Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The difference of several minutes or even half an hour should not matter in any way. If Alec and Izzy were dying / getting permanently damaged in that time, Broken Seeker wouldn't have given them to us. Because he had no way of knowing that we would be able to get them (over)qualified magical healing in that time. Just, no way.

They might or might not be fine, but even half an hour of delayed treatment won't cause anything to happen to them. And it would simplify the situation greatly if we took the throne first.

I agree, seriously, we explicitly got an oath from BS to give them back to us in good shape, they are not dying right now, and we are not *ignoring them* by going on the throne, we are making sure that those that are coming will not argue with us and will act quickly to treat them.

Also, I am not sure I would call the act of giving a population of billions their promised time as *self aggrandizement*, would you consider a president taking their oath of office *self aggrandizement*?
 
Just a random second thought about Wan Kuei.

If we help someone turn into a Wan Kuei in the way discussed above, can we turn them back?

More broadly, if we bring a Wan Kuei (or black court vampire, or Red Court infected) to our Hell and they die, do they come back as a mortal or what they currently are?
 
Thats an extraordinary amount of faith in the ability of the naagloshii not to fuck up.
And not even in the naagloshii, but in the naagloshii's minions, since they were the ones who actually deliverd the hostages to Molly at her position.
They're not complete incompetents, unless you have a specific reason to believe there's a problem the real factors we're actually seeing should take precedence.
If you took an entourage to your university graduation ceremony, would you prioritize walking up to the podium over checking on family or friends who were unconscious at the scene? I would hazard not.
Because this is that sort of values question for Molly at this point.
That's the wrong direction here.

One, you don't have any reason to believe they're actually in trouble. We have reason to believe they shouldn't be and Molly is on some level aware they can't come to physical harm here even if they're already injured.

Two, other people are involved here. This is a significant event for them, and our ability to bull through it isn't the same as it being necessary or wise.

Taking a moment to treat the birth of their entire world and fulfillment of their most significant religious prophecies with some sobriety and respect is worth doing instead of acting like a myopic kid.

People can and do die of stupid stuff, but I really doubt DP is going to roll a secret "drowning in their own spit" check and make that the derail for this event.

This is less like prioritizing your graduation than it is choosing to not disrupt a major religious ceremony shouting for paramedics for someone you know is going to be fine for the handful of minutes it'll take for them to finish.

Especially if you consider that working your way through the disruption will likely take as long or longer than doing it the other way.

1)He was being dramatic on the phone. Its a naagloshii, and it gets power from people's pain and fear. When Shagnasty had Lara's sisters in its hands, it did much the same thing by breaking one's arm and biting off anothers finger while talking to Lara.
Even if it didnt have to, it would.
It had a little over 30 minutes to work in and had to deal with getting ready for our drop in. Taking samples is the better play because we can't keep them defended at all times and there's no way to detect that he has them.

If he'd taken them home I'd buy that he'd do more, but Broken Seeker does have limits.

2) If you are knowledgeable and have the time, you can break the connection between samples and your own body.
Binder did this in Turn Coat after he was released from police custody, to prevent Dresden tracking him.
I suppose the same thing can be done for blood
It's not perfect, but it's still a pretty good play and no one has infinite time or resources under pressure.

Layers of contingencies are good, but they take away from other things that need doing too.

But this is all an aside. Right this minute any contingencies he may have set aren't a threat and almost certainly couldn't be removed via first aid. They'll only really get dealt with long after this whole scene.
 
The local traditions have not produced the same broad applications of magic as on earth. Partially due to greater specialization from a systemic study of thaumaturgy and enchanting and partially from a mixing of bloodlines and blessings that is unmatched in the material world pretty much everyone is a sorcerer or 'minor talent', more specialized and narrow in focus than what the White Council would call a wizard. I am not going to say wizards are as strange to the locals as radioactive dinosaur people are to Harry but it is close.
That seems strange.

As I understand Dresdenverse magic, even with preferred specialties, the sheer strength of a skill
The talent is inborn. Thats why you have warlocks spontaneously figure out magic and sometimes break the Seven Laws.
You can bring up the floor, but you cant lower the cap.

