on his part about the interaction as part of using that supernatural knowledge in the first place.
Magic bullshit is magic bullshit, but the setup here sounds like something between bringing the best heart surgeon in the state to treat bites from a newly discovered spider from the amazon and trying to rescue someone with a pitbull latched onto their throat by pulling on their hair.
* I mean that literally. The counter spell rules are basically that you describe how your skill set could be used to address the effect and roll arete to see if it works. If that vamp was in the scene, knew the general details of what we were about to do, then tried to stop us with magic under the same argument by RaW he'd roll a lower pool.
If what he was preparing for was us and they had time to figure our what to do sure, but the best land mines in the world shouldn't stop an air strike.
This guy quite nearly an actual spud. Clever, but if you're going to be rendered helpless by shooting your gun three times and are willing to risk it in a room where the least dangerous person worth space in the initiative order is either Dresden or the dysfunctional magitech god You're probably not a favored childe of anyone important. Blamps are exceedingly risk averse these days.
Not what this implies:
Cite.
Can't have been the first one and initial creator if his dad made them first. He probably copied his notes for it, but still.
Talking past each other again, I'm referring to the sire.
Iku Turso the Rakasha turned war god wants to counter a specific charm he's seen before in an ambush he's planning for. He uses his knowledge of what essence shaping is and noted magical ability to devise a counter, rolling 7 dice from his arete pool.
Nate's sire performs some sort of ritual to prep, but presumably it's against stuff actually relevant to what their idiot is going to encounter.
So they come in by surprise with no idea what they're facing until it's already happening with a ritual targeted at a different kind of magic to back them up. Then they roll more than twice the dice to do the same thing because they're allowed to use their skills/abilities instead.
A ritual based on a 2 dot power for summoning ghosts that is highly unlikely to have been built with this in mind is a flimsy thing to rest getting to opt out of the rules.
My point is that the Yama Kings have root level soul access comparable to blamp sires over their spawn and direct access to the soul at will besides.
Suggesting they don't meet the bar for being connected enough to act when a blamp does is silly.
If he was he would probably have been here by doombot/ spawn. He's basically got his mook merit badges pined to his chest in every scene we see him in.
The funny thing about *if we get killed the quest end* is that, the immense majority of the time, this is false.
There are extremely few QMs who are willing to either kill their MC or stop the quest on one mistake, part of the job is to nudge the numbers and/or restart from an earlier point.
Which runs into the problem that not everyone agrees that virtual intelligences can even exist.
There's a reason I have a rant about how the chinese room problem in my sig, and that's precisely because of that.
If it quack like a duck, act like a duck, and look like a duck, it's a duck.
I wouldn't call it counter Magic not just replacing its name but more like if two exalts used a spirit killer at the same time. That is what happened we entered essentially a grapple contest for this guy's soul and the other person on the other end had a better roll than we did. That is different than anything anyone else could possibly do because to enter that some third party would have to have a full claim and possibly want the soul to activate that kind of roll. Counter magic would have just let this guy Soul go there was another being that yanked his soul from being either a sublimated by Oblivion or taken to an afterlife whatever happens to Black Court vampires. The Voice literally claims ownership of his soul when he rolls against us to eat him. That isn't a random two-dot power that's a ritual with a being that if they wanted to could just eat your soul.
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BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
Yeah we are getting into metagaming territory here. Not bothering with this.
Not going to speak on this either, I'm getting a headache just considering it. Magic of some kind is involved which makes this a pointless argument to have anyway.
I would be super excited to see what we could play if molly dies.
Maybe we play a nation quest where we play our world after the white god stablizes it.
Or we can play a michal that goes abyssal from the grief. Or we play as our god daughter raised with the knowldge of our experts.
Maybe we play a nation quest where we play our world after the white god stablizes it.
Or we can play a michal that goes abyssal from the grief. Or we play as our god daughter raised with the knowldge of our experts.
Possible. But unlikely.
Dresden Files wizards can already build some appallingly powerful constructs as of canon; there have been mentions of slime-golems and barbed wire golems in Its My Birthday, Too and Day Off, we see Ancient Mai's wardhounds in multiple books, and a sorcerer-built golem is the focus of the plot in Down Town.
And there's a random Word of Jim about a Belgian wizard called Klaus the Toymaker.
Who allegedly put down an SS fortress in WW2 with one windup duck.
Basically, Dresdenverse got the magic robot game on lock when they so choose.
There would be no reason to risk plugging in a sapience unit of unknown loyalties into a new construct.
Try replacing a car's metal and hydraulic transmission with wood.
Or a fuse with a random stretch of metal.
It cant handle the stresses.
It would be straight up less trouble to leave the original parts alone than to replace them with newer inferior shit.
Ah, I see the confusion.
Yes, he said that in 2015, but that explicitly contradicted what Ebenezer said on the subject in Blood Rites.
