fictionfan
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In general the safest way to use organization curses is when some other organization is actively opposing the organization we are cursing because they can then fill any power vacuums.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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1)The modern KKK has 5000-8000 people by most estimates as of the modern day.
They are not the cultural movements they were in the US before the 1960s and 1970s; even the racists have largely moved on to other forms of organization. They are still there.
2) They are unjust incarceration; the motive is irrelevant for our purposes.
Forced prison labor is very much a thing in the US; the ACLU makes it clear that 76% of prisoners are forced to, on pain of consequences like solitary confinement, denial of parole and visitation rights.
Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers | ACLU
We examined the injustices of prison labor nationwide — and lay the foundation for a more equitable path forward.
www.aclu.org
Unjust imprisonment is unjust imprisonment. Just like how in the United States you have people whose lives were destroyed for marijuana possession, or possession of enough drugs for personal use, or who ended up in jail because someone's private prison was paying kickbacks to the judge to get children sent to his prison.
Dont mistake the fact that the US isnt doing political prisoners any more for the idea that large sections of the criminal code, or its implementation, is actually just. The fact that you're fucked because the prosecutor is looking to pad his numbers for reelection, or to placate a demographic, doesnt make you any better off than the person targeted by national political policy.
3)We have zero control about the second and third order consequences of sabotaging organizations.
A prison for example, as has been suggested, could start having trouble processing inmates
It might also simply poison its inhabitants due to its food handling procedures no longer working. Or release a bunch of hardened criminals along with political prisoners.
This is a blunt instrument that you are talking about.
4)No, the KKK is not something I have any interest in engaging, because it verges too much on RL politics and certain major stakeholders of the US political system. I would rather keep complex sociopolitical issues out of my escapist fantasy quest, rather than pretend that all I have to do is cast a spell to make them go away.
These are not issues to be solved by magic.
In 2000, McCain lost the Republican presidential nomination to George W Bush in part because of a whisper campaign by Bush supporters that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was the result of his having an affair with a black woman. And in 2008, the election of Obama ignited an eight year campaign of racist smears at himself, his wife and children.
Pretending that the deepseated racism issues of large sections of the United States are something to solve by targeting marginal organizations with magic spells does injustice to a serious issue.
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In fairness the stuff still exists in this setting it'd be kinda bad to just ignore it just cause it's stressful for us or the character. But, then again it's a quest so okay I'm willing to just ignore those things in character still makes me sad that ooc just makes Molly willfully ignorant of the stuff. But, we can just deal with more existential stuff instead like vampires or fomor. Should we curse uh any of the Yama kings organizations and how likely do you think it is they'd immediately notice and stop it?1)The modern KKK has 5000-8000 people by most estimates as of the modern day.
They are not the cultural movements they were in the US before the 1960s and 1970s; even the racists have largely moved on to other forms of organization. They are still there.
2) They are unjust incarceration; the motive is irrelevant for our purposes.
Forced prison labor is very much a thing in the US; the ACLU makes it clear that 76% of prisoners are forced to, on pain of consequences like solitary confinement, denial of parole and visitation rights.
Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers | ACLU
We examined the injustices of prison labor nationwide — and lay the foundation for a more equitable path forward.
Unjust imprisonment is unjust imprisonment. Just like how in the United States you have people whose lives were destroyed for marijuana possession, or possession of enough drugs for personal use, or who ended up in jail because someone's private prison was paying kickbacks to the judge to get children sent to his prison.
Dont mistake the fact that the US isnt doing political prisoners any more for the idea that large sections of the criminal code, or its implementation, is actually just. The fact that you're fucked because the prosecutor is looking to pad his numbers for reelection, or to placate a demographic, doesnt make you any better off than the person targeted by national political policy.
3)We have zero control about the second and third order consequences of sabotaging organizations.
A prison for example, as has been suggested, could start having trouble processing inmates
It might also simply poison its inhabitants due to its food handling procedures no longer working. Or release a bunch of hardened criminals along with political prisoners.
This is a blunt instrument that you are talking about.
4)No, the KKK is not something I have any interest in engaging, because it verges too much on RL politics and certain major stakeholders of the US political system. I would rather keep complex sociopolitical issues out of my escapist fantasy quest, rather than pretend that all I have to do is cast a spell to make them go away.
These are not issues to be solved by magic.
In 2000, McCain lost the Republican presidential nomination to George W Bush in part because of a whisper campaign by Bush supporters that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was the result of his having an affair with a black woman. And in 2008, the election of Obama ignited an eight year campaign of racist smears at himself, his wife and children.
Pretending that the deepseated racism issues of large sections of the United States are something to solve by targeting marginal organizations with magic spells does injustice to a serious issue.
Also the kkk curse was more me being spiteful and petty than thinking we'd end racism or anything. We'd probably stop a few unjust murders and stuff if we curse them but I didn't think it was anything like solving the countries issues.
Kinda like I mused about cursing Martin shkreli due to the pharma stuff.
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We will not agree on this, ever. And I am saying this as someone expecting to be either homeless, or dead in ten years.
This is just a terrible idea all around. It's not needed, and it alerts wizards to our anima flare.
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They'll think it's what happens when we open a portal to our world.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Which means that there is no reason to warn them about it. Better for them to come to the conclusion that anima flare is a side effect of opening trip themselves. It is also sort of true.
Not to keep stirring the shit, but for the purposes of the quest we do have bigger fish to fry.
Unlike real life, we have to deal with multiple species that eat humans alive, torture them for fun, or some combination of both, and run shadow governments with substantial power over the planet. Which is really only layer one of the supernatural bullshit we're looking at.
