Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Really wish that we have gotten some of these easy minion recruit options for coming to Vegas by some people seems to hate the very idea.
Yeah they seem to think it's mind control despite the fact that we've run stronger difficulty reducers in conversations with our mom. Though this one might actually help the person who's exposed to them rather than just making it easier to convince them on our end.

Now from what I remember I think three or four dot Alchemy can get rid of the ' 'Mind Control' ' aspects of Mana maggot plague.
 
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It had been an act of kindness in its own way, though not pure in intent, but the waking demon cared nothing of such things. It drank and drank of a live that had not been pushed into its own destruction, but hurled itself over the edge and like some faux-Faustus it empowered the boy far beyond his years, beyond the thin blood that ran in his veins, but it bound him to drink only and ever from those who were about to end their own lives.
Well that's certainly something. It wasn't purely well intended, but that's a hell of a punishment for not grabbing a random person of the street and forcing them to commit suicide so that you can awaken your power.


. How the hell do you ethically feed from suicides?
As awful as it is he'd actually make a great asset to psychiatric hospitals. Whamps don't have to bring the hammer down on people, the issue is "just" that any feeding they do will enhance the medium they're working through.

If he sent out a sort of nimble pulse like that Malvora who did horror movies he could immediately identify at risk people who otherwise aren't showing signs. It'd suck to experience, but it's much better than successfully killing your self because you were better at concealing your pain than society was at noticing it.
  1. VEE would work to remove the flaw outright
  2. False Spring Beckon could supress it with repeated application
  3. A Splendour could technically allow him to feed the demon some other way
  4. Finally the most readily available one, exorcise the demon out of him, though of course you would loose out on recruiting a relatively powerful whampire.
Wouldn't this fit for MiS? He's basically got a spiritual mutation interfering with his feeding process, giving an advantage but also doing harm. Which is almost exactly the issue Bakemono have.

The more I look at this the more the problem feels like it fits that paradigm better than most of what we've done with the charm already.
 
Well that's certainly something. It wasn't purely well intended, but that's a hell of a punishment for not grabbing a random person of the street and forcing them to commit suicide so that you can awaken your power.



As awful as it is he'd actually make a great asset to psychiatric hospitals. Whamps don't have to bring the hammer down on people, the issue is "just" that any feeding they do will enhance the medium they're working through.

If he sent out a sort of nimble pulse like that Malvora who did horror movies he could immediately identify at risk people who otherwise aren't showing signs. It'd suck to experience, but it's much better than successfully killing your self because you were better at concealing your pain than society was at noticing it.

Wouldn't this fit for MiS? He's basically got a spiritual mutation interfering with his feeding process, giving an advantage but also doing harm. Which is almost exactly the issue Bakemono have.

The more I look at this the more the problem feels like it fits that paradigm better than most of what we've done with the charm already.

Unfortunately not, this is more on the level of a clan Curse in Vampire (the Venture one specifically). Mutt can feed just fine, he is limited in what subset of the population that feeding can come from.

Would feeding on people in Sanctuary who are going to be reborn work? Or does he feed on the intention of dying forever?

It would not work, they do not want to end, they want to change at most, death is a (pretty extreme) form of self-actualization on Sanctuary. The people seeking final death might work, but they probably would not consent to it, it is hard enough to make it through the evaluations without an emotional vampire draining your life force.
 
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Could we make it so Molly can feed him with kind words? Just saying if we want to recruit him it makes sense to add a hock.
Yes, but practically it would be personal Essence, kind words would be the medium. It does have to be some kind of actual energy at the end of the day.
Isn't infernal essence so corrupt that feeding on them makes pretty much everyone who tries sick? Would the splendor clear that up by default?
Ah, got it. Hmm, a one point splendor that transforms the energy of fire into the energy of suicide (because fire is inherently self-destructive and self-consuming) is an interesting option.
Given that restriction I think it'd be worth making it something more general in a different way. Make it 2 dots and add form of the hearth to create an AoE that transforms any X mundane energy within it into suicide juice palatable to skavis.