I understand why you're trying to do; it was one of my principal concerns with regards to Hell population.
Especially since the White Council dont have anything like a comprehensive schooling system for scouting or training wizard talents, implying there's multiple untrained wizards for every WC wizard and apprentice

But as proposed, this has implications about the commonality of Hell humans and Earth humans.
Prioritize the well-being of billions of people over possible non-guaranteed benefit of her two friends? Yes, she might not like it, but she will.
What well-being?
Can you articulate any harm they are supposed to come to if Molly sees to the welfare of her friends first?

Are they dying? Possibly poisoned? Is someone holding a gun to their heads?
How does Molly immediately climbing a throne improve any of that?

Molly saw to their welfare. They are in a safe environment, comfortable, and in no particular distress as far as anyone can tell. That's "seeing to their welfare".

Also, there's zero chance that medics won't be coming anyway. We are being observed, after all.
Molly hasnt seen to their welfare.
Putting them in chairs isnt seeing to their welfare. They are unconscious, and she lacks the skills to check more.
Hence she should be calling for medics as the first thing on her mind.

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Why are you making the assumption?
Security response yes. Why the assumption that medics are with them if you dont ask for them?
Even more importantly, why would Molly assume that?
 
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So, there's one thing about this that really sticks out to me:
"Life here will begin out there". I didn't write these words, on the velum pages made from my own skin, with ink made of burnt bones of ancient monsters, under the light of candles burning green. In fact, I, nor my parents nor my child and wife, exist at all, as the devils I call forth from the hells unlike this one, and monsters summoned from further still, gleefully tell me. We all are but a backstory to a play yet unwritten, existing as a possibility among an infinity of its peers. They offer me this knowledge freely, gladly, safe in the knowledge that this is not happening. They desire that I despair, break and blaspheme, that I utter oaths unbreakable even if they are, in fact, unspoken, sell myself and all to follow me to their masters for the surety of becoming, and in doing so transform myself into a hidden poison at the heart of my future mistress.

They are fools, who see little, and understand less. They fail to grasp that even as they are safe to speak, so I am safe to question, fearing not to offend the realms they come from by conduct unbecoming, daring to betray ignorance and weakness without terror of discovery. They do not see this time-not as the gift it is, the opportunity to prepare, not one blind chance of history, but the infinity of different past probabilities coming together coming together to craft the perfect future.
People from the Courts have been summoning demons in the time-that-wasn't-and-yet-has-retroactively-always-been. Which means that everyone from outside that has been summoned by the local magic users over the course of the centuries now suddenly remembers it and knows that the summoning is retroactively real. And several of the demons summoned probably have the magical knowledge needed to understand the implications of that and are currently freaking out.

So, with that in mind, how much chaos is currently happening in the magical sphere, not just from the magical fallout of the event, but from those who actually know what that event was? Because all of those summoned beings are definitely going to put two and two together on what that giant magical surge happening at the same time as their summoning becoming retroactively real is.
 
This is a bit of a tangent from the thread, I'll drop it after this, I promise.
Why would you use the Schwarzschild radius in the density calculation for a black hole? I am baffled by the decision to calculate the "density" of the black hole with a formula that looks like black-hole-and-its-range-of-influence.
How else would you define a radius of a black hole than by its event horizon?
Earth has a Schwarzschild radius of 9mm. We do not use this to calculate Earth's density.

I feel like you're doing a little bit of bait-and-switch from using the Schwarzschild radius in the density calculation, to arguing the event horizon as the "radius" abstractly. There's two closely related things that can be called a black hole: one is the object or accumulation of mass that's been compressed so much it fits inside its own Sch-radius, (and therefore is smaller than the Sch-radius), the other is the region around the first thing where the escape velocity exceeds lightspeed.

Objects in the outer part of the second region will be sucked into the first blob and heavily compressed. The first blob is the thing that should have a "density", IMO. I don't know how to measure it, but that's what I'd define the density by. The second region is a range based on gravitational strength, not really an object with a meaningful density to talk about.
 
What well-being?
Can you articulate any harm they are supposed to come to if Molly sees to the welfare of her friends first?

Are they dying? Possibly poisoned? Is someone holding a gun to their heads?
How does Molly immediately climbing a throne improve any of that?
Mental anguish is still suffering and harm. This is the equivalent of the second coming of Christ to this people. I am ot doing anything to disrupt it if I can.

Why are you making the assumption?
Why do you think Broken Seeker (who, I remind you, I a divine teacher of medicine men, ie a healer by profession) is an utter moron and incompetent?
 
