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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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We do. Lydia doesn't. Lydia has some animal ken and ghost related social DC adjusters, but in general she doesn't get access to DC adjustments natively. And I am buying Regal Bearing for socials, especially with ghosts.
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She gets some more social too, and perception I think.
Would have to llook it up, at work now.
The Self Confidence merit synergises much better with dice adders than difficulty reducers, but dice adders are a lot more commonly used for most Exalts.
Random side note, but that merit also synergises extremely well with things that improve the effect of spending Willpower. I don't know how many of those there are out there. There's one Wan Kuei discipline power that allows you to increase the number of successes that spending Willpower on a roll gives, but not sure of anything that would be accessible to her.
Random side note, but that merit also synergises extremely well with things that improve the effect of spending Willpower. I don't know how many of those there are out there. There's one Wan Kuei discipline power that allows you to increase the number of successes that spending Willpower on a roll gives, but not sure of anything that would be accessible to her.
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Spending Willpower is you pushing beyond your normal limits intentionally IIRC.
You cant spend Willpower on Soak. Or on Willpower rolls. Or on reflexive rolls to detect potential danger. O the Wits+Occult roll to use countermagic. Or the Abilities roll to buff magic use. And so on.
You need to actively declare WP expenditure before you make a roll; it doesnt just fire off automatically.
The Merit isnt designed to give you free successes as you said; it appears to be designed to give you a Willpower refund on occasions when you attempt to use WP, declare its use and succeed in the roll. This is especially valuable to Mages, who can spend multiple points of WP on extended magic rolls. Or on Sorcerers, many of whom need to spend WP to use a Path.
Neither of them had easy access to WP recovery, the way Exalted did in Exalted 2E.
Its partly why the previous vote had Molly spend 1WP on that roll against Titania.
You can still fail the roll, but you cant botch.
If thats why you're buying it, I'd say thats probably not a good way to spend that Freebie Point.
My two cents.
We cant.
Spending Willpower is you pushing beyond your normal limits intentionally IIRC.
You cant spend Willpower on Soak. Or on Willpower rolls. Or on reflexive rolls to detect potential danger. O the Wits+Occult roll to use countermagic. Or the Abilities roll to buff magic use. And so on.
You need to actively declare WP expenditure before you make a roll; it doesnt just fire off automatically.
The Merit isnt designed to give you free successes as you said; it appears to be designed to give you a Willpower refund on occasions when you attempt to use WP, declare its use and succeed in the roll. This is especially valuable to Mages, who can spend multiple points of WP on extended magic rolls. Or on Sorcerers, many of whom need to spend WP to use a Path.
Neither of them had easy access to WP recovery, the way Exalted did in Exalted 2E.
That has always been the case.
Its partly why the previous vote had Molly spend 1WP on that roll against Titania.
Yes, that has always been my presumption; any roll where you get at least 1 success, you cant botch.
You can still fail the roll, but you cant botch.
How many times has she led ghosts in in the last seven months?
If thats why you're buying it, I'd say thats probably not a good way to spend that Freebie Point.
My two cents.
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Citation needed. It's not in the rules. I even quoted all the rule variants from all the major 20th anniversary books for you. And we got a ruling already:
So, no soak, and no willpower rolls. Everything else is fair game. You are inventing restrictions where they don't exist.
I went with Regal Bearing. It looked more in-character, and it's more broadly applicable.
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I think better healing is thd better option, even if ig is not so quick to be combat-relevant.
Healing all Lethal damage in a few hours instead of days or at worst weeks is good stuff. Healing completly from loosing 13 levels of bashing in an hour is great.
Either will surprise people trying to capture rather than kill her, which will happen sooner of later.
She's just so interesting, as Kemmler's work or Arawn's.
For Molly people can find out that something ancient and nearly or completly impossible to copy is empowering her, but Lydia is new and much more likely to be repeatable.
I think better healing is thd better option, even if ig is not so quick to be combat-relevant.
Healing all Lethal damage in a few hours instead of days or at worst weeks is good stuff. Healing completly from loosing 13 levels of bashing in an hour is great.
Either will surprise people trying to capture rather than kill her, which will happen sooner of later.
She's just so interesting, as Kemmler's work or Arawn's.
For Molly people can find out that something ancient and nearly or completly impossible to copy is empowering her, but Lydia is new and much more likely to be repeatable.
I quote:
Its not designed to be something constantly in use,M20 pg 330 said:
Thats not exhaustive.
Have you ever seen Willpower spent on a combat Initiative roll?
Just for a quick look:
M20 page 536M20 pg 436 said:
White Wolf is just typically shit at putting all its rules in one place.
Or even naming them, sometimes.
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Assuming we even know at all, since contact and access aren't assured even if we aren't in the middle of a fight. When doing that job for Odin we were out of contact for significant periods of time. Even if we did there are places Lash could go that would be hard for us to get to, certainly taking longer than Lydia would have.
