Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

If this is a "free sample", it's more than enough. More than that requires something in return. However, I am all for pulling USA, and setting things up for brain drain. Get people hooked, and have them immigrate to get education in our universities. They'll either remain, or they'll return after spending years assimilating. Soft power
The best targets for this are really 'minor' talents. They can be just as strong in their areas of influence, suffering in breadth of application more than anything else.

We also have a far more extensively developed paradigm for dealing in their gifts than anything earth can offer simply because we've had people researching it in an industrialized fashion.

We could get some current wizards, or ensure Journeyspeak is the English of magical everything as far as mortals are concerned.
 
Prayer channels, the answer comes comes to you in a flash. Every human has them so why not reverse the direction, carve on the heart, feed it inwards, the star of the elements held in a mirror. So that's why the Devil likes inverted Pentagrams... neat. Too bad for him there is no copyright in Hell. Scraper and laser stylus in hand you make the changes in a flash, or about three hours, less than it takes the next meel to arrive at least.
So, I'm trying to translate this from metaphor to mechanics. If I understand correctly it goes like this:
1) Normally, all Fallen draw upon leylines, seemingly as their basic function. Incidentally, this opens up a whole new avenue of research. Like "what happens if a Fallen gets cut off from all leylines via a Perfect effect, like When the Tigers Broke Free". It does explain why bringing in the coin would be very painful for Molly, if it would automatically, probably via a perfect effect, tap available leylines.
2) Molly can't hook Lash up
3) The solution to the power issue is as follows: Molly took basic human function (i.e. prayer generation), and inverted / looped the output, so natural prayer energy (essence?) generation would loop back on itself and feed the body, instead of gods / Creation. This probably means that Lash fundamentally can't be a part of a cult. Since, as I understand it, prayer breaks conservation of, well, everything, this gives Lash a perpetual energy engine.

Alternative reading is that Lash was hooked to ambient prayer, but I think that doesn't really works.
 
We are lacking in a tradition with the comprehensive view and flexible power that makes Wizards unique among all practicioners, so it's not like they couldn't still offer a lot back.

On our side though, yeah.
Much deeper understanding of Sorcery Paths and also experience with magical infrastructure on a scale that's unthinkable on earth.
We might not have any single thing as impressive as Merlin's work, but we have millennia of people improving the basics.
 
3) The solution to the power issue is as follows: Molly took basic human function (i.e. prayer generation), and inverted / looped the output, so natural prayer energy (essence?) generation would loop back on itself and feed the body, instead of gods / Creation. This probably means that Lash fundamentally can't be a part of a cult. Since, as I understand it, prayer breaks conservation of, well, everything, this gives Lash a perpetual energy engine.

Alternative reading is that Lash was hooked to ambient prayer, but I think that doesn't really works.
If you combined these things it would work.

First you have Lash with a body and two-part soul of her own, generating energy and giving nothing back.
This establishes a baseline of power-regeneration not unlike a Shi regenerating his own Chi, or an Exalt respiring Essence.

Then, if you want to improve the baseline, draw on other people's prayer.
 
There is a lot of power in faith, less than there was before the modern age in relative terms, mortals are less keen to believe in magic and miracles, but in absolute terms... well there are a lot of people out there.
 
So, I'm trying to translate this from metaphor to mechanics. If I understand correctly it goes like this:
1) Normally, all Fallen draw upon leylines, seemingly as their basic function. Incidentally, this opens up a whole new avenue of research. Like "what happens if a Fallen gets cut off from all leylines via a Perfect effect, like When the Tigers Broke Free". It does explain why bringing in the coin would be very painful for Molly, if it would automatically, probably via a perfect effect, tap available leylines.
2) Molly can't hook Lash up
3) The solution to the power issue is as follows: Molly took basic human function (i.e. prayer generation), and inverted / looped the output, so natural prayer energy (essence?) generation would loop back on itself and feed the body, instead of gods / Creation. This probably means that Lash fundamentally can't be a part of a cult. Since, as I understand it, prayer breaks conservation of, well, everything, this gives Lash a perpetual energy engine.

Alternative reading is that Lash was hooked to ambient prayer, but I think that doesn't really works.
I don't think the bit with the leylines was about angels so much as our spirit designing.

It's possible you're right about the prayer loop, but my read was that we made her a minor goddess in that we set her up to receive prayer instead of produce them, but that she doesn't really require it because the system is stable enough to be as self maintaining as a mortal body if she isn't looking to fuel something big.

We are lacking in a tradition with the comprehensive view and flexible power that makes Wizards unique among all practicioners, so it's not like they couldn't still offer a lot back.

On our side though, yeah.
Much deeper understanding of Sorcery Paths and also experience with magical infrastructure on a scale that's unthinkable on earth.
We might not have any single thing as impressive as Merlin's work, but we have millennia of people improving the basics.
I'm not convinced we lack equivalents in terms of produced work. Crafting is one of those places where more natural power doesn't mean as much. Time and cleverness can get a lot of work done; modern technology is similar in that regard - a group of engineers working together couldn't produce a tenth of the power through muscle that they can by building a nuclear reactor instead. If anything I'd expect the greater time and industrialization to make collective products that are frighteningly advanced from every perspective.

Spirit binding is also another potential area where you could get weird almost wizardry.

If you've spent millennia binding progressively stronger spirits of different focuses into your body then the resulting collective should have some very broad abilities.

Not the same as a wizard, more like a sorcerer with an absurd number and strength of paths, but still.
 
We are lacking in a tradition with the comprehensive view and flexible power that makes Wizards unique among all practicioners, so it's not like they couldn't still offer a lot back.

