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She has already showed an instinctive familiarity with her Hell. She will know that they are safe.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
All right, given the last clarification and previous clarifications on that we would actually already have required authority, I now lean to the side of calling for medical first.
Pondering the clarified questions,
Bonus PR points as showing caring character won't hurt, I don't see Molly ever needing to lean into authoritative ruler/deity image, the Realm worships her and runs itself.
[X] First thing's first, get Izzy and Alec to some kind of medical facility, you can deal with the rest of this later.
Edit: Though I wouldn't mind the Throne, but eh, guess we won't be getting 2nd update today.
Pondering the clarified questions,
I think Izzy and Alec definitely need medical help, if just to check that they are alright, and doubly so in case something is actually not good, and that putting friends' well-being before power is closer to Molly's character, on that I agree with uju32.
Bonus PR points as showing caring character won't hurt, I don't see Molly ever needing to lean into authoritative ruler/deity image, the Realm worships her and runs itself.
[X] First thing's first, get Izzy and Alec to some kind of medical facility, you can deal with the rest of this later.
Edit: Though I wouldn't mind the Throne, but eh, guess we won't be getting 2nd update today.
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I find the idea that a difference of at most what 2 minutes at most of them getting aid hilariously over paranoid.
Reminder we have Dresden right their, as well to combat any spell that tries anything to them. And Micheal with true faith as well if things go really bad in the seconds between the magictech doctors arrival. And worse case we just hard buy counter spell, and fix the problem ourselves, if things get that bad the local doctors won't be able to save them either way.
Reminder we have Dresden right their, as well to combat any spell that tries anything to them. And Micheal with true faith as well if things go really bad in the seconds between the magictech doctors arrival. And worse case we just hard buy counter spell, and fix the problem ourselves, if things get that bad the local doctors won't be able to save them either way.
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Given as she is being introduced to things?I doubt it.
Will she know eventually yes.
And if she doesnt know it now, its not a factor in her decisionmaking now.
If you had unconscious friends or family, you dont know why they are unconscious, or how healthy they are?
Would you call your job first?
Or 911?
You obviously have never had to deal with anyone in a medical emergency.
If you did, you wouldnt be talking.
Dresden is not a medical wizard, and claims zero expertise in the area.
Michael has True Faith, but he is not a DnD cleric.
@DragonParadox question on something.
How does Molly's archfiend vibe interact with her hell? It is a hell, but the people here aren't exactly steeped in sin or prone to accepting the sort of entities you'd see out of the thousand hells that read like she does.
Does it being her own soul mean she just reads like the background environment or something and therefore seems normal to them?
From the crafting guide: here
Granted, you basically end up with a pricy bag of holding since it doesn't come with a lot of interest unless you spend points on other stuff, and there are no people, but still.
Incidentally, even if we have to put effort into getting game relevant resources out I hope we can get flavor stuff without issue.
It'd be entertaining to do stuff like add clothes woven of giant hedgehog wool to Molly's civilian closet, make a quick trip in the mornings to pick up traditional City of Fountains pastries for the whole Carpenter family as breakfast some weekends, or take a thermos of a new flavor of "imported" tea to class every day.
Bet it'd be a hoot to see the Jawas go through a pack of coloring books and whatever the fivefold courts consider age appropriate edutainment too, assuming Charity would let us live afterwards.
More to the point, handing them over damaged would screw over Broken Seeker. I absolutely believe he's a treacherous bastard, but he's going to look out for his own interests. When he sticks the knife in he'll do it with a specific plan to get something he wants.
Even if I'm wrong though the fastest way to get real help here is to proceed with the event we're in.
Doing it the other way around just adds a layer to the situation where they work through confusion and surprise without having any particular reason to listen to or care about Molly's opinion until after they figure out who we are.
For reasons related to how the reincarnation mechanism works they also have a robust system for treating health problems more conventionally.
They've got magic mixed up in it too, so we're talking healthcare so great you can get a 10x life extension out of it. Handling that in the broad case will probably be a whole issue, but in this small local one it might be worthwhile as a consolation prize to Izzy and Alec.
How does Molly's archfiend vibe interact with her hell? It is a hell, but the people here aren't exactly steeped in sin or prone to accepting the sort of entities you'd see out of the thousand hells that read like she does.
Does it being her own soul mean she just reads like the background environment or something and therefore seems normal to them?
From the crafting guide: here
Granted, you basically end up with a pricy bag of holding since it doesn't come with a lot of interest unless you spend points on other stuff, and there are no people, but still.
