BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
@DragonParadox Was that entire talk Lash had with Mutt not long enough for us to get any essence regen?
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Oh right, thanks for reminding me, will add.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Agreed let's get it.
Oh also did we ever get around to giving Lydia that essence battery or do we need to do that as well as make her health potions?
[X] Lydia formally seeks entrance into the House of Ishtar for herself and her companions (Manipulation + Etiquette)
-[X] Use manipulation excellency
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Lydia's inexperience with this kind of thing means she kind of needs this imo, and if she faulters Molly is right there to back her up.
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Not particularly.
We know OOC that Whampires can learn to feed from different emotions than their original, and the QM has confirmed that we can bargain to have it be taught. Its just a matter of if its a priority for us.
Part of the reason I mentioned coming here was specifically because, and I quote:
Besides, you dont have to make grand elaborate deals for information.
Think of it this way: if Harry had to offer a service everytime he went to a Marcone or Raith front for information, he'd be so deep in hock he'd never have dug his way out.
Dude fucked up with Kemmler, but his prior history as both an independent god and a Winter vassal suggests steady competence, and a solid enough reputation in the supernatural that even when he was on the run from Mab, a lot of people were willing to offer tacit aid or a blind eye instead of trying to turn him in.
How would you tell if it has when you dont know who the other parent is?
Not to mention that divine heritage doesnt appear to work that way consistently in this setting; not like Hercules inherited his fathers way with lightning bolts, for example.
I do find it interesting that Lydia knows so little.
I cant imagine that Lydia hasnt asked, and the fact that she still doesnt know suggests that for some reason he isnt allowed to tell her directly, or that Arawn himself didnt know and chose not to pry.
Lash's body was built on a 5-dot arcana.
Most of the people in Molly's circles would get no benefit from ray guns either; only person here with even Firearms 1 is Harry, and he is resolutely old-fashioned in his preferences.
[X]Yog
Recent enough that it changing now would cause unwonted complications.
Not particularly.
We know OOC that Whampires can learn to feed from different emotions than their original, and the QM has confirmed that we can bargain to have it be taught. Its just a matter of if its a priority for us.
Offer? Why? We're here to talk to someone who might be willing to talk back.
Part of the reason I mentioned coming here was specifically because, and I quote:
With the other incidents that appear to have happened, everybody appears to be suffering at least some pressure.
Besides, you dont have to make grand elaborate deals for information.
Think of it this way: if Harry had to offer a service everytime he went to a Marcone or Raith front for information, he'd be so deep in hock he'd never have dug his way out.
At the very least, thats unfair to Arawn.
Dude fucked up with Kemmler, but his prior history as both an independent god and a Winter vassal suggests steady competence, and a solid enough reputation in the supernatural that even when he was on the run from Mab, a lot of people were willing to offer tacit aid or a blind eye instead of trying to turn him in.
How would you tell if it has when you dont know who the other parent is?
Not to mention that divine heritage doesnt appear to work that way consistently in this setting; not like Hercules inherited his fathers way with lightning bolts, for example.
I do find it interesting that Lydia knows so little.
I cant imagine that Lydia hasnt asked, and the fact that she still doesnt know suggests that for some reason he isnt allowed to tell her directly, or that Arawn himself didnt know and chose not to pry.
Lydia's runejacket and the jade talisman are both loot from the last couple of major fights they got into; the jacket was from Kattrin, and the ghost-jade talisman from the Will of Kakuri.
Lash's body was built on a 5-dot arcana.
Most of the people in Molly's circles would get no benefit from ray guns either; only person here with even Firearms 1 is Harry, and he is resolutely old-fashioned in his preferences.
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@DragonParadox Can Prodigies have Splendors attached to them? I was looking at the rules for them and nothing says they can't be but that's not the same as an endorsement but they seem to go together really well.
Prodigies are directly related to their function and can only be overtly Supernatural at high levels while Splendors are solidified sorcery attached to a vessel so it stands to reason that Prodigy as directly Enchanted objects could be used as vessels for solidified sorcery in a not dissimilar manner to Exalted Artifacts but that's more of a reading into the fluff rather than an actual stated phenomenon.
Prodigies are directly related to their function and can only be overtly Supernatural at high levels while Splendors are solidified sorcery attached to a vessel so it stands to reason that Prodigy as directly Enchanted objects could be used as vessels for solidified sorcery in a not dissimilar manner to Exalted Artifacts but that's more of a reading into the fluff rather than an actual stated phenomenon.