He's stuck drinking the stuff, but it's not like our regular despair eaters are incapable of using it. A single mess hall item is a more efficient build than handing them out one at a time.
 
Thought I'd take a shot at a splendor, went with a fascination since fruit work thematically and wood + ash is life and death which fits as well.

Form of Ash and Dust (1 pt. Form Element)
The Splendor takes the form of something that is evocative of death. It might be a funeral
garment, or an old bone, or decorated with skulls. It might be smeared with crematory ash. This Element defines the Splendor's physical form and gives it a character, and that character is
aligned with the power of death. Other Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor can be summoned directly into the Underworld when made to manifest, if its
owner desires. As the basis for an Adornment, it grants its user the ability to see and interact with
ghosts on the other side of the Shroud. As the basis for a Fascination, it can interact with both the
land of the living and the Underworld.
Form of Verdant Wood (1 pt. Form Element)
The Splendor takes the form of something that is vital, or lively, or green, or fecund, or, most
likely, something made of wood. It might even be a living plant. This Element defines the
Splendor's physical form and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the
elemental power of wood. Other Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor easily blends into natural surroundings when it would be useful for it to be hidden,
and immediately stands out when its owner is looking for it, or to those it wishes to attract. As an
Adornment, increases its user's Initiative modifier by two. As the basis for a Fascination, it may
generate the creator's choice of: fragrant scents; an area encompassing (Splendor's rating x 5)
yards in which animals and insects will not attack; enticing fruit, which may act as the focus for
a Root Element; or an aura of peace and tranquility.

Transformation (3 pt. Root Element)
The Splendor causes a transformation in accordance with its character, as defined by Form
Elements such as Form of Graceful Air. The nature of the transformation depends on the Form or
Forms in play, but might include transformation into things like a sparrow (air), pig (earth), a
living flame (fire), a fish (water), a stag (wood), a walking corpse (death), a semitranslucent
spirit (spirit), or a fantastic beast such as a sphinx (dreams). These are meant to be examples, and
not an all-inclusive list.
As an Adornment, this Splendor requires a point of Willpower and a turn spent in transformation
to either assume the characteristic form or return to the user's native form.
As part of a Fascination the maximum duration of the transformation (assuming it isn't cut short
earlier by fulfilling some criteria built into the Splendor) is one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one
week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.

Description:
At first glance this tree looks like an alien mix of a Cypress and the thunder trees of Sanctuary. It stands straight as a sword blade, always seeming just a little too tall to fit wherever it rests, with rough iron bark and strange pulsing fruits that never seem quite alike to any two observers.

A closer inspection quickly reveals it is not some eccentric sorcerer's attempt at gardening; the first sign being the ominous glow that occasionally flickers within the gnarled skirt of its roots. Where a knowledgeable eye would be alarmed to see its
roots borrowing into an unshielded nuclear reactor.

The Cypress tree is in truth a living act of transubstantiation, turning the physical division of matter turned against itself into the moment a mortal soul does the same.

Effects:
The Cypress must be summoned on a nuclear reactor to do anything, as the sympathy found between the decay of physical matter and the division of Hun from Po is necessary to bridge the gap between the physical and spiritual.

When summoned with a valid fuel source the cypress forms around it, cracking the casing and draining as much power as is necessary to leave it entirely depleted when it discorporates once more. This absorption doesn't allow for any significant leakage, as all radiation is consumed as quickly as it can be released.

While it is active, the tree produces nuts that contain the purest essence of suicide; the energy released when a mortal turns their free will to the task of ending their own life by any means necessary. Each nut must be used within a day of being picked or they will begin to decay into a hazardous dose of radiation.

Emotivores who consume them during that period absorb the energy as if feeding from a mortal. Any other creature that does so nauseated for the rest of the scene as they're subjected to the emotions within.

I'm making the assumption that if something happens while you're transformed it won't retroactively change things when it wears off. A vamp doesn't keep despair around any more than a human keeps pork around when the bacon they just ate turns into fat. So the transformation is more about the lifespan on the fruit than the use of it once eaten. Will change that if necessary.
 
