Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of

Let them find us if they are that good.
I have no issue with that, not like they could cause real trouble, worst case a little talk with the management will settle things.
 
There's no guarantee Mab will agree to trade him for curing Lea.
But there's a reason we have been very careful about limiting the pool of people who know just how comprehensive Molly's information-gathering capability is.
You say that like there's any consensus to get in the first place. I wouldn't trade a bent penny for him.

Molly's urge is curiosity, but she doesn't have to go about it in the most wasteful way possible.

No the AP spent on a degree is wasted AP, it does nothing for Molly save cost AP for nothing. Degree's means nothing in all fields compared to proven results, a self made billionaire is instantly invited into the the higher levels of powers because they have proven themselves.

If colleges could train people to be really successful and powerful, every single graduates would be. Same principle as a gold rush the person that gets really rich does not mine for gold, they sell shovels to the masses. Molly will get more from a 5 minutes phone conversations to seal a major company deal then all of university would ever do.

Degrees only prove you can take a test. Hell today a lot of companies are rejecting people because the have degrees, the companies can get better more capable workers by just training fresh out of high-school students then colleges could ever do.
Again, missing the point. To get access to the people and organizations we want we need a mechanism to access them. A prestigious college provides that access. You seem to be treating this like a pride thing, but doing things in a deliberately more difficult way is just dumb.

I don't agree with your opinions on education, but that's not really relevant either way.

She absolutely is. She's not above calling in a hit on someone such as a millennia year old monster who hunts humanity.
We don't need to, corpses are fine even if the distance added is effectively artificial.
 
[X] Cover your tracks, even if it means bricking any machines that might reveal details about the hack
 
Her opinion of her court officer's power and importance isn't exactly objective.
It's also worth noting that power and biggatons aren't the same. The average senator for example has a decent amount of power, but they're also probably not going to win a fist fight.

The point of the knights is to loophole some of the fey's restrictions using mortal free will. That's the primary reason they exist, and why a wizard's ability to turn the mantle into something more was worth so much of Mab's time.
1)We arent relying on her opinion; Mab predicted much the same thing when she hired Dresden to prove Winter had nothing to do with it. We saw both Courts go to war in Summer Knight, so we know that Aurora was telling the truth broadly, whether or not some of the details were untrue.


2) Thats RL.
The Dresdenverse appears to hew to the Authority Equals Asskicking school of things. We've literally never seen anyone in power without the ability to throw down bigtime.


3)Thats apparently only part of their function.

We only begin to see some of the other functions that Knights have in the really later books, like in Cold Days where Dresden is told to kill Maeve and we find out that Knights can remove their Queens, or in Battle Grounds where he pops a Banner and becomes a field commander.

And as far as Im aware, Dresden's ability as a wizard doesnt appear to be a major consideration for Mab thus far.
Not as Knight.
Fix wasnt a magic user before becoming Summer Knight, but he apparently is as of Cold Days.

And one of the alternatives she mentioned to Dresden was his brother Thomas, who isnt exactly a major spellcaster.


I don't think there's anything that can farm Elder Vampires.
Even if you are stronger than any Elder to the point of beating them in any combat or mindgame 99 out of a hundred times, you can't afford deliberately creating them, because that one time is enough to see you dead or locked up wherever the Red Court is keeping the Aztec gods.
Depends on who is doing it and where.
If you owe a Fae a debt, they already have you by the gonads. If, in addition to that, you're in the NeverNever, you're come conveniently pre-fucked. Especially since they know your weaknesses.

I mean, when we're saying Elder, we're talking Arianna's senior entourage here. Not a Lord of Outer Night.
Eldest Fetch would have managed just fine.


She absolutely is. She's not above calling in a hit on someone such as a millennia year old monster who hunts humanity.
Disagree.

She is willing and has no problem killing people she thinks warrant killing. Or salvaging stuff off the battlefield.
Thats quite a different thing from putting out an order for twelve vampire livers, gently used.
Or, even more fucked up, having them delivered, trussed up and fresh, so she can render them down for reagents.