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In principle sure you could design a pair that synergizes, though it really depends what you want to make. Generally speaking lateral improvements are going to work a lot better than just making a prodigy do task A and then have a splendour do that task even better. As an example don't try to stack two kinds of magic to make the Sharpest Sword TM, but a splendour that adds some kind of synergy is fine.
Good night guys, update will be later tomorrow since I'll be traveling to get ready for New Years'.
There's only so far I'm willing to go to placate Lara. She can be a problem, but I'm not willing to completely forgo a real solution to this problem until she allows it.
We didn't lie, the situation changed - but not in a way that makes a difference compared to the other draws of working for us. I don't want to burn down a fragile and valuable peace, but if Lara wants to make something of this we know where she lives.
Learning new feeding styles is good, but it's not a replacement for new fledglings or special cases and it's really hard to do. A stable and ethical form of food is the holy grail for solving their problem.
Because we're going to ask for information and don't have a particular reason to believe it's related? It could be, but it's not like we can prove it.
Elaborate deals no, but Harry usually ended up paying one way or another anyway. Either in his ongoing tolerance of their presence, in solving their problems for them, or by some other means.
We aren't a long term local player whose actions they feel are mostly beneficial to them.
How's that saying go? Takes you most of a decade to get people to call you doctor, but fuck one goat and guess what you're going to hear about forever?
He's partially responsible for both world wars and the propagation of a viable necromantic ascension ritual. In exchange for which he abandoned all the people he lead into Winter's grasp and set off on the losing side of the world's most predictable manhunt.
Arawn earned it.
Fair on Lash, but the jacket wasn't even something we wanted. It's also from something like the third arc of the game. Harry is old fashioned because he has to be, I don't see him passing on a better weapon.
Respectfully, this appears to largely be a you problem.
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Molly Carpenter started out this quest investing around 8AP over six arcs in singlehandedly building out Last Station from its dilapidated origins to the currently status as an advanced magitech base and community living area.
She just bought Constructive Convergence of Principles at the beginning of Arc 10; in that time she has used it to build the 5-dot Arcana that formed the basis for Lash's body, then made Lily a protective 3-dot Splendor to fuck over Nemesis, and she is still going to make some for Ivy's agents to help with their job regarding the Oblivion War.
And she is still building Porter an armored train chassis in the next couple of months.
The assertion that we dont leverage is just flatout untrue.
We do more than our fair share of making shit. The argument that we should spend even more time on it is, at best, one that is being based on dubious premises.
Corrupt politicians? Corrupt police? Housing issues?
None of this has ever been a significant element of the Dresdenverse or World of Darkness metaplot, and I fail to see why you expect it to be so now in an urban fantasy quest.
Nor I fail to see any reason why we would find it entertaining; this isnt a society builder.
And frankly if I was the QM, I would prefer to avoid shit adjacent to RL politics in a fantasy quest.
Real change in people's lives?
In the last six months, Molly has
- Put Mab's primary necromancy agent back into operation,
- Directly and indirectly caused the death of multiple Thule Society assets, including two board members
- Prevented a plot aimed at the death of a Senior Council member
- Removed a major agent of the Daimyo of the Dark
- Put a stop to a prospective genocidal campaign against human talents
- Removed Nemesis influence from both Fae Courts
Or the millions in Sanctuary that are currently under the coverage of MiS.
The argument that "she's not doing real change" is on its own face untrue.
We arent rash enough to get stuck into something without any idea of handling the aftermath.
While the Whampire influence peddling is run by the White Court, most of what it is is mundane crime which we can do fuckall about. So we identify and we watch.
Its a naagloshii.
Its not the worst thing we're going to have to deal with, by a longshot.
If nothing else, it doesnt want to burn Creation down.
I dont think I agree with this characterization, but Im willing to table this discussion until sometime when its actually relevant.
Molly is rolling Perception 3 + Empathy 5 + Empathy Excellency + All Things Betray.
And thats not counting whatever the other members of our warparty might be throwing into the kitty.
We are walking out of that scene with a lot more information than we come in with, one way or the other.
Nope, I do not agree. Thats generally never been how Dresden worked.
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1) The Mesopotamian Pantheon almost certainly spent their own time on the Outer Gates backing up the Fae, and thats assuming that Ishtar herself isnt simply an old mask of Aphrodite.
Outsider/Outsider agent activity in her vicinity is very much not in her interests or that of her goddess.
2) We're a heavy hitter of some recent and growing infamy.