This is a bit of a tangent from the thread, I'll drop it after this, I promise.

Earth has a Schwarzschild radius of 9mm. We do not use this to calculate Earth's density.

I feel like you're doing a little bit of bait-and-switch from using the Schwarzschild radius in the density calculation, to arguing the event horizon as the "radius" abstractly. There's two closely related things that can be called a black hole: one is the object or accumulation of mass that's been compressed so much it fits inside its own Sch-radius, (and therefore is smaller than the Sch-radius), the other is the region around the first thing where the escape velocity exceeds lightspeed.

Objects in the outer part of the second region will be sucked into the first blob and heavily compressed. The first blob is the thing that should have a "density", IMO. I don't know how to measure it, but that's what I'd define the density by. The second region is a range based on gravitational strength, not really an object with a meaningful density to talk about.
First of all, it's not me doing this, I am quoting Wikipedia. Secondly, black holes are different from planets or other stellar objects due to having observable event horizon. We don't and can't know what's inside, which is why defining a black hole by its Schwarzschild radius is meaningful. This makes sense to me.
 
Fivefold Courts of Fate Wetlands Fauna
Wetlands Fauna

The hunter whose eyes are ever on the Kite-Wing on the horizon will miss the Snuffler Burrow and the mire both
-Root Walker Proverb

Boasting some of the greatest bio-diversity of all the Forested Regions the Eastern swamplands are nonetheless some of the least explored portions of the planet, owing in part to the dark rumours of exiled sorcerers and twisted beasts and partly due to the much more mundane and no less terrifying prospect of water and airborne parasites which have adapted to exploit their hosts as much as possible before they expire and become host to the equally ferocious decomposers. It is no wonder then that many species of these lush and unique domains remain mysterious even to the zoologists of the Tri-Partite Academy, much less to the general public. The advantages of possessing a shell of bronze and iron not feeble flesh and brittle bone allow me to venture further.. Here follows a selection of beasts I encountered in my travels.


The Krahibute or 'soft wings' are small frugivores which survive by their wits, their stealth of soft blunt wings and their symbiosis with the poisonous purple mould that stains their feathers. They are not born with it, instead each colony raises a batch of the mould in pools made of leaves and detritus into which they bathe their young when they are half-moon old. These actions may at times seem ritualistic, a mark of abstract thought, but as of yet no thaumic resonance has been discovered giving lie to the superstitions of the locals who claim that they 'guide one to good fortune'.


At first glance one might mistake the Sqepdalte for any number of molusk-eating behemoth-kin which slipped the bonds of land for the slow waterways, but this is a creature with a secret, having learned to take advantage of the varying salinity and other dissolved primal substances on waters that flow from the Border Woods to hunt Riptide Molluscs without rupturing their shells and unleashing the pressure differential that makes them so deadly and, not incidentally a preferred weapon of certain swamp tribes, though the effect is far less pronounced in air than in water. Indeed the tribe known as 'the Sqepdaltes' is famed for having defeated a larger and wealthier rival by having spiked their entire supply of Riptide Molusks in a daring raid.


Among the most prolific fishers of the Sliverloade Vale the Fletevrapues is almost assuredly the result of magical tampering, its kinship to pitcher plants only in evidence in its taste for blood, but where the pitcher plant is content to let the prey come for it in its own time the Fletevrapues will actively hunt down creatures smaller then themselves to drain dry with their proboscis. Though blood is poor in nutrients compared to the flesh they leave to be devoured by others in the water or on the riverbank they are adapted to only feed on it and only when it is red. It is theorized that these beasts were crafted by a mad magician to steal the blood of invading soldiers and deliver it to its master for some grand curse against them. Though their master is long dead they have found their place on the river-side where they are often followed by dozens of mid-sized scavengers many of which will attack anything which seems to pose a threat to the Leaf Walker

OOC: Here are three more examples of local fauna from the more earth-like regions
 
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But as proposed, this has implications about the commonality of Hell humans and Earth humans.
The population page does specify that everyone is so mixed that the lines can get academic.

You could just fluff it as the constant mixing binding up most people's talents in so many different directions that they struggle with being coherent enough to reach wizard tier. Similar to the mechanism that makes strong talents rarer for species like whamps.