I'd be queasy about that, and I've seen the remains of a young man's cranium after it took gunfire at short range.
Yeah, this isn't happening, and the only answer to stop this 100% is suicide.
Nobody is asking for a 100% guarantee.
What Im cautioning about is the idea that we should be handing out these things willy-nilly; the more you proliferate them, the more we are risking unforeseen consequences.

Especially with something thats explicitly malleable for those with the knowledge and power.
Of whom I can think of a couple.
How are you defining fae and fae restrictions? And knights are special cases, we know that. If I recall correctly, Dresden still suffers from techbane. Molly the Winter Lady can use a cellphone.
Bob used to be Winter Court. Iron is not a vulnerability for him.
Odin wears chain mail as Kringle and is drawn in a sleigh. The Miksani are Winter, but use the same steel tools that other humans use. Mother Winter has iron teeth.

You keep using this word. No, we don't want him. You want him. Most everyone else is against this, as far as I can see, and you are not convincing at all.
No, you dont want him.
Im arguing that we do. And should.
 
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[X] Cover your tracks, even if it means bricking any machines that might reveal details about the hack

It is time... to cause the Great Recession!

With our luck, we'll end up annihilating all the records of ownership for a large number of derivatives and trigger a financial crisis ourselves instead of letting the housing bubble pop. Time to teach the US government not to mess with Molly :rage:

As always, time to solve our current issues with brute force and create new and interesting problems while doing so :V
 
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No, you dont want him.
Im arguing that we do. And should.

I mean, I agree with Yog, this is very much a case where you want him, and nobody else, because he's worthless.

You are the only one arguing for getting this guy.

Anyway, vote:

[X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of

The other option is not more revealing than this one, normal hackers don't go that far, it encourages the company to search more instead of less like simply cutting the connection does.
 
[X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of

Let them find us if they are that good.
I have no issue with that, not like they could cause real trouble, worst case a little talk with the management will settle things.
1) See this?
Literally their job to coordinate that sort of thing across govt and private institutions, as a Federal agency.

2) Do remember that Charity's awakening included seeing what sounds like a Rampire at her father's business party?
"It's a long, long time ago now sweetie, more than half my life," Mom says with a shake of the head and a smile, mostly though not entirely for your benefit. "It was at a retirement party for one of Father's friends, they had dragged me into it and I hated the idea so much I tried to pretend I was sick." She looks you up and down a moment, taking a deep breath before launching herself into the rest of the story. "Tried to make myself sick, took some pills and brandy, one of my friends said it would look like a stomach flu and I'd be fine in the morning. It didn't work out that way. I was nauseous, shaky, but nothing Mother, much less Father would accept as a reason a reason to excuse myself so I went. I don't remember anything of that night, but I was told later by the doctors that I hallucinated, something about a giant bat covered in blood. I hit a man in the head with a punch bowl and had to be dragged out of the room."
We dont know who is invested in this hedge fund, and what connections they have.
It would be the height of recklessness to give the Feds, or someone else, that kind of potential leverage over us because we were too arrogant to do basic damage control after a blown mission.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 
[X] Cover your tracks, even if it means bricking any machines that might reveal details about the hack

3)Thats apparently only part of their function.

We only begin to see some of the other functions that Knights have in the really later books, like in Cold Days where Dresden is told to kill Maeve and we find out that Knights can remove their Queens, or in Battle Grounds where he pops a Banner and becomes a field commander.

And as far as Im aware, Dresden's ability as a wizard doesnt appear to be a major consideration for Mab thus far.
Not as Knight.
Fix wasnt a magic user before becoming Summer Knight, but he apparently is as of Cold Days.

And one of the alternatives she mentioned to Dresden was his brother Thomas, who isnt exactly a major spellcaster.
everyone has some magic in DF, and I don't recall him ever really doing anything impressive.

The thing with Maeve is just another demonstration of authority games; the queens can't kill each other directly, they have to use the knight.

From what we see of Dresden almost all his serious supernatural winter stuff were a result of him drawing on the mantle like he did hellfire to do wizard things. The strength enhancements for example were just his body's limiters being turned off.