The Cult of Ishtar's second in command was a Whampire and will thus have been aware of some of the details of the White Court purge and conveyed such to his boss. I guarantee the head will recognize us from that, if nothing else.
I dont expect her to endanger herself or her Cult's interests, but I do expect her to be decently cooperative.
The rest is why we have social Excellencies for talking to mortals.
Lol.
That said, no, thats ascribing him too much credit/blame. The Dresdenverse World Wars are the result of allegedly around a hundred and fifty years worth of schemes and plots on the part of Kemmler and his allies. Killing Kemmler when he ran into him might have mitigated events, but at that point I dont see his death stopping events.
You might as well blame the White Council for not getting it done.
Also worth remembering that the White Council had already killed Kemmler at least once by that point; they had to kill him six more times in canon before they could be sure it took. Arawn would have had a much better chance of final deathing him(at least Kemmler thought so), but given some of the deals Kemmler made, it may not have been a sure thing even then.
We still gave it up. It could have been a reagent, or traded for something else.
Her drop rate has objectively been pretty good actually.This is only the 11th arc of this quest since she showed up, and Lydia has received the jacket, which probably counts as a 2-dot, then the jade talisman, which is also a 2-dot. Thats averaging a significant magical drop every five arcs or so since she became an associate.
And thats despite Molly only getting Exalted Crafting at the start of Arc 10.
Carlos is only about ten years his junior, and carries a Glock without issue.
So did the Wardens Yoshimo and Kowalski in Dead Beat. Luccio appears to be using a semiauto in Turn Coat, the same one that Morgan used to kill Peabody. It doesnt appear to be an issue for them.
In this case, it appears to be a preference thing not a necessity thing . Can be hard to tell with Harry.
Furthermore, you need to remember that Dresden doesnt carry a gun as his primary damage dealing device, so maximum damage is not something he wants in a sidepiece. And given his occasional brushes with the law inside and outside Chicago, he has additional reason to stick to recognizable, 2nd Amendment-approved firearms.
Worth noting on this one that as the result of Lara's deal with us she's effectively rested a cornerstone of her reign on a nonaggression pact/dubious arrangement of some sort with us. We ate a (tiny) outer knight in her backyard and everything.
As a result all Ordo talents have diplomatic immunity from whamps on pain of immediately political instability if it looks like we're fighting with her even if we couldn't bust into her home and kill her like the Naagoloshi almost did in canon. Lara will execute violators for us if she has to. Which is a property which will carry over to the Paranet when for at least the early days.
That's a very significant piece of background protection for them, since whamps are the big game in town for the areas we'll be starting in.
You're the one suggesting she'll take issue with us building a solution to the skavis dietary problem. Either she does or she doesn't, and this one one of those places I'm willing to tell her to take a hike over; it's too important to too many people.
There's only so much we can learn that way, and Sandra's location isn't likely to be in the set of things we can read from body language.
It's exactly how he works, he just doesn't look at it that way.
Take Marcone as an example; they outright discuss how Harry would come for him if there weren't bigger fish to fry, and Marcone would kill him for trying if it weren't for the fact that Harry protecting Chicago is very useful for his business.
Harry is so helpful by accident that a number of people spent years thinking he was a hitman for the mob. That's the game they play; Harry grumbles and threatens, but ultimately does nothing because he's got worse things to deal with than a human criminal who coincidentally helps him when things get bad.
Marcone puts up with Harry occasionally making a mess in his living room because he's created a safe space for a mortal to grow, and if anything screwy goes down he can point a wizard at his new enemy by giving him information.
They play it tough, but functionally it's still the favor economy at work.
1) the Archive still charged for things that added additional risk to her day, don't see why this would be different.
2) All the more reason to do something that uses the opportunity. Social excellency isn't bulletproof either, especially if there's magic involved.
His encounter happened while Kemmler was still doing that stuff, and one of the consequences of letting a wizard tier necromancer go is that they're going to get go to some shit. The fact that Khemmler could legitimately make a divine mantle of death should have been a red flag.
It's like a border guard taking a bribe just this once even though he knows the people involved are bad news and transporting nuclear material, because there probably can't be that much of it and they'll probably kill themselves playing with it. Then later those guys manage to build a few strategic nukes and set them off in Berlin and Paris.
He knew it was dangerous, that it would get people worse than killed, and should have known the guy forging a new mantle for him was into some more than making skeletons dance in his basement. Arawn didn't expect the severity of the consequences , but he knew or should have known there'd be some.