Latest Word of Jim on the subject was a podcast three years ago(2020/2021), which clarifies the subject:
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Essentially Drakul invented them to as his way of making small numbers of super powerful personal henchmen, and has had them around for a very long time. But his son, Dracula, was the one who proliferated them all around the place and made them an organization.
Which is why the Black Court as an organization, isnt all that much older than Dracula.
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Today's White Council can do impressive Golems.
No idea how good Egyptian wizards from 1000+BC were.
Older isn't always better, in some areas there can be progress.
Not if they were breaking already. And the thing is likely working at only partial performance
You say that like there isn't a certain kind of person who'd have the magic robot game down to reflex that'd do it because they can.
The book has rules for exalts in a charm fight. The point is that countering a charm has a profile because generic countermagic isn't exactly a thing.
Most counters are something like one mage using forces to push an object and another using it to hold the thing in place. You can use mana manipulation to kill the effect, but you have to spec into that and know what you're effecting. Both use the arete rule.
If you could do this the other way then having that system in the first place makes no sense. Instead of declaring you're trying to counter then how your magic does so you'd just do the exact same things with more dice by ignoring the other person.
Arc 11 Post 62: The Riddle of Ra
The Riddle of Ra
12th of January 2007 A.D.
"It's... talking subvocalizing in a war human ears cannot catch," it is also defective and heavily armed. Judging from Tiffany's expression she realizes what that spear of light would have done to someone less firmly attached to their internal organs than you. On the other hand this entity whatever it is seems to be broadly aligned against the Black Court, probably against Sandra's patrons as well—the Sun is good for that kind of work— not to mention the Cult of Ra Descending seem to be on the level themselves. Senses sharpened to a painful hum, you open your mind to the universe around you, and some portion of your soul fans out into the air of the temple.
How would one go about repairing the entity before me?
The Sun Red at Dawn, a shield against the night-that-was, night to be, make it whole let it speak.
Cobbler's bullet had shot a hole three fourths of the way down from the center of the disk perpendicular to the floor. Subtly you are reminded of the card he had shown you at the canals. On that card the sun had a face and the bullet would have struck it right in the middle of its mouth, silencing it.
Lost 2 Essence and 1 Willpower (Crafting Excellency; Crown Question; All Things Betray) -> Now at 5/15 Essence and 8/9 Willpower
"The missing piece, the one that's been shot, we have to find it."
After a moment's scramble Harry points at the scrap of gold that had been excised from the disk, though he wisely does not pick it up yet. "Mr Adkin if you would please restore that to where it belongs." You end up having to fly the old man up so he can reach the hole,a cutely aware that you are still in reach of that spear and the idol is still spewing out error messages at an increasing, alarming rate. "Just tap that in, it's the position that matters," hopefully, you do not add aloud.
The moment silver taps against gold there is a flash of golden light, as though the universe itself was glass suddenly turned molten and on that canvas a sun disk with eight rays, the mark of Dawn. Thankfully that does not make you drop the over a hundred year old man and when your vision clears you can still see the sun disk, though this time shining through the disk behind the statue.
Without prompting the statue starts to move, taking three long steps to stand over the pile of ash and blood that had preciously been a vampire, it looks down and though there is no reading a face of stone you get the sense from its posture that it is regretful, perhaps even mournful.
"[Alignment/Focus/Opening Impossible Counterfeit/Negative Pattern]"
The serpent-headed woman who had faded into little more than an impression reflected in the walls of the glass chamber now floats until she is about heart-height on the statue and raises both her heads in opposite directions, east and west precisely. Thus it intones not to you, but to Adkin and the others:
"The hour that was promised you is close. A shadow will fall over this land, wishing to devour the living and the dead, from under that Shadow shall rise a soul Ra-Reborn the King-Who-Was-Osiris, the King-Who-Was-Horus, the King-Who-Will Be."
There is a sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach and it is starting to get a name, though you don't want to speak it aloud: "Why must this be?"
"Again the walls of Creation are failing, again the blood of the earth is poisoned by the fangs of the serpent of night, again the Sun shall rise over the plains and the wastes shall not consume the valley of the west as it was in the east."
"Ah..." Lydia's mouth pops open into a 'o', that does not look like the happy kind of surprise.
Lydia loses 1 Essence -> Now at 6/7 (Intelligence Excelency)
"Come on, we have to see about that wound," Tiffany proceeds to drag both you and Lydia out of the room as you call out to Harry to secure Cobbler's remains.