Authority == Asskicking is a thing, but the point of the knights is to use mortal free will and not another big supernatural gun. If anything it's an indication that the knights aren't supposed to have fey biggatons built in.

You don't have any real evidence of this theory.

Nobody is asking for a 100% guarantee.
What Im cautioning about is the idea that we should be handing out these things willy-nilly; the more you proliferate them, the more we are risking unforeseen consequences.

Especially with something thats explicitly malleable for those with the knowledge and power.
Of whom I can think of a couple.
Selling them to powerful people isn't exactly leaving them stuck in stones for random kids to draw.

If we want to fully exploit this ability we're going to need to accept the risks of doing business.
 
Disagree.

She is willing and has no problem killing people she thinks warrant killing. Or salvaging stuff off the battlefield.
Thats quite a different thing from putting out an order for twelve vampire livers, gently used.
Or, even more fucked up, having them delivered, trussed up and fresh, so she can render them down for reagents.

I'd be queasy about that, and I've seen the remains of a young man's cranium after it took gunfire at short range.
You are looking at it wrong, reversing the motivation and result. It's not "an order for 12 vampire livers". From Molly's perspective it's "Wanted dead" list of monsters, where payment is not money, but splendors made from proofs of kill.
Nobody is asking for a 100% guarantee.
What Im cautioning about is the idea that we should be handing out these things willy-nilly; the more you proliferate them, the more we are risking unforeseen consequences.

Especially with something thats explicitly malleable for those with the knowledge and power.
Of whom I can think of a couple.
Any proliefaration is dangerous. The only way to avoid it, is not to do any, and to just not do anything, really. And you are inventing the ability to make them wholecloth, and, I think, rather overestimating the danger. In order to get access to the ability to make them, we bought a 5 dot celestial-tier charm. That's the cost of entry to the ability to make something like this. The resource cost of actually doing so is greater still, at least for high level stuff. To go beyond 3 dots, you have to start sacrificing incarna-tier creatures and/or destroying major Dragon Nests (which are seldom, if ever, unprotected).

The beings who could do this are in short supply, and us giving out splendors doesn't meaningfully increase their danger level. I mean, could Odin do something bad with a splendor? Probably, yes. But Odin is dangerous anyway.
Bob used to be Winter Court. Iron is not a vulnerability for him.
Odin wears chain mail as Kringle and is drawn in a sleigh. The Miksani are Winter, but use the same steel tools that other humans use. Mother Winter has iron teeth.
Not all fae have weakness to iron. Some (many) of them certainly do. Donning a mantle of winter/summer has been demonstrated to convey such weakness in several cases (Dresden, Molly, I think, in canon, Lily too, if I understand correctly, Maeve for certain - she mentioned this in this thread). This means that there is high chance that absolute protection against iron poisoning would be worth quite a bit for quite a number of fae, and beings who became fae.

Also, as I understand it, Bob never had a mantle.
No, you dont want him.
Im arguing that we do. And should.
And you are not convincing at all, sorry. He's not worth the effort, and Mab is not stupid to give him away if he had vital intelligence. On the character level, we have multiple other better options. On intelligence level, we have far better ways of getting said intelligence. Ones that can't be traced back to us at all, and can remain a secret.
 
You say that like there's any consensus to get in the first place. I wouldn't trade a bent penny for him.
Molly's urge is curiosity, but she doesn't have to go about it in the most wasteful way possible.
Hence my making the argument, not just to you, but everyone else, that you are mistaken.
There's multiple pragmatic reasons to want him.

This of course, is contingent on Mab calling us to do something about Lea.
Because Im not proposing that we spend either of the two Favors we currently have for him; I want those two in reserve.
I'd trade Lea for taking him off Mab's hands.
 
We dont know who is invested in this hedge fund, and what connections they have.
It would be the height of recklessness to give the Feds, or someone else, that kind of potential leverage over us because we were too arrogant to do basic damage control after a blown mission.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Yeah, let's burn down the house to hide an attempted break in. Surely, nothing would go wrong.

As to knowing...

[X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of
-[X] use the scene (report, infodump, etc) as a crown focus to get a list of persons and organizations that would procedurally or customarily be informed about this event.
 