As a reminder:
Set aside the 'mundane' horrors of industrial warfare if you like, how many people going through the above and worse was freedom he couldn't keep worth?
Ishtar, Hades, Odin, Thor, and dozens of other gods found a place for themselves in canon without making bad deals and then breaking them to catastrophic effect.
So yeah, Arawn has to put on his goatherd's booty call brand t-shirts for a while.
There are a lot of things that would take an hour IC to do, and so far we've sold more stuff than we've used on our circle or character. They're also doing a lot of work for us essentially free or at their expense.
Lydia earned that talisman when she showed up to fight Kakuri for us, took up two combat debts to Odin with Molly to pay for mercs, helped with the pathfinders where we took all the good loot, and so on.
Harry did a lot for those occasions as well, in addition to support with the council, access to Bob and his path training, and so on. Lash is still a good point, but she's here right now isn't she?
To a large extent this is the result of friends helping each other and we don't need to track every debt obsessively. That said, we do tend to drag them into a lot of trouble and rely on their willingness to drop everything to help frequently. I don't think some better gear that will ultimately also help them help us anyway is an out of line.
As to Harry's issues; he's specifically noted to have an unusually strong tech bane, with speculation that it's something about his power relative to his control or some sort of inner turmoil driving it. He uses older guns because he can't use better ones reliably.
There's a reason he carries a gun in the first place though. It does at least something to most creatures and doesn't tax his magical stamina.
The electro lasers are flat upgraded because they're fire tier Agg while having longer range, more ammunition, and aim assist. Especially for Harry, since semiautomatic weapons are too advanced to be relied on if he carries them all day.
Getting the demon inside to only fire when he's holding it should be trivial given what else it can do. If the cops ask it's a prop. Harry isn't completely stupid, he could make it work. At the very least he's no more of a risk than having literally anyone else use it, and not using them at all is wasteful.
We know several things:
1) Lydia's mother is not Arawn's canon wife, who he loved, and who was a part of his kingdom, which he also loved, and which he was a beloved ruler of. Something happened there
2) Lydia's mother is somehow connected to Egypt
3) Lydia's powers are not just Arawn's inheritance. She's connected to death in general, empowered by it. This might be due to solely Kemmler's legacy, but we can't be sure of that
If Lydia's mother is, for example, Nephtys, i.e. another death god, it would actually make total sense from the perspective of trying to make someone who is empowered by concept of death in general.
That would be leadership excellency. Molly doesn't get access to attribute excellencies.
Inherently you are correct it was an expressed opinion by me. As well you are correct with the crafting it doesn't feel like it because we didn't use it for ourselves or our immediate circle but yeah we've been we've been hitting it pretty consistently. No let's go over that list two of those are directly helping Court Fae which range from untrustworthy beings that you wouldn't want to leave alone with anyone you care about to outright evil like Mab and Leahansinide lesser evils Than The Outsiders true but evil nonetheless.
Mages which to be frank have reasons why they don't interfere with General non-mage stuff. Finally killing the Will of Kakuri is directly helpful to every lesser Jade and every other Yama king who presses on his territory.
Then we get to the White Court again with their nonsense a lesser faction of them start a purge against magic users already a terrible idea but we know it happened. So we use our Crown and find out there's a large amount of influence pedaling and actual human trafficking going on.
Then we make a deal with Lara instead of telling Lara hey maybe pull out your influence from any illegal operations for the next couple of centuries that would be grand so you can watch the Power of pretty much the entire rest of the Court diminish while yours and house Raith keeps Rising and then doing everything in our power to rip them from root and stem out of those things because guess what the ability to affect basic crime is just the ability to know when and where to strike and we have that ability to undiminishable point.
There is just no way that the White Court vampires are the ones on the ground running these operations. They're the supernaturally intimidating ones that keep the witnesses silent that keep the police from investigating. The supernaturally misery inducing that keeps the victims from speaking out later. The white courts presence in those areas inherently exacerbates the issues that already plague Humanity with human trafficking and general corruption of Institution.
The Naagloshii is a Divine teacher who has completely forsaken his role. There is no possible consequence to his death because his very presence on this Earth is a Defiance of his role which can be filled by any number of deities or spirits that might want to take his place. An obligate kidnapper torturer and sadistic murderer allowed to escape our presence twice I don't know what else to say that just is what happened there is no consequence to that being's existence it sustains its power on Stolen might that it's eaten from Wizards that might be actually defending the world itself. The fact that it got away is mind boggling.