How the hell do you ethically feed from suicides?

  1. VEE would work to remove the flaw outright
  2. False Spring Beckon could supress it with repeated application
  3. A Splendour could technically allow him to feed the demon some other way
  4. Finally the most readily available one, exorcise the demon out of him, though of course you would loose out on recruiting a relatively powerful whampire.
It would not work, they do not want to end, they want to change at most, death is a (pretty extreme) form of self-actualization on Sanctuary. The people seeking final death might work, but they probably would not consent to it, it is hard enough to make it through the evaluations without an emotional vampire draining your life force.

Question, assuming we could find enough willing volunteers (which as you've mentioned is unlikely as of the moment) how safe would feeding off those seeking final release from the Wheel be for both 'Mutt' and those departees' souls? Just wondering as to clarify the potential risks (at least as far as we currently know/theorise) before considering any investment in a Courts-based solution (eg. a public safety awareness campaign about Mutt's techniques to encourage volunteers).

Although now that I think about the logistics involved, it may be simpler to just make a splendour to provide a solution for Mutt's hunger, whether by satiating it or devesting it from him (probably should at least consult him on this matter to see what he'd prefer).
 
Sparks in Sin City​
12th of January 2007 A.D.
At least two high ranking Whampires working for two different bigger factions are either dead or missing.
Those two factions are actively pushing recruitment drives.
A single smaller faction has had its base suffer arson.

The Rampires started recently seen it necessary to push the homeless out of the tunnels and begin stockpiling weapons there.
Somethings been brewing even before we came here.

Dresden has influence with the Wyldfae, and with Silk. And presumably the cult of Ishtar will talk to a Council rep.
Molly has Demonic Primacy of Essence over Correy and any Reds
Lydia has an in with the cult of Ishtar due to her parentage.


What do you do next?
VOTE
[X] Check out one of the players involved?
-[X] The cult of Ishtar, they sound more like allies you would choose rather than just bear
[X] Try to recruit Mutt, you'll figure out how to deal with his Hunger's twisted nature somehow (He has the Supernatural Flaw: Obligated Feeding Target/Supernatural Background Generations 3 making him the equivalent of 10th generation rather than the 13th he should have started as)



RATIONALE
Correy and Silk have both come under attack.
We dont know if the Wyldfae or the Reds or the Ishtarites have. We need to talk to someone who can tell us, preferably without charging us for it.

Lets try the Ishtarites first, since they might be willing to talk for free to Harry Dresden(infamous White Council wizard with a Reputation) and Lydia(daughter of an old god).


Mutt is a soluble problem.
Molly has multiple options to deal with the problem: exorcism, Charms, splendors.
Or Lash probably could as well; 10 Freebie points will buy down most Flaws.

And this is one of those occasions where a Whampire with real world experience in the seedy underworld might help with Molly's growing collection of renegade Whites and ghouls.
Besides, Im curious about why this plot hook is being dangled.
 
Question, assuming we could find enough willing volunteers (which as you've mentioned is unlikely as of the moment) how safe would feeding off those seeking final release from the Wheel be for both 'Mutt' and those departees' souls? Just wondering as to clarify the potential risks (at least as far as we currently know/theorise) before considering any investment in a Courts-based solution (eg. a public safety awareness campaign about Mutt's techniques to encourage volunteers).

Although now that I think about the logistics involved, it may be simpler to just make a splendour to provide a solution for Mutt's hunger, whether by satiating it or devesting it from him (probably should at least consult him on this matter to see what he'd prefer).

Being fed on is unpleasant but also it costs life force, does emotional damage. The people seeking final death who do not presently have it are in the middle of psych evals by the Keepers to make sure they qualify. Being fed on in the course of that would make the candidates more erratic, less motivated and overall less motivated, more likely to be denied their wish. Keep in mind that the primary drive of the people who have access to the rites that grant final death is to make sure they never give it to anyone who would regret it since there is no taking that back.
 