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One thing to remember about the Mantles is that they are not all meant to do the same thing, not by far. The Knight's Mantle is better at war than the Lady's because that is what Knights are for. Remember those visions you had of Nemesis and where is came from... living stories, the shape they take matters more than how much power is in them.
 
Hence my making the argument, not just to you, but everyone else, that you are mistaken.
There's multiple pragmatic reasons to want him.

This of course, is contingent on Mab calling us to do something about Lea.
Because Im not proposing that we spend either of the two Favors we currently have for him; I want those two in reserve.
I'd trade Lea for taking him off Mab's hands.
There is no real pragmatic reason.

You've built a big pile of supposition around a guy who, whatever he started as, spent most of his career a drugged up rapist who hit things for Maeve. There isn't any tangible evidence he knows anything interesting, that Mab would let him go if he did, or that he's actually the most cost effective source of the data you're suggesting he has.

I'd rather buy data from random spirits, or trade the council for it. It's cheaper and we have reason to believe it actually exists.
 
[X] Cover your tracks, even if it means bricking any machines that might reveal details about the hack

That was me trying to sound archaic, yet used as emphasis to mean 'even', I am pretty sure it is correct, if not modern.
I've seen people use that wording casually in life. It's not obscure.

Regina was terrified. That suggests some sort of prior trauma here.
Worth exploring, given that magic in the Dresden Files appears to be mostly maternally inherited.
Then again, it might just be a prior experience with psychiatric disorders. Or it could be both.
Or just that she had no context for what the fuck was going on with her daughter, and she was scared of the dangerous unknown.

Hence my making the argument, not just to you, but everyone else, that you are mistaken.
There's multiple pragmatic reasons to want him.
Could we do something with him? Yes, we're awesome, and we can manufacture some degree of usefulness out of nearly anything.

Is he a necessity for important stuff that we can't accomplish any other way? No.

Is Mab going to hand over the Winter Knight to a foreign power for anything that we might be doing for her? If she does, then she has clearly been infected by Nemesis.
 
Constantly fighting a war being an encouragement towards a monstrous mindset is fascist gobbledygook
I disagree. The longer a war goes on for the more it influences a society and its youth. That's a fact. Hard times create hard people, peaceful times create softer people.

[X] Cover your tracks, even if it means bricking any machines that might reveal details about the hack
 
[X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of
 
[X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of
 
everyone has some magic in DF, and I don't recall him ever really doing anything impressive.
The thing with Maeve is just another demonstration of authority games; the queens can't kill each other directly, they have to use the knight.

From what we see of Dresden almost all his serious supernatural winter stuff were a result of him drawing on the mantle like he did hellfire to do wizard things. The strength enhancements for example were just his body's limiters being turned off.

Authority == Asskicking is a thing, but the point of the knights is to use mortal free will and not another big supernatural gun. If anything it's an indication that the knights aren't supposed to have fey biggatons built in.
You don't have any real evidence of this theory.
1)Yes, everyone has at least a little magic.
But Fix was throwing around enough fire that even dodging the bolt would still scorch Dresden with the bloom according to Harry. Getting plugged into a Fae Mantle is a pretty big deal magically.


2) Thats not true. Butters made theories, but the onscreen feats say they werent true.

Nothing about your bodies limiters being turned off would let you jump fifty feet from a four step run-up, or shrug off getting hit in the lower back with a tree trunk wielded by a twelve foot tall, one-ton Rawhead, or to fracture the sternum of a half-Red with a snap-kick, or match the strength of the Red King, or outrun Binder's goons that onscreen were doing 30 miles an hour.


3)No, thats only part of it.
The Ladies have always had members of their Court that have at least as much freedom acting in the real world, from changelings to mortals who made deals to phobophages like the fetches.

Knights are way more than that.


Selling them to powerful people isn't exactly leaving them stuck in stones for random kids to draw.
If we want to fully exploit this ability we're going to need to accept the risks of doing business.
I am not worried about random kids.
Im worried about Denarians and Yama Kings and Walkers and their ilk, people with the power and potentially skill to reshape items made of the power of prehistory.

And the ambition to do so.