On our side though, yeah.
Much deeper understanding of Sorcery Paths and also experience with magical infrastructure on a scale that's unthinkable on earth.
We might not have any single thing as impressive as Merlin's work, but we have millennia of people improving the basics.
In general any knowledge exchange we do with the White Council is going to be biased in our favor because them learning from us means wizards going to our hell and learning in our universities well anything that we learn from them our people can crowd source, develop on further and add to our curriculum.

It is very possible that in the near further White Council members and apprentices go to our Kingdom as the most effective way to learn white council lore.
 
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Oh my god, I can just imagine her with some bullshit long title. Like "Supreme Heavenly Fallen Angel Great Pardon Dragon Ancestor" or some just idiotic (but funny) shit like that.
We're designing her prosthetic, I see no reason we can't make the brand names of every individual component silly for our own entertainment. Other than ethics I suppose, but I'm pretty sure there isn't a professional body monitoring this stuff.
 
We're designing her prosthetic, I see no reason we can't make the brand names of every individual component silly for our own entertainment. Other than ethics I suppose, but I'm pretty sure there isn't a professional body monitoring this stuff.
Molly - It's Mollytech. That means it is powered entirely by green energy.

Bystander - Wait, like solar power and stuff?

Molly - No. (racks slide on essence powered plasma cannon)
 
We are lacking in a tradition with the comprehensive view and flexible power that makes Wizards unique among all practicioners, so it's not like they couldn't still offer a lot back.

On our side though, yeah.
Much deeper understanding of Sorcery Paths and also experience with magical infrastructure on a scale that's unthinkable on earth.
We might not have any single thing as impressive as Merlin's work, but we have millennia of people improving the basics.
Wizards punch high in their area but are terrible outside of it. If your a wizard that does fighting your great at it, if your not even trash vampires can gank you. We have a much higher baseline average then the wizards could ever hope to achieve. Generally the WC have 1-3 people that are really good at something at most. We have a dozen people that surpass all the other members.
 
I don't think the bit with the leylines was about angels so much as our spirit designing.
This part is actually pretty clear:
"That's not going to work, you do not have access to the ley-lines I don't know how to give you access without scrapping so much the body would become incompatible."

"Such is the nature of the Fallen," Lash says her voice utterly, dreadfully composed. If she weren't she would be cursing and weeping all at once you know.
Molly says that Lash doesn't have access to ley lines, and Molly can't give her one. Lash responds that such access is something absolutely required by her nature as a Fallen / Fallen derivative.
 
Wizards punch high in their area but are terrible outside of it. If your a wizard that does fighting your great at it, if your not even trash vampires can gank you. We have a much higher baseline average then the wizards could ever hope to achieve. Generally the WC have 1-3 people that are really good at something at most. We have a dozen people that surpass all the other members.
A Wizard who specializes in combat can still scry, do minor mental spells, make some enchantments and alchemy, a good bit of illusions and some more stuff besides the fireballs and lightning.

Wizards are much broader build that path-sorcerers, in fluff and mechanics both. And more flexible as well.

A Path-Sorcerer has to buy every single effect he wants to use, a Wizard just buys a few Spheres and then it's mix and match at will.
 
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Please keep in mind the White Council still has enemies in it as well as someone possesed by an Outsider.
[X] Apprentice, enough to deal with spirits so long as they are well disposed
 
This part is actually pretty clear:

Molly says that Lash doesn't have access to ley lines, and Molly can't give her one. Lash responds that such access is something absolutely required by her nature as a Fallen / Fallen derivative.
Fair. I read that as a general lament that the fallen are broken and can't smoothly integrate with anything natural, but that is a bit of a stretch.

I was dismissing the implication that angels are naturally looped into that system because we never see one in the series localized like that would imply, or any indication that a particular angel is dependent on anyone but the white god for power.
 
This part is actually pretty clear:

Molly says that Lash doesn't have access to ley lines, and Molly can't give her one. Lash responds that such access is something absolutely required by her nature as a Fallen / Fallen derivative.

That is not what she says, sorry for the confusion, the point of that is:
I can't give you access to the ley-lines it I make this compatible with them it will not be compatible with you
I know that is how Fallen work
And then Molly has the idea 'but that about prayer?'
 
Fair. I read that as a general lament that the fallen are broken and can't smoothly integrate with anything natural, but that is a bit of a stretch.

I was dismissing the implication that angels are naturally looped into that system because we never see one in the series localized like that would imply, or any indication that a particular angel is dependent on anyone but the white god for power.
I read it as Fallen only having to tap into this (although, if Universe is actually White God's Kingdom similar to how Molly's Courts are hers, and we are in a Xianxia story, angels being tapped into leylines makes tons of sense), but apparently I was misreading this:
That is not what she says, sorry for the confusion, the point of that is:
I can't give you access to the ley-lines it I make this compatible with them it will not be compatible with you
I know that is how Fallen work
And then Molly has the idea 'but that about prayer?'
So, just to clarify, does this mean that Fallen cannot access leylines? This would be a very important piece of information.
 
So, just to clarify, does this mean that Fallen cannot access leylines? This would be a very important piece of information.

Not directly, if their hosts are wizards or mages of some other kind they can tap the magic of the world, but for the abilities of the Fallen themselves they have to tap faith, turns out a source of cheap muscle is not the only reason for the tongueless servants Nick keeps around, though at need they can just draw upon the faith of their actual host

As evidenced by the copyright joke she feels that the Fallen are also taking advantage of the same loophole, though somehow though the Coin in maybe (she cannot really tell without a coin to study). Molly just designed everything into the body
 
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