@DragonParadox not right now obviously, but would it be possible to craft an item (Splendor?) that would allow Molly to once again wield Dresden Files style magic? Something to either melt motes of essence back down into the "thin denaturated soup of probability" that mortal magic uses, or else be able to selectively cut off the "path of least resistance between the magic she is trying to shape and the cosmic pump in her soul" so that her exaltation stops eating her magic?*

Especially since she's now seen an example of the Archive using magic to generate Essence so she at least can query the Crown about that process instead of running into the "Exaltation cannot look inside itself" issue.

side note: we really should get into the habit of wearing a few easily-replaceable accessories purely for use as disposable Crown foci

*edit: or as a third option, basically magical waldos that let her shape magic at one step remove
 
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For my part I'm not super comfortable with the idea of exorcising whamps while there's a possibility of other approaches.

It's not so much the power as it is the lifespan stuff; they're going from a minimum of a few millennia to several a maximum of a century.

I'm not willing to stand aside while they kill innocent people to fledge, but once they're past the barrier it's possible to handle their needs responsibly. Even this guy if we're going to be spending time in him anyway.
*edit: or as a third option, basically magical waldos that let her shape magic at one step
Isn't this basically what path magic is for our purposes?
 
Isn't this basically what path magic is for our purposes?
I was thinking along the lines of "technically this would let a mundane cast Dresden Files magic ... if they had senses to even see what the hell they were doing, and the Occult chops to not only shape magic like a trained wizard but also do so entirely manually instead of being able to do it partially by instinctive 'feel'"
 
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@DragonParadox not right now obviously, but would it be possible to craft an item (Splendor?) that would allow Molly to once again wield Dresden Files style magic? Something to either melt motes of essence back down into the "thin denaturated soup of probability" that mortal magic uses, or else be able to selectively cut off the "path of least resistance between the magic she is trying to shape and the cosmic pump in her soul" so that her exaltation stops eating her magic?*

Especially since she's now seen an example of the Archive using magic to generate Essence so she at least can query the Crown about that process instead of running into the "Exaltation cannot look inside itself" issue.

side note: we really should get into the habit of wearing a few easily-replaceable accessories purely for use as disposable Crown foci

*edit: or as a third option, basically magical waldos that let her shape magic at one step remove

To use magic at the cost of Essence? Interesting thought. On the one hand it would make you a worse wizard than an equivalent talent since Essence has to be spent in 1 mote packets, which is vastly overkill for any magic a beginner might use, but magic is very, very flexible once you get a grip on it. So I am going to say it is a path of research you guys can take, but you should be very certain you can deal with the XP expenditure, there is a considerably higher investment to get powerful effects, more than any single path.
 
the kind of person who can still be persuaded to step away from the edge, the kind of person whose salvation is the only reason the vampire before her is still here instead if having found his solace in the barrel on a 9mm.
Before I actually vote, am I correct to take this line to mean that Mutt doesn't actually like his nature? That he doesn't revel in feeding on those who seek their own death and in inflicting suffering on others?
 
Before I actually vote, am I correct to take this line to mean that Mutt doesn't actually like his nature? That he doesn't revel in feeding on those who seek their own death and in inflicting suffering on others?

Oh he positively despises his nature, his aura is all self-loathing and bitterness and he does his best to compensate for it in his own way by turning away people who are not 'too far gone' from the Penny.
 
For my part I'm not super comfortable with the idea of exorcising whamps while there's a possibility of other approaches.
Agreed. Just pointing out that it is an option.
But as far as I can tell, Mutt's Curse is the equivalent of the 2-pt Flaw Selective Digestion from 2nd Edition VTM, which is apparently analogous to the Ventrue clan curse
Selective Digestion: 2 pt Flaw
Vampire. Physical
WW2206

Synopsis: You can digest only certain types of blood.