You are looking at it wrong, reversing the motivation and result. It's not "an order for 12 vampire livers". From Molly's perspective it's "Wanted dead" list of monsters, where payment is not money, but splendors made from proofs of kill.
I dont think I am.

There's been an ongoing war for the last four years, and it lasts another six that I can recall.
There's been no bounty boards for wizards or vampires by the opposing faction. The only time a bounty was posted was when the White Council were hunting Morgan, and that hasnt happened. Might not happen.

And like I pointed out, no living vampire elder is unaffiliated.
We dont need to aggro Drakul just yet. Or some touchy arhat in the East.


Any proliefaration is dangerous. The only way to avoid it, is not to do any, and to just not do anything, really. And you are inventing the ability to make them wholecloth, and, I think, rather overestimating the danger. In order to get access to the ability to make them, we bought a 5 dot celestial-tier charm. That's the cost of entry to the ability to make something like this. The resource cost of actually doing so is greater still, at least for high level stuff. To go beyond 3 dots, you have to start sacrificing incarna-tier creatures and/or destroying major Dragon Nests (which are seldom, if ever, unprotected).

The beings who could do this are in short supply, and us giving out splendors doesn't meaningfully increase their danger level. I mean, could Odin do something bad with a splendor? Probably, yes. But Odin is dangerous anyway.
Like I pointed out earlier? People incapable of making something from scratch can plausibly modify and upgrade it.

There's a difference between careful dissemination of limited numbers where necessary, and the highest bidder, cash on the barrelhead attitude that you appear to be proposing here.
Because what you are proposing seems to me like running a nuclear demolitions device bazaar.

Not all fae have weakness to iron. Some (many) of them certainly do. Donning a mantle of winter/summer has been demonstrated to convey such weakness in several cases (Dresden, Molly, I think, in canon, Lily too, if I understand correctly, Maeve for certain - she mentioned this in this thread). This means that there is high chance that absolute protection against iron poisoning would be worth quite a bit for quite a number of fae, and beings who became fae.

Also, as I understand it, Bob never had a mantle.
No, I disagree.

Eldest Ankou is not a Winter Court Mantle, its a mantle of a race/species/faction that swore vassalage to Winter around a thousand years ago. The Ankou are Welsh/Breton psychopomps who swore to Winter, but are not fae. They werent part of the faction that became Winter. Mathews should have no issue with iron; Arawn didnt.

Indeed, if iron protected against the Ankou, necromancers wouldnt have had to worry quite so much about him.
And the fact that he took Kattrin's steel sword suggests its not an issue for him.
Nor is his daughter a changeling.

And you are not convincing at all, sorry. He's not worth the effort, and Mab is not stupid to give him away if he had vital intelligence. On the character level, we have multiple other better options. On intelligence level, we have far better ways of getting said intelligence. Ones that can't be traced back to us at all, and can remain a secret.
Is Mab going to hand over the Winter Knight to a foreign power for anything that we might be doing for her? If she does, then she has clearly been infected by Nemesis.
With the Winter Mantle? No.
Without the Winter Mantle? Im pretty sure that Mab would trade a depowered Lloyd Slate for the Leanansidhe without a thought. Worth remembering that in canon, it took her another five years to get Lea fixed and ready for continued duty.

The only reason we're even discussing it as an option is because of what we did/can do.
 
Good night guys, see you tomorrow as we wrap up the hacking one way or another and move on to the end of the turn. I have not done the math on the XP yet, but it should be a decent amount, if not as much as last month.
 
[X] Cover your tracks, even if it means bricking any machines that might reveal details about the hack

Edit: Night Swallows secrets or the institution sabotage charm here we come
 
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Knights are way more than that.
I don't see anything other than "trust me bro" here. Fix is marginal, but the guy was also a changling beforehand and even tossing around fire beams doesn't make you a heavy hitter.

The knights are a big deal, but we're told they exist to let the queens bend their rules. The core one being that the fey queens can't kill any mortal who isn't bound to the courts.

I think butter's speculation has a lot more weight than yours does here.