Once you are out of earshot of the chamber, hopefully Lydia explains in a rushed whisper: "Egypt was founded in the Valley of the Nile by people who once dwelt in the plains that are now the Sahara, they migrated east until they found the Nile and there they tilled the land and cared for the crops. I think it is implying that the release of the evil that is contained under Vegas will make a desert like that one, continent spanning and that again it will be stopped by the light of Ra... a New Ra in the west." She takes a deep breath. "It thought you were one for some reason, but now it's back on track, a door open to Apophis devourer of life, thus shall be born a wasteland against it to rise, Kemet-Come-Again. But that thing obviously doesn't have the power to do it. It is just an old idol some twit looking for conversation pieces dug up a few hundred years ago."
Placing your had on the cold glass you try to listen to its memories, to see as it has seen. That sunburst isn't gold, it isn't any earthly metal and something, maybe the pain in your side, tells you the core of that spear isn't either, pieces left over, pieces repurposed. "The power on its own, no. I think it is a passage, a way back and a way forward to the time when the sands glowed gold over the land that would be Egypt. "
What is Molly's reaction to what she has just found out?
[] Concern, the world does not need any would be sun-gods trying for a do-over on the dawn of civilization, shut this thing down
[] Interest, if this thing is happening maybe it could be directed, you certainly need all the help you can get
[] Write in
OOC: Congrats you found the key to another Exaltation... just as it was about to fire itself off in response to a major incursion from Outside.
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Can someone explain what's going on? I'm a bit confused.
I wonder if there's anyone suitable for Exaltation as a Dawn caste solar in Molly's Hell.
Or whether her father or brother may be. Get them to do some heroicly difficult Dawn style things in the FFC and they'd probably be prime candidates, as the only humans who aren't creatures of darkness in that realm they'd be preferred.
The Exaltation could probably find its way out, but it may not bother if their are a couple of good options right in front of it
Or whether her father or brother may be. Get them to do some heroicly difficult Dawn style things in the FFC and they'd probably be prime candidates, as the only humans who aren't creatures of darkness in that realm they'd be preferred.
The Exaltation could probably find its way out, but it may not bother if their are a couple of good options right in front of it
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A Dawn caste huh. Also seems like people where half right, it is not a world ending threat going on in Vegas. Just a continent level threat.
Her father will likely never be because the sword he wields means he will never face impossible odds. He may win or lose, but he will never face a challenge he is not a match for.
Solar Exaltation can only bond to baseline humans so anyone in your Hell is out unfortunately.
I think that this thing is a mobile vault of a solar exaltation, the release condition for which is "the outer gate in Vegas gets opened", where in response to a major outside incursion it opens and a new solar is created to stop the calamity...
I think.
Do we have a way to direct the exaltation to anyone? Because I have half a mind to just immediately go grab Murphy. Or Charity, actually - she might be up to it by now.
Not in any magical sense, that is something that can be done with Ancient Sorcery, but not by a Sorceress with two spells to her name. You do know what the conditions for Exaltation are, so if you could arrange those in close proximity to letting one of those loose you might get somewhere.
Michael can't bring the sword into Molly's hell, so problem solved.
Even better. If we take Michael or Daniel there then they're the only valid candidates, which should really up their odds.
Have them spar with a cyber-fomor, and really push themselves. You don't need to be in actual danger to earn an Exaltation.
Get Lash to boost their attributes to peak human, and they should be able to demonstrate sufficient excellence.
They're ideal candidates for ExWoD solar Exaltation. They're baseline mortals with no template who are exposed to supernatural evil and motivated to do something about it, and Michael is already a hero so clearly qualifies if anyone in the world does.
Charity is a bad option as she had supernatural powers which the Solar Exaltations avoid. I also don't think she wants supernatural powers.
And Murphy has her day job and is currently too committed to it and the ideology behind it. She's also useful in her current position, so there's an opportunity cost to her giving it up to make full use of being a solar exalt.
Best to keep it in the family. Michael because he'd make best immediate use of the Wxaltation as he's been a full time professional warrior for twenty years. Or Daniel because he's looking for empowerment and this is the best and safest way.
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Pulling off directing a solar exaltation will be extremely difficult.
This said, we can at least try. There is Molly's brother and Murphy who could qualify, at least.
Another interesting candidate can be Charity, actually. What other people come to mind?
This said, we still would need to arrange suitable conditions, still, really hard.
This said, we can at least try. There is Molly's brother and Murphy who could qualify, at least.
Another interesting candidate can be Charity, actually. What other people come to mind?
This said, we still would need to arrange suitable conditions, still, really hard.
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So, to make sure: we need a pure mortal, who will be doing a heroic thing while the gates held by sin eater break open? Or what is the release condition? Could you clarify a bit?
Anyway, yeah, I think we should call what mortals we know (Murphy, maybe Charity and lay down this opportunity).
... Is Harry eligible for Exaltation? Or, as a full trained wizard he counts as a mage in a way that Molly didn't? Because if he's eligible, this is almost guaranteed to happen.
Who is reaching beyond themselves and yes wizards are technically eligible. Just be aware that this is the warrior exaltation, fighting against a foe beyond human abilities is generally required