That, or make it cultural. It's also noted that humans in the fivefold courts are big on cybernetics and the like. In this era tech and magic don't mix well. They got around it eventually, but the base rule still makes anyone with significant implants weaker and almost everyone has at least a few very young.


Alternatively, let them show up at the normal rate but tweak the reincarnation rules for strong magical entities. A human life only extends so long, and when a thousand year old wizard bites it from age they go to the end of the line.

By "coincidence" similar to the way the ecosystem auto balances the slots for strong wizards balance out to a ratio similar to earth for the same number of humans. Since humans are only 35% of the population here that global number is actually less than those present on earth, but potentially more than the council has around because they're easier to find and train.

The throttle on our access to them would be the same as the one on many of the other entities present here; if they're really powerful and competent they're also occupied doing important stuff.

They'd like to help, but we need to invest X equitable effort to free them up enough to do so.

Thoughts @DragonParadox ?
So, with that in mind, how much chaos is currently happening in the magical sphere, not just from the magical fallout of the event, but from those who actually know what that event was? Because all of those summoned beings are definitely going to put two and two together on what that giant magical surge happening at the same time as their summoning becoming retroactively real is.
My bet is that the only entities able to be involved in that bit are the classes of spirit that are already atemporal to some extent, like the Loa Harry summons for information sometimes.

So the question becomes how common retroactive timeline updates are for them in general.

This is a big deal either way, but if smaller scale spontaneous emergences are known to happen already then it's more a scale than kind thing.
 
That seems strange.

As I understand Dresdenverse magic, even with preferred specialties, the sheer strength of a skill
The talent is inborn. Thats why you have warlocks spontaneously figure out magic and sometimes break the Seven Laws.
You can bring up the floor, but you cant lower the cap.

I understand why you're trying to do; it was one of my principal concerns with regards to Hell population.
Especially since the White Council dont have anything like a comprehensive schooling system for scouting or training wizard talents, implying there's multiple untrained wizards for every WC wizard and apprentice

But as proposed, this has implications about the commonality of Hell humans and Earth humans.

I am aware of that, the implications are intended, I cannot say more without spoilers.


The idea that everyone would be a scion by material world standards is accurate, implants probably also play a role, though less because technology itself is somehow bad for wizardry but because they all have to be hardened against magic, which means they all have to be some kind of spirit which tends to alter the magic of the bearer.

WoD Werewolf*in front of conspiracy board*: It is fomori they are all fomori :V
 
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The question then becomes whether or not there is potential there that is just getting shaped in such a way as to preclude wizardry.

If we could get wizard training introduced, then could wizards start showing up/developing?
 
They're not complete incompetents, unless you have a specific reason to believe there's a problem the real factors we're actually seeing should take precedence.
I have no reason to assume competence in this field.
Taking prisoners that they release unharmed is not something they have any sort of practice at.
Or something I think Seeker trained them for.

That's the wrong direction here.
One, you don't have any reason to believe they're actually in trouble. We have reason to believe they shouldn't be and Molly is on some level aware they can't come to physical harm here even if they're already injured.

Two, other people are involved here. This is a significant event for them, and our ability to bull through it isn't the same as it being necessary or wise.

Taking a moment to treat the birth of their entire world and fulfillment of their most significant religious prophecies with some sobriety and respect is worth doing instead of acting like a myopic kid.

People can and do die of stupid stuff, but I really doubt DP is going to roll a secret "drowning in their own spit" check and make that the derail for this event.

This is less like prioritizing your graduation than it is choosing to not disrupt a major religious ceremony shouting for paramedics for someone you know is going to be fine for the handful of minutes it'll take for them to finish.
Especially if you consider that working your way through the disruption will likely take as long or longer than doing it the other way.
1) Yes I do: They are still unconscious.
That is a significant medical symptom under the circumstances; its not normal to remain unconscious after having been moved by two different sets of people across three or four different environments.

2)Their convenience does not trump Molly's friends lives IC.
The coronation of Prince Charles into King Charles would not have trumped one of the guests having a medical condition.

3)We know no such thing because we have Medicine 0, and didnt examine the victims.
And it isnt right to assume that the QM will arrange a safety net for us after giving us the option to vote to handle an issue.

It had a little over 30 minutes to work in and had to deal with getting ready for our drop in. Taking samples is the better play because we can't keep them defended at all times and there's no way to detect that he has them.