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There's been an ongoing war for the last four years, and it lasts another six that I can recall.
There's been no bounty boards for wizards or vampires by the opposing faction. The only time a bounty was posted was when the White Council were hunting Morgan, and that hasnt happened. Might not happen
No bounty? The red court tried to buy Harry on eBay. That doesn't suggest they're uncomfortable with the topic. They already buy and sell people regularly anyway.

I am not worried about random kids.
Im worried about Denarians and Yama Kings and Walkers and their ilk, people with the power and potentially skill to reshape items made of the power of prehistory.

And the ambition to do so.
You know what I meant.

There are plenty of dangerous artifacts out there, and our buyers would be the people who have most of them already. Ancient Sorcery is a very dangerous tool, but the players you're talking about have plenty of ways to mess with this level of power.

We should be cautious, but not waste our abilities
 
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Uju I think you may be looking too much into Slate. From everything I can tell about him he was a two-bit leg breaker for the negligent Lady of winter. Drug addict and rapist of course he knows how to keep his mouth shut and that's pretty much all the secrecy he really needs for his plans cuz he just goes around killing people with super strength that he gets from the mantle so all he needs to do is be moderately stealthy know how to keep his mouth shut and do what he already does hurt and kill people for his amusement. Nothing is about his plans require him to be particularly clever only to be clever enough.
 
Votes tied.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Nov 17, 2023 at 12:58 AM, finished with 75 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X] Cover your tracks, even if it means bricking any machines that might reveal details about the hack.
    [X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of
    [X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of
    -[X] use the scene (report, infodump, etc) as a crown focus to get a list of persons and organizations that would procedurally or customarily be informed about this event.
 
There's been an ongoing war for the last four years, and it lasts another six that I can recall.
There's been no bounty boards for wizards or vampires by the opposing faction. The only time a bounty was posted was when the White Council were hunting Morgan, and that hasnt happened. Might not happen.
So? How does this relate to Molly's morality? My point is that your initial objection, which, to my understanding was "Molly wouldn't just use people as crafting materials", isn't correct - there is a logical framework, namely a wanted board with splendor bounty payments, where Molly would.

We also don't know if there is White Council Most Wanted list or not.
Like I pointed out earlier? People incapable of making something from scratch can plausibly modify and upgrade it.
Citations please. If we go by the rules, in order to modify a splendor, you completely unmake it, and then make it from scratch using the power present:
When improving a Splendor, you collapse it back down to a raw mass of Element Points
appropriate to its new rating and remake it from scratch. It does not need to share any elements
in common with its former function or appearance prior to infusion.
I find this idea a bit strange myself, yes, but still, this is how it's supposed to be done. But even barring that, no, you are inventing the problem wholecloth, again. At the very least I would assume that anyone capable of modifying a splendor would need to have access to Ancient Sorcery. And that's likely a very exclusive list, and not a matter of power.
Eldest Ankou is not a Winter Court Mantle, its a mantle of a race/species/faction that swore vassalage to Winter around a thousand years ago. The Ankou are Welsh/Breton psychopomps who swore to Winter, but are not fae. They werent part of the faction that became Winter. Mathews should have no issue with iron; Arawn didnt.
No, Eldest Ankou is explicitly a Winter Court mantle due to the magical oaths Arawn made, which he personally, but not the mantle, slipped through via Kemmler's fuckery. If it wasn't, Mab's plan to revenge herself upon Arawn by transferring the mantle to Lydia and thus obtaining control over her wouldn't work.

Even if it isn't, that wasn't my point. My point was that in a number of cases, a fae court mantle can inflict typical fae weaknesses on previously mortal beings, like Maeve, and canon Molly.
 
Votes tied.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Nov 17, 2023 at 12:58 AM, finished with 75 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X] Cover your tracks, even if it means bricking any machines that might reveal details about the hack.
    [X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of
    [X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of
    -[X] use the scene (report, infodump, etc) as a crown focus to get a list of persons and organizations that would procedurally or customarily be informed about this event.
Just to make sure I am not acting as a spoiler:
[X] Cut the connection and leave well enough lone. Any information their IT department may be able to get about the infiltration is likely to be too weird to make heads or tails of
 
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