At last the Oblivion War I'm going to be completely honest here is horseshit there is no ability to affect the outcome of the Oblivion War. At least on this side of the gate you can make the ease of Defending greater but there is no ability to make these war end on this side. The only way to be able to make the war end is to either find some way to slam shut the gates or be able to walk outside and tell them to sit the fuck down and stop trying to come in if the first one was possible the hundreds of Gods on earth and the fucking actual capital G God would have done it and the second one is completely untenable for any deity or near Divinity to attempt because without a shaping defense you would slowly or very fast depending on your power mutate or possibly unravel entirely.
You're not wrong about the white court's behavior making things worse, but the idea that we could just snap our fingers and fix it is about as absurd as the idea that buddy cop movie tactics would solve the fentanyl crisis.
Lara isn't a god queen and there's only so far her people can be pushed before the organization shatters, leaving behind countless independent monsters in the gap. If they were all that we needed to deal with doing so properly would still be a slog, and we have more than that on our plate.
We've made a good start, but there's no reasonable way we could actually make any more progress than we did in a lasting way.
Did you read the thread around then? There were good reasons for this, including but not limited to trading an unknown number of innocent lives away just to make the attempt.
"Just outfox a guy who lives on treachery and thinks Molly literally has a fetish for the same" isn't a small ask.
Here's what I think would have happened if we did it your way:
1) An unknown but large number of innocent people would die horribly because Broken Seeker knows it's a lever to use against us.
2) It would not have worked because he'd have seen it coming and had an exit strategy. Could he have beat us in a fight at the time? Depends on the details. But get away? That he should be very good at.
3) It'd harm our ability to interact with the supernatural because most of them are predatory and do not give a shit about our moral affront. Which is the difference between having Odin around when we needed mercenaries and not, between making deals that protect the Ordo and not, between the white council being able to trust our word and not. Breaking your word always screws you in the end in the DF, don't give it if you don't mean it.
Pretty much all of us want him dead, he lived because he outplayed us before we even talked to him for the first time and there was only so far we could wriggle out of that in the time we had. If so much other stuff wasn't going on I'd have voted to hunt him down and kill him before he knows we're around.
Some things don't have a permanent saved for the rest of time fix. It's work you can get better at, but always have to put in.
We've helped, and can potentially dominate this war beyond what anyone has done before. Those aren't without value simply because they aren't immediate simple fixes.
You're acting like we just ignored obvious simple ways to make things better. It'd be stupid to claim we haven't made any mistakes, but the reason has typically been that what you're proposing would fail and have nasty consequences in that failure.
It's your prerogative to disagree, but our actions to date aren't mind bogglingly stupid.
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I'd say shatterimg the WC as an organisation is definitly a step in the right direction, eigher by killing the Raiths or forcing Lara to push too far.
I will admit we can't just snap our fingers and solve those issues with the white Court but we are essentially two questions away from the problem person at any given scene once we got that net from that Crown question about the network. The ability to find and destroy individual actors became instant I guess I would say.
Through knowing that net we can find out when a shipment or event is going on depending on if it's an influence peddling or blackmail thing or human trafficking types situation. Use a question who is the White Court agent behind this on the scene. Get them then use the another question where is the White Court vampire behind this on that person. Suddenly this human trafficking or influence pedaling ring is immediately lacking Supernatural backing which makes them not easy pickings but suddenly not impossible pickings for regular law enforcement.
To be honest in my opinion the White Court presence in those areas is a symptom of a larger problem but they make the symptoms untreatable by their very presence the supernatural abilities they can leverage against pretty much everyone involved means no one gets caught people don't get saved politicians get to just go to the island with no consequence you get me.
On the predatory Supernaturals front. I do not believe that it would actually damage our relations I think that was fear-mongering but most if not all predatory Supernaturals would realize exactly what happened old Predator messes with younger predator bites off more than they can chew they die it's a tale as old as predator and prey to be honest. If they saw it as more than that they could also see it as this person dealt an insult to us so they had to go which they will also understand even if we did it considerably faster than any Fey or God would get back at an individual who wronged them.
To be honest letting that old God go isn't really about moral affront though to be frank it's nature and its actions do warrant it's immediate murder By any power who could do it it's the fact that it shows to mess with us and then we let it get away and there's the thing we definitely let it get away even if we did work with it to kill Ariana even if it had hostages the second we could have got it alone and it walked away we messed up because those people that it's still definitely has captured that it's torturing on a day-to-day basis after it's encounter with us on that plane definitely definitely feel the sting of our lack of action.
