To be fair humans are the odd ball in Exalted where they generate prayer, and do not really benefit from it. that for mortals exalted benefit from prayer like everybody else. I remember it was explicitly in the surrender oaths of the Yozi that they cannot benefit from prayer form their first circle demons, as all the Yozi could turn out a demon breed just to pray to them and their sub souls, to grant them NA cult level. That where you regen motes per combat tick.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Ancalagon the Black
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This is the kind of knowledge they should be (metaphorically) selling their souls for.
I also don't want the black council of evil wizards getting their hands on it.
Can't we put this onto our diplomatic officials? Getting a return on knowledge that took a lot of time and effort to gather and putting it off long enough to take care of the councils traitor problem.
[X] Novice, the barest beginnings
This should be enough of a free sample to see if further dots are even compatible with their own spirit arts, and thus, worth purchasing.
I also don't want the black council of evil wizards getting their hands on it.
Can't we put this onto our diplomatic officials? Getting a return on knowledge that took a lot of time and effort to gather and putting it off long enough to take care of the councils traitor problem.
[X] Novice, the barest beginnings
This should be enough of a free sample to see if further dots are even compatible with their own spirit arts, and thus, worth purchasing.
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The black council of evil wizards already has far worse in the form of demon-summoning and outsider-summoning, so I think this is not a big worry.
You're right, but to be fair we don't care about the safety of those demons.
Molly has an interest in her demons not being abused. They can't really be permanently killed without someone really going out of their way, but they could still be harmed in other ways.
I don't think we should let that stop us because it's a manageable risk and we can stick to only making information available on spirits willing to take it, but there is reason to be concerned about the names we allow into the black council's hands.
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I mean at this point I think that we have proven our credentials enough that if we asked Harry to let us study the Coin in his basement he would say yes.
That coin is no longer in his basement since he is not interested in hanging on to things that dangerous for no reason, it has already been handed off to Michael and from there into the keeping of the Church.
Too bad, I was hoping to have the opportunity to curse it to high heaven out of petty spite at some point.
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Really ugh now we are going to have to deal with Lashiel within a few months. In canon the church was basically a cardboard prison for the coins. I was hoping we would have at least a month or two to make something better.
[X] Novice, the barest beginnings
[X] Apprentice, enough to deal with spirits so long as they are well disposed
I am good with both levels.
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When we get ahold of one we should stick it somewhere really annoying to get it out of in the nevernever (other than our hell, because that's a bad plan). That and apply some annoying curses.
Sure Hell will get them out and clean, but the devil will still have to pay their cab fare and help them clean up.
If every time they mess with us they get the equivalent of being doused in glue and glitter before being dropped in a random uninhabited patch of Idaho we at least get the consolation prize of knowing we're incredibly frustrating to be within a hundred miles of.
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I have already said that I want to craft up a custom host with unbreakable willpower content to just hold a coin for a few centuries well ignoring the Fallen. Follows the rules completely.
That's just asking for it. Any special build we make for them will eventually get corrupted, and building something close enough to a person to act as a host is a dick move. Lash's suit isn't the same thing as something with its own will, which is necessary for the coins.
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Even discounting that, the angels get a say. They can choose not to accept a host and to move on. At which point keeping a hold of the coin is as hard for whatever we've made as it is for the church.
Lasciel stayed in Dresden's basement because she wanted him as a host badly enough to wait for it, not because she had to.
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fictionfan
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Yes that is what I am in fact asking for. If the host holds out for a few centuries that is much better than the current situation and if it is corrupted how is that worse?
See the edit to my reply. It'll only hold them for centuries if they see potential there worth the wait. Otherwise they'll leave and there's nothing we can do to stop them.
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Hahahaha. This line got me good.
Also, you can tell Molly has it bad for Harry if she thinks even the above is a positive trait
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That is asserted sometimes, but not actually demonstrated. Seems like a skill issue to me.
This happens with the Denarian Sorcerer who cursed Dresden. His partner just fucked off and started looking for new matches on diabolic!Tinder.
Making an innocent creature purely to suffer the touch of the fallen won't hold them unless the individual angels on question think the wait is worth it or that they can make it happen faster.
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If you are talking about Cadious he gave up his coin to stop the Knight from doing anything to him. The situation does not square the same at all.
He gave it up because Denarians are allowed to lie about this; he fully expected to get it back after the coin broke out of prison. Instead the Angel was so offended by his incompetence that it left him.
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There is a world of difference between not going back to someone and being able to leave someone holding your coin tight to the point that I don't even see what your point is supposed to be.
The coins can't be contained against their will for very long is the point. Holding the coin in your hand isn't any more of a hack than burying it in cement is. The fallen pick a partner and tempts them, if they don't want that to be you they can fuck off into the distance using the same mechanisms they always use.
The only reason to stick around for them would be if such a host tempted them sufficiently to be worth the time or they thought of a trick to do it faster, which isn't out of the realm of possibility for tempters of that caliber.
My point is that your one neat trick for long term Denarian containment is risky, cruel*, and ineffectual.
* to an innocent we'd be responsible for creating no less.
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It would certainly be cruel to create something with a purpose that didn't enjoy the purpose that it was created for. But why would we ever do that?
Also if the coins where able to teleport themselves at will the membership of the Denarians would look very different. Basically all of them are people who where in the lower rungs of society before getting their coins.
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Whatever we make it enjoy, producing something for the sole purpose of being exposed to what things like Magog would try to do to it is cruel by any reasonable measure.
We're not talking about a law not happy to file your taxes here, we're talking about fallen angels clawing at their souls.
The coins cannot teleport themselves, but they do not have to take any host that comes into contact with them, they are the ones that have to start talking, so they can just say 'pass' on any host you make just to contain them.