If he'd taken them home I'd buy that he'd do more, but Broken Seeker does have limits.
1)No, it had at least 90 minutes, which was the duration from the Monoc base to the place where we captured Hank.
And given that this was a prepared snatch job that was prefaced by weeks of scouting, there was more than enough room for prepared magical measures, just like someone like Dresden would do.

More, because Senior Council-tier magical heavyweight with the knowledge of thousands of years.


2) Sure he has limits.
But he had days if not weeks of preptime, and assistants.
There's a reason I worried about his contingencies.

It's not perfect, but it's still a pretty good play and no one has infinite time or resources under pressure.

Layers of contingencies are good, but they take away from other things that need doing too.
But this is all an aside. Right this minute any contingencies he may have set aren't a threat and almost certainly couldn't be removed via first aid. They'll only really get dealt with long after this whole scene.
Its been scouting us for at least three weeks.
It had days to plan, assuming that said planning started after we started going to the Monoc base five days ago.

Mental anguish is still suffering and harm. This is the equivalent of the second coming of Christ to this people. I am ot doing anything to disrupt it if I can.
1)You're seriously arguing a delay at mounting a throne as mental anguish.
Im talking the potential for death or disability and you are arguing mental anguish as an argument to delay medical attention to our friends.


2) Thats not how this works.

Of relevance to Molly and her Catholic upbringing, Christian theology has multiple instances of Christ interrupting his ministry to other people to see to the care of a single person. He certainly appeared to his disciples first after resurrection before going to see his Father who had him resurrected or the hosts of heaven.

Respectfully.
If you are going to appropriate the trappings of Christian theology to support your argument, note what it prioritizes.


Why do you think Broken Seeker (who, I remind you, I a divine teacher of medicine men, ie a healer by profession) is an utter moron and incompetent?
1) Medicine man in Native American contexts apparently applies to magic and spiritual healing.Not medicine.

The Medicine-Man of the American Indian and his Cultural Background - Nature

AN unfortunate currency given to the popular term ‘medicine man’ to designate the shaman or priest-magician of the Amerindian tribes has given rise to much misunderstanding as to the true function of this important figure in the Indian social organism. Although the healing art comes within his...
AN unfortunate currency given to the popular term 'medicine man' to designate the shaman or priest-magician of the Amerindian tribes has given rise to much misunderstanding as to the true function of this important figure in the Indian social organism. Although the healing art comes within his province, his theory and practice are based on psychology and theology rather than on pathology and pharmacology.
For another, we dont know what Seeker helped teach.
Magic? Reasonable. Theology? Reasonable.
Mortal medicine? No evidence for that.


2) I think he doesnt like mortals. I think he enjoys hurting them.
And I think his minions, who did the actual handover and most of the scutwork, have no skill at caring for mortals because that is not what he trained them for

I certainly would not delay medical care for ppl I care for based on their alleged competence.
 
The question then becomes whether or not there is potential there that is just getting shaped in such a way as to preclude wizardry.
If we could get wizard training introduced, then could wizards start showing up/developing?
Thats not how its supposed to work.

Nothing external overrides that talent; the only thing in ExWoD are Exaltation and transformation into another supernatural species like vampires and werewolves. In Dresden Files, even those dont take away your wizardry; we've seen vampire wizards of two colors, Red, Black, who used to be human and kept the skills after dying.

Saints used to be people who used both wizardry and faith magic.
We've seen Dresden as a ghost wizard, even.
Its like an unstated rule.

There's something very hinky going on.
 
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I have no reason to assume competence in this field.
Taking prisoners that they release unharmed is not something they have any sort of practice at.
Or something I think Seeker trained them for.
So nothing then. I doubt we're going to suddenly discover everyone is an idiot.
There's a reason I worried about his contingencies.
His contingencies can't be addressed until long after this event. The paramedics can't help with this.

This competence gradient you're proposing is particularly weird to me.

Broken Seeker can't tell when he's about to sell bad goods to an infernal but can rig layers of dangerous contingencies while also doing a dozen other things in a short period of time.

These high level contingencies are immediately dangerous because they might go off at any time, despite that not being useful to BS, and can also be removed by paramedics.

As to them still being unconscious; this isn't real life, there's supernatural bullshit involved.

Unless Broken Seeker is swallow-his-own-tongue-and-die stupid he wouldn't have set things up to immediately screw himself like this.