Even for an exalt there's only so many hours in a day and so much material support to go around. Everyone who's ever dedicated their lives to a cause has done so at the exclusion of other important issues and we don't implicitly call them small minded, that's just how things work.
You don't need to keep pressing these buttons in a way that will make the quest burn down for the sake of realism or whatever.
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Hmm yeah could just ask uju to change that part.
Fair enough.
But to be clear:
I was in Nigeria when the last military dictator ran the place. I was there during the mass exodus of South Easterners after the 1993 election due to fears of mass civil unrest.
I have people in the country today weathering instability in the SouthEast of the country by a separatist group, and other friends of mine work closer to the states in the North East where Boko Haram activity has forced 3 million people to flee their homes.
I know people who lived through its civil war when up to 20% of the population of the South East died of famine in 3 years.
I am no historian or economist, but I have an informed view of how this sort of thing works on the ground.
So when people tell me how evil dictatorships must be removed regardless of the cost, I have well-founded skepticism that the person talking has no idea of what the actual costs of that sort of thing are to the people and society.
Yes it is.
It costs us 2m to move people to the Brass Courts, and we've already spent 4m in this scene.
We're going to flare anyway.
What we dont want is either of the two combat veterans here reacting to an unexpected occurence.
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It's not the sake of realism so much as they definitely still exist in this world problems don't just go away in this reality. As for time I mean in this specific case the curse takes like a minute out of our time. Not saying we should do it just you know debating that point of time constraints which aren't really there. We could literally do these things while sitting on the couch. But points have been made for why we shouldn't strictly being enjoyment and that's enough reason for me to ignore them.
Now I know cursing all the Yama kings at once is a really bad idea but any chance we should you know maybe curse Emma-O organization? Like long term we want to you know have the original Emma-O resurface no idea if it's even possible but cursing them in the meanwhile especially since we are sorta already enemies is that a bad idea?
Drive by curse magic, really drive by anything, is a bad problem solving method. If you aren't digging into it or supporting an institution that is you're just making whatever situation you're addressing worse, not replacing it with something better.
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Making worse is arguable now doing a mediocre job at making things better is pretty apt as far as the curse stuff goes. I'm just debating the time issue. Also you know from this standpoint it's more mitigating the power of something we dislike that's like it's not fixing an issue but I don't think it's making things worse.
Like the curse was never a fix it's supposed to limit our enemies competence and hopefully cause them to have a few accidents.
Integrated Entertainment
Integrated Entertainment
Among the most widespread of the Syndic-Coprs of Sanctuary, certainly the most powerful of the City of Fountains Integrated Entertainment is also one of the youngest corps, a child of the holo-glyph age, it brings together what had once been unaligned peoples, singers, light sculptors, painters, editors, artists and art critics. Absent the old guild rivalries that stand at the basis of most of its peers it has a refreshingly straightforward, not to say uncommonly sane voting policy, artists hold common voting rights, analysts hold a strong veto power but serve a limited term of a fifty moonturns after which they cannot put their name forward for ten times that span.
Marketing was originally another layer of veto requiring a larger majority to function, but that inefficiency was scrapped early in I. E.'s history with the conclusion that marketing, being a form of persuasion was no less art than any thespian's works. After initial snarls it was found that both fiction and nonfiction works benefited from the merging with individual works being divided and repackaged dozens of different ways to serve distinct audiences.
Like any major corp, even one so young Integrated is not free of scandals from the use of subliminal messaging in advertising to the use of fan mobs as cover for attacks and corporate espionage to uncommonly long auditions for SUTRAs. These were later discovered to be a ploy aimed at harvesting processing power for their own analytics
Still given strong profit margins and a over 90% employee retention margin at last posting the company's future looks bright, especially given the prospect of new stories to be told set in the Beyond as well as the recently announced docu-vid on the life of the Empress, sure to make audiences jack in. Present in all five cities and as the saying goes never more than three clicks away from being in every home at once the company has less in the way of fall-back positions than all of its peers Such company readouts as do exist under the watchful green shadows of the jungle are less designed to endure a serious attack and more at seeing off the bold and the foolish as the corp does brisk trade with those locals willing and able to provide protection. To date no such fortress has fallen. Only time will tell if this remains the case now that they have waded into the murky waters of theology or if this is the start of a negative earnings spiral.
OOC: A very short segment on some of the major players in Sanctuary, not the largest nor the most militarily powerful, but a goos howcase of what the local example of say a wiki page would look like. Of course behind the scenes things can get ugly fast, but this is the company with the most marketing experts among its members.
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Any really famous figures in the entertainment business? Who are still you know active?
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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X] Split up, delegate, what is what you have all these people working for you right?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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If we let them know that we own Red Sun Productions do you think Integrated Entertainment could manage most the legal and corporate work of managing a merger?
Since Molly has leadership, but not really any of the other skills. Which means we are likely best off delegating hard.
Since Molly has leadership, but not really any of the other skills. Which means we are likely best off delegating hard.
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Well, that'll be interesting. Just how true to life will it actually be?
Yes, I'll design ones when it's not so late
That depends on Molly's willingness to share information
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I expect it to be accurate in facts but when you distill a whole life down to a few hours that leaves a huge amount of flexibility in what sort of story you want to tell.
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We can get billions of people supporting Harry/Molly as a ship.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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That is certainly an easy option.
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I wonder what kind of cult followings exist in a world where people can feasibly live thousands of years.