In our case being a highly populated planet realm with lots of resources has a similar potential role as the ways do for Winter, though game balance might make that awkward.
Incidentally, even if we have to put effort into getting game relevant resources out I hope we can get flavor stuff without issue.
It'd be entertaining to do stuff like add clothes woven of giant hedgehog wool to Molly's civilian closet, make a quick trip in the mornings to pick up traditional City of Fountains pastries for the whole Carpenter family as breakfast some weekends, or take a thermos of a new flavor of "imported" tea to class every day.
Bet it'd be a hoot to see the Jawas go through a pack of coloring books and whatever the fivefold courts consider age appropriate edutainment too, assuming Charity would let us live afterwards.
I'm willing to extend some basic trust on this one. We roll without untrained penalties, because exalts, so Molly with 0 medicine is good enough to notice if they're in danger.
More to the point, handing them over damaged would screw over Broken Seeker. I absolutely believe he's a treacherous bastard, but he's going to look out for his own interests. When he sticks the knife in he'll do it with a specific plan to get something he wants.
Even if I'm wrong though the fastest way to get real help here is to proceed with the event we're in.
Doing it the other way around just adds a layer to the situation where they work through confusion and surprise without having any particular reason to listen to or care about Molly's opinion until after they figure out who we are.
If you look back at the population fluff, that sort of thing is called out as a relatively new and extreme sort of medicine.
For reasons related to how the reincarnation mechanism works they also have a robust system for treating health problems more conventionally.
They've got magic mixed up in it too, so we're talking healthcare so great you can get a 10x life extension out of it. Handling that in the broad case will probably be a whole issue, but in this small local one it might be worthwhile as a consolation prize to Izzy and Alec.
The difference of several minutes or even half an hour should not matter in any way. If Alec and Izzy were dying / getting permanently damaged in that time, Broken Seeker wouldn't have given them to us. Because he had no way of knowing that we would be able to get them (over)qualified magical healing in that time. Just, no way.
They might or might not be fine, but even half an hour of delayed treatment won't cause anything to happen to them. And it would simplify the situation greatly if we took the throne first.
They might or might not be fine, but even half an hour of delayed treatment won't cause anything to happen to them. And it would simplify the situation greatly if we took the throne first.
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- washington
hmm nah they could be in magical nightmares where they face all the pain they feel in their dream
Oh she feels perfectly normal here, if very very powerful, but that is not because her aura changes in any way. This is the world soul of an infernal, everything here feels like hell to magical senses.
Harry is getting an eyeful.
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Was re-reading update, stumbled upon this, @DragonParadox, is the crown here
a thing of magic light / our anima, or is it a physical object / part of our Shintai armor?
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- washington
I'm gonna note if harry opens his sight here he should probably go insane.
This is your shintai, it comes with a helmet, so yes perfectly solid
Nah, still less dangerous than looking at Molly as she was opening the portal for the first time or for that matter soul-gazing her. This palace would just look generally disturbing in subtly terrifying ways. Now if he decided to walk through the Labyrinth with his Sight open... he really should not, let's leave it at that.
He also didn't need to do anything special to set up his next trick.
Recall that he audibly snipped off some of Izzy's hair when we were talking to him. He had plenty of time to get hair and blood from both, which means he can curse the shit out of them at his leisure.
Considering how little time he had between the grab and our arrival I doubt he set anything too elaborate up beyond that. It's unnecessary and would give the game away.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Makes me wonder how a denizen of our Hell will feel when we bring them to Earth. Would it be like someone who has lived underground their entire lives suddenly being exposed to open sky, as if stumbling into an endless void fit to swallow them whole?
For one who has known the loving embrace of Molly's power their entire life, it's sudden absence could be quite jarring.
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Honestly getting them new bodies if that won't prevent them exiting with Molly is probably for the best. Remove any magical link floating out their in the world.
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- Earth
People stay dead when they die here? What hell is this?
Unless they somehow die of magical-tracker-poisoning that will not work. A new pass of the Wheel fixes whatever killed you, it does not return you to a platonic ideal.
Thats an extraordinary amount of faith in the ability of the naagloshii not to fuck up.
And not even in the naagloshii, but in the naagloshii's minions, since they were the ones who actually deliverd the hostages to Molly at her position.
I mean, if they had banged one of our friend's heads into the van floor/side by accident and caused a cerebral bleed, would they have noticed? If they noticed, would they have shrugged it off as just a bump?