If we're trusting his untold ages of senior council tier magic for mega curses I figure we can trust it to put some teenagers to sleep for a bit.
 
Nothing external overrides that talent
I was talking more about stuff like Charity letting her talent wither away combined with bloodlines granting a focus. Plus, magical capability even with the potential is influenced by your beliefs. If they had no image of a wizard to inspire anyone toward while other possibilities were being presented to anyone who could have developed that way, then I could see people who might have been able to be wizards instead becoming more specialized talents.

Wizards are rare even with the White Council around.
 
1) Medicine man in Native American contexts apparently applies to magic and spiritual healing.Not medicine.

The Medicine-Man of the American Indian and his Cultural Background - Nature

AN unfortunate currency given to the popular term ‘medicine man’ to designate the shaman or priest-magician of the Amerindian tribes has given rise to much misunderstanding as to the true function of this important figure in the Indian social organism. Although the healing art comes within his...
Well, yes/ He is a magical healer, not a normal one. Identifying what's wrong with the patient is still part of the process. Magic is real in the setting, or did you forget that? He almost certainly knows and/or taught medical applications of magic (probably Fortune path and the like at least, almost certainly forms of alchemy).

And this still leaves aside how he has superhuman senses and a very intimate knowledge of the human body (from intellectus for inflicting pain, thousands of years of sadism and torture, and shapeshifting knowledge).
For another, we dont know what Seeker helped teach.
Magic? Reasonable. Theology? Reasonable.
Mortal medicine? No evidence for that.
You are making separation where none exists.
2) I think he doesnt like mortals. I think he enjoys hurting them.
And I think his minions, who did the actual handover and most of the scutwork, have no skill at caring for mortals because that is not what he trained them for

I certainly would not delay medical care for ppl I care for based on their alleged competence.
I think he likes us and doesn't want us to come after him with a flaming sword after he gave away all the leverage he had.

Look, he gave Izzy and Alec to us. That's a fact. He had no way to know that we would be able to give them over-the-top medical treatment in next several minutes. That's also a fact. Now, assuming they were in a medical emergency condition, where half an hour matters, there are two possibilities:
1) Broken Seeker didn't notice. This is very improbably. He's a thousand years old divine being with intimate knowledge of human body and superior senses.
2) He knew and still gave them to us. That's even more improbable, as he would know that we'll come after him.
This competence gradient you're proposing is particularly weird to me.

Broken Seeker can't tell when he's about to sell bad goods to an infernal but can rig layers of dangerous contingencies while also doing a dozen other things in a short period of time.
The enemy is simultaneously strong enough to be an existential threat and weak enough to be ready to break is a propaganda descriptor, not a good debating position. Broken Seeker is not stupid. Not that good at social stuff when pitted against social aspect exalt, but then who is?
 
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Aug 11, 2023 at 5:48 PM, finished with 279 posts and 40 votes.

  • [X] Ascend the Throne, he's right you can handle the rest of this later, but if people are waiting, if people are watching they should see a ruler, not a confused girl
    [X] First thing's first, get Izzy and Alec to some kind of medical facility, you can deal with the rest of this later.
    [x] Plan Taking Charge and Status Report
    -[x] Ascend the Throne, he's right you can handle the rest of this later, but if people are waiting, if people are watching they should see a ruler, not a confused girl
    --[x] Have Usum (or someone else, if someone more suitable for the task arrives in the interim) command for healers to be brought to the throne room to attend to Alec and Izzy, and particularly to look for any nasty surprises the Naagloshii may have left (curses, toxins, etc.)
    ---[x] Have them inform her immediately if there is any change in their condition, including anything that would herald them regaining consciousness.
    --[x] While she waits, ask Usum (or if someone like a minister or something arrives, ask them) if there is anything that requires her immediate attention, as well as for a brief summary of the current goings-on within the Fivefold Courts.
    [X] Roll down some screens -you know how to do that somehow- figure out what is going on from a non-Usum perspective
    [X] Ascend the Throne, he's right you can handle the rest of this later, but if people are waiting, if people are watching they should see a ruler, not a confused girl
    -[x] Activate Leadership Excellency.
 
[X] First thing's first, get Izzy and Alec to some kind of medical facility, you can deal with the rest of this later.

If the realm is watching, then we should show them (and Harry and our Dad) that caring for others should come before the projection of power.
 
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