On the Oblivion warfront you're right I just really dislike the whole storyline with the Oblivion War. It's in terrible justification of the behavior of winter and the nobility there in as well as just a storyline that has two endings you succeed for now the end of the world is put off another day or you fail in the world ends it's a really binary story and considering that God capital G is on this side of the gate and it's his reality we know the story is not going to end until Mortals and I expect way more than any single one choose to end it. So it feels futile/wasteful to further pile on to a successful defense.
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That depends on a lot of different things. I view it like the difference between having a sword lodged in your gut and being riddled with shrapnel.
The white court as an organization is self evidently a bad actor that at minimum facilitates awful crimes. That doesn't mean that blowing it up solves the problem so that we can ride off over the horizon to the next problem. Almost all the monsters doing the work are still there; you just killed some of their bosses, leaving them with no rules to follow but their own.
We weren't in a position to shatter them and deal with the shrapnel at the time, and aren't really in one to do so now. Trying before we can ensure that is like starting a surgery and leaving halfway through to get lunch.
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Individual monsters, particularly low-end Whamps, the weakest of vampires, are a lot more vulnerable to mortals than the White Court as an organisation is.
People like Murphy's troop or the Vegas squad we heard about can take those out if they are caught up with some serious crime.
And organisations like the Ordo Lebes can also deal with minor predators like that, or they should be able to do so at least.
To extend the metaphor, we don't have to catch all the shrapnel, the body of society is moderatly armored and while that can't stop a sword, it can deal with splinters.
Hunting down common Whampires would be far below our paygrade anyway.
Let me add a little context to my last post I don't think doing that would be even like partially undoing the white courts power. It would just be eliminating there overt movements of hurting people. To clarify the houses of the White Court are like going on 3000 years old at this point if they were born before Rome.
House Skavis, House Raith, house melvora all of them unbroken Family Lines since that time. They have the wealth to not do this they can just not be a part of that they're choosing to do that. The Power House Raith has is almost certainly all soft power that doesn't really rely on crime because they're succubus and Incubus why do they need human trafficking rings, they don't they pedal influence through blackmail and in general gold digger Behavior.
To be frank there's nothing that can be done about that the immense wealth of the White Court is exactly that wealth in land, resources and everything else the fact they are choosing to indulge in these things means they are placing their hunger above human lives their greed has allowed them to be put in a position that they can be connected to crimes that should and will get them thrown in prison if those connections come to light. To be frank Lara should be glad to be rid of them.
House Skavis, House Raith, house melvora all of them unbroken Family Lines since that time. They have the wealth to not do this they can just not be a part of that they're choosing to do that. The Power House Raith has is almost certainly all soft power that doesn't really rely on crime because they're succubus and Incubus why do they need human trafficking rings, they don't they pedal influence through blackmail and in general gold digger Behavior.
To be frank there's nothing that can be done about that the immense wealth of the White Court is exactly that wealth in land, resources and everything else the fact they are choosing to indulge in these things means they are placing their hunger above human lives their greed has allowed them to be put in a position that they can be connected to crimes that should and will get them thrown in prison if those connections come to light. To be frank Lara should be glad to be rid of them.
This runs into a few problems:
1) This requires a lot of time to do. A lot of different problems can be solved this way, but we have to pick which ones get attention and which ones are left behind.
2) The world isn't static, if we strangle the white court then bad actors will also take advantage. This doesn't mean we should give up, just that we can't kill our way through big problems, at best it's step one in a much more involved effort to manage the issue. Something that limits how much we can bite off at a time.
3) By making this entirely adversarial and in general being an inscrutable murder hobo we'd turn this into total war, functionally performing an ethnic cleansing. We keep killing, they keep running, and other predators circle the corpse. Not like many would be willing to stop and talk to us once it got going.
You could try to claim it isn't one, just a lot of little actions that together happen to look like one, but that line has been used a thousand times and has always been bullshit. Intent nothing, the consequences are the same.
You're getting all up in arms on this but I can't help but think that in any simulation of reality more accurate than a marvel comic your proposed solutions are not only ineffective, they're actively heinous entirely by accident.
The supernatural world is composed of entities as alien to each other as they are to humanity. Their social mores exist where they've been pounded into their heads by millennia of nonsense. Don't make a promise and then break it, they don't give a damn about checking your reasoning because half the time it doesn't make sense to them anyway.
I'm game to kill him at the first opportunity, but at no point in our interaction was he vulnerable or outside of this type of agreement .