If one of them was having a bad reaction to the incapacitating drug or its dosage when unconscious, would they have noticed?
Because as I see it:
If this was just magic enchantment, there was no reason why the naagloshii or its minions would not have removed it when they handed them over.
Worse, this is Molly.
Some of her friends were drug addicts. She has better personal reason than most people to worry when people dont wake up after being under some sort of influence.
The nonchalance you expect her to display is a little surprising to me.
If you took an entourage to your university graduation ceremony, would you prioritize walking up to the podium over checking on family or friends who were unconscious at the scene? I would hazard not.
Because this is that sort of values question for Molly at this point.
If we are talking values, she was told, and knows, that billions of people are watching this very moment and see her as their savior, creator and deity.
It's not non-chalance, it's "not extreme paranoia and rational resource allocation". Again, a difference of a few minutes is unlikely to matter. If nothing else, Broken Seeker has good enough senses, mundane and otherwise, to notice any possible injury, and is not an idiot. Give him some credit at least.
We have made our friends comfortable, they are in the safe environment, neither Harry, who has magical senses, nor Michael (who would have been warned by Amoracchius) are immediately panicking over them, Molly has ATB on, if I recall correctly, and isn't noticing anything of immediate concern.
2 people you know that by all appearances are currently fine, if not ideal. Does not equal the some 5 billion that are about to undergo the biggest event of their entire history. Frankly even taking the throne, and delivering an legendary speech we would be luck to keep the death toll under 5 figures.
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1)He was being dramatic on the phone. Its a naagloshii, and it gets power from people's pain and fear. When Shagnasty had Lara's sisters in its hands, it did much the same thing by breaking one's arm and biting off anothers finger while talking to Lara.
Even if it didnt have to, it would.
2) If you are knowledgeable and have the time, you can break the connection between samples and your own body.
Binder did this in Turn Coat after he was released from police custody, to prevent Dresden tracking him.
I suppose the same thing can be done for blood.
3)To quote you: Contingencies.
QUESTION
Actual question that you have to work out: How many wizards are there in Molly's Hell?
Even assuming that only a third of the population are human, assuming just the same incidence as there are on Earth, you are still looking at more wizards than there are in the White Council.
And Im not counting the lesser sorcerers that the White Council refuses to enroll. Or the talents.
You are going to have to figure out how that affects your setting.
Especially with immortality in play.
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- Dallas Texas
Well, the death toll will probably be at 0 figures, since there is no way to really die and the City of Endings doesn't rush its rituals
So what does it say that she leaves her friends without seeing to their welfare? If we are worrying about first impressions, what does it say that we prioritize personal aggrandizement over them?
These people are not going to be hurt by a delay. Molly's friends might.
Yes it is.
Molly was disturbed enough about their welfare to spontaneously manifest her Inner Hell.
Yet you are arguing that she will prioritize formality and ceremony, over making sure her friends get prompt medical attention.
Molly. Who is explicitly described, by Dresden of all people, as having a problem with authority.
Harry is not a medical doctor.
And Michael's Amoracchius Does Not Work That Way.
Nor is it here right now.
Molly does not have ATB on in this scene, and even if she did, Medicine 0.
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We didnt even physically examine them; we just looked them over.
We dont have the skill to examine them, because we have Medicine 0. And we are out of service area, so Clippy cant cover for us by connecting to the Internet.
Stop making this claim; its not true.
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- Norway
Why would you use the Schwarzschild radius in the density calculation for a black hole? I am baffled by the decision to calculate the "density" of the black hole with a formula that looks like black-hole-and-its-range-of-influence.
The local traditions have not produced the same broad applications of magic as on earth. Partially due to greater specialization from a systemic study of thaumaturgy and enchanting and partially from a mixing of bloodlines and blessings that is unmatched in the material world pretty much everyone is a sorcerer or 'minor talent', more specialized and narrow in focus than what the White Council would call a wizard. I am not going to say wizards are as strange to the locals as radioactive dinosaur people are to Harry but it is close.
Prioritize the well-being of billions of people over possible non-guaranteed benefit of her two friends? Yes, she might not like it, but she will.
Molly saw to their welfare. They are in a safe environment, comfortable, and in no particular distress as far as anyone can tell. That's "seeing to their welfare".
Also, there's zero chance that medics won't be coming anyway. We are being observed, after all.
How else would you define a radius of a black hole than by its event horizon?