There's also all the things that level of distraction could be used to facilitate, and the times it could spoke the wheel while we're doing something dangerous.
I'm not trying to suggest this is inevitable, just point out that demonic pacts aren't safe routes to free power and the risk is considerable even when you have powerful friends.
I mean, she probably made similar arguments to herself about corpse taker. Lydia has some significant power over the dead, and her father was literally a god of dealing with their shit. Surely a spirit wouldn't be stupid enough to stab her in the back, and if they did she could fight them off or get help from her dad once they found each other again. And really, they seem so friendly so what are the odds they'd even want to?
Which is how Lydia, exigent of death, got possessed by a ghost.
She is starting to show a pattern of making risky deals for power, and on that basis alone I'd say she need common sense instead of more confidence.
Also, that's not how free will works here. Lydia made a deal, and while Heaven would probably try to help because of her connections to the knights they aren't going to red card Lash for enforcing the terms. They certainly don't for Akuma, Denarian cultists, or people who accept fry deals.
Not how pacts work; there isn't an enforcement mechanism for either party beyond the force they can exert. Which is why Lydia was threatening her when Michael showed up.
If any such promise was made it's no harder to break than any mundane one.
Also, intelligence as a stat in WoD and Exalted doesn't implicitly do that. You can have it sky high and still make bad decisions on a strategic level.
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Essentially this.
In the four major engagements that Lydia has gotten involved in, one of them took her off the board for an extended period of time(the one against the Will of Kakuri) because she took damage she couldnt heal quickly, even after the fight was over.
This has implications for plot where we have multiple combat encounters in a day.
Molly can sit and recover in half an hour or so, and has a healing charm she can buy. Lydia cant.
Bringing her closer to that level of resilience should be a priority.
Furthermore, Lydia has a charm for stopping people from dying which benefits from this Merit:
It can be, and it has IC justification, of just going beyond what's possible on a permanent basis as an exalt.
You are inventing issues where there are none because you prefer your option.
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V20 calls attack-rolls as a possible exception to spending WP.
And in W20 you cannot use it for using gifts. So far @DragonParadox said, as I understand it "no soak, and no willpower rolls", but everything else is fair play, I believe.
As a general rule if it is something your character actively does even if it is reflexive as opposed to something that happens to them as a result of a roll someone else makes you can use willpower. At the moment all I can think of is willpower and soak that does not fit, but there probably are other things as well.
Literal M20 cite:
Thats how Willpower is.M20 pg 330 said:
You arent supposed to run it all the time. You cant. Thats why calling for Willpower is something you specifically have to do over and beyond your normal rolls.
Even your chosen Merit is explicit about this.
It says WHEN you spend Willpower to get an automatic success.M20 Book of Secrets pg 46 said:
It doesnt say you automatically spend Willpower. It most definitely does not imply you can or should spend Willpower on everything. It gives you a discount on Willpower spending when you spend Willpower; thats what it does.
You are wrong about how it works.
And just FYI?
I dont really appreciate being told, after going to the trouble of cracking books open to look for the citations you requested, that Im making shit up.
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The vote is quite close so I am going to give it the full 24 hours
I looked at the same text you did. Quoted it, even, in one of the posts on the last page. I even went and compared all the rules in all 20th anniversary major rulebooks, and in Exalted 2nd edition. Normally, yes, you wouldn't use it for everything, but that's what this very expensive merit is for. So you essentially have so strong a willpower that it stops being a limited resource in most cases, and you can use it like that. You are just that self-confident. Just that certain in yourself. Have that much faith in your abilities. You have high WP. In case of Lydia, WP10, as much as possible. Normal effort of will to push beyond your limits just doesn't tire you out. This is what this whole merit is for. It makes sense.
Very true. I think this merit makes perfect narrative sense for what it does. It is a qualitative change, where you have so much willpower, so much confidence in yourself and so much ability to master yourself, that you can just keep going. Hard situations don't wear you down mostly. And that gives you one more success, improves what you do. Not always, if you fail, you still have to push even beyond your own limits. But for just doing something better? That you can do with effortless grace of one of the exalted.
For Olivia I still say that the first step to power should be tracking her divine ancestor and having him strengthen her bloodline and unlock her power.
Also, we should consider if/when we get VEE, what can / should we grant Lydia.
@BronzeTongue is the demon the Fallen wiki incorrect because it says that breaking the terms of a pact on the demons end will cause The Pact to fail and my bad not just intelligence, intelligence plus law or academics if you need a basic history of entering contract with people you don't trust so you add a bunch of don't fuck me clauses. Let's not assume our main Circle mate and person with a God who made contract with another incarna is incapable of maneuvering a basic contract.
Well, she does have a flaw
And it is a faith-based magic. Still, Lash should know that if she screws with Lydia, our vengeance would be a terrible thing indeed.