System: You can choose whether you can drink only cold blood (the blood of a dead person), blood with the taste of fear (found in blood only in moments of terror), or blood with the taste of joy, or perhaps only certain types (A, O, etc.) of blood.
Notes: This Flaw may not be taken by Ventrue characters, since they already have something like it through their clan weakness.

Book Ref: Vampire Players Guide (2nd Edition Text Only), pg.#12
This should be entirely within Lash's capacity to remove, both mechanically and narratively; this isnt a White Court thing, or even a Skavis thing, just a chosen preference of this particular Hunger.
And as such it does not have the narrative weight of something like the loup garou curse, or even a wizard death curse.


Worst case, if Molly was going the splendor route, a 1-2 dot fascination in Porter's custody that takes the form of a fruit-bearing tree in the central courtyard of Last Station whose fruits that suspends that sort of curse for a week or a month?
Seems entirely feasible.

I would prefer to avoid it because of the greater political ramifications with the White Court though.
Because we did tell Lara that our influence over the Whampire Hunger is an innate power, not artifice.
 
Agreed. Just pointing out that it is an option.
But as far as I can tell, Mutt's Curse is the equivalent of the 2-pt Flaw Selective Digestion from 2nd Edition VTM, which is apparently analogous to the Ventrue clan curse
Selective Digestion: 2 pt Flaw
Vampire. Physical
WW2206

Synopsis: You can digest only certain types of blood.

System: You can choose whether you can drink only cold blood (the blood of a dead person), blood with the taste of fear (found in blood only in moments of terror), or blood with the taste of joy, or perhaps only certain types (A, O, etc.) of blood.
Notes: This Flaw may not be taken by Ventrue characters, since they already have something like it through their clan weakness.

Book Ref: Vampire Players Guide (2nd Edition Text Only), pg.#12
This should be entirely within Lash's capacity to remove, both mechanically and narratively; this isnt a White Court thing, or even a Skavis thing, just a chosen preference of this particular Hunger.

Oh yeah, Lash can definitely remove that.
 
Oh he positively despises his nature, his aura is all self-loathing and bitterness and he does his best to compensate for it in his own way by turning away people who are not 'too far gone' from the Penny.
Ok then, he, like everyone else, deserves a chance.

[X] Check out one of the players involved?
-[X] The cult of Ishtar, they sound more like allies you would choose rather than just bear
[X] Try to recruit Mutt, you'll figure out how to deal with his Hunger's twisted nature somehow (He has the Supernatural Flaw: Obligated Feeding Target/Supernatural Background Generations 3 making him the equivalent of 10th generation rather than the 13th he should have started as)
 
To use magic at the cost of Essence? Interesting thought. On the one hand it would make you a worse wizard than an equivalent talent since Essence has to be spent in 1 mote packets, which is vastly overkill for any magic a beginner might use, but magic is very, very flexible once you get a grip on it. So I am going to say it is a path of research you guys can take, but you should be very certain you can deal with the XP expenditure, there is a considerably higher investment to get powerful effects, more than any single path.
Honestly, I'm less interested in it as a path to power and more interested in reclaiming something the exaltation took from her.

At the other end of things, now that you mention it, I'd actually be less interested in "powerful effects" and more interested in a swiss army knife of flexible weak effects.

On the other other hand, I think it might actually make more sense for Molly to be good at "powerful" effects because she's shoving a shitton of magic into every spell ... and terrible at any kind of finesse because she has no choice but to shove a shitton of magic into every spell
 
Honestly, I'm less interested in it as a path to power and more interested in reclaiming something the exaltation took from her.

At the other end of things, now that you mention it, I'd actually be less interested in "powerful effects" and more interested in a swiss army knife of flexible weak effects.

On the other other hand, I think it might actually make more sense for Molly to be good at "powerful" effects because she's shoving a shitton of magic into every spell ... and terrible at any kind of finesse because she has no choice but to shove a shitton of magic into every spell

The thing is you would run into the 'putting ten gallons of fuel in a one gallon fuel tank' problem you have with the shih arts until you get your spheres up.
 
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