Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I mean sure, but with enough technology and especially with excellency you can do the survival game thing where you start with banging rocks and end with supercomputers. If you cheat yeah you can make a phone, but it would not be a custom one of a kind super smartphone that an ecalt rolling 12 odd technology dice can make.
It helps that we will literally always have the tools we need.

Having to go out and find our own lithography machine to make microchips would be... challenging.
 
The only way we're making anything worthwhile on the topic of stuff like phones is if we put a barrel of ice water in front of a workbench where we work and stand in it to receive buffs from Without Honour due to being in a cold environment.

It would probably be obvious to our siblings.
 
And we're tied.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jul 21, 2022 at 4:20 PM, finished with 113 posts and 30 votes.
 
And we're tied.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jul 21, 2022 at 4:20 PM, finished with 113 posts and 30 votes.
Fitting it would be a close vote honestly.

That said one way lies the classic YA protagonist route...
 
Just pointing this out but... Molly totally is the kind of person who speaks out past curfew in the middle of the night, she has been doing that since middle school. It's no less in character to go behind Charity's back than it is to leave. As for God well it is a sin to lie but it is not on the level of breaking a promise an archangel asked of you. Molly presumes that God has a sense of proportion, especially since as far as she is concerned her motives are pure.
Worth noting how her recent history plays into all this.
She knew a wizard was a friend of her father's, but because she was hiding her magic from her mother, she couldnt approach him for advice when her magic showed up and began to manifest.

You can draw a direct line from that imposed ignorance to her using magic on her two friends to force them to abandon drugs without an understanding of the consequences, and from there to the Eldest Fetch, hanging on a tree in Arctis Tor and the threat of Warden decapitation for breaking the Laws of Magic.

She's not going to say it to her mother's face, because she loves the woman, but its certainly going to weigh on her thinking.
I mean sure, but with enough technology and especially with excellency you can do the survival game thing where you start with banging rocks and end with supercomputers. If you cheat yeah you can make a phone, but it would not be a custom one of a kind super smartphone that an exalt rolling 12 odd technology dice can make.
I wouldnt call it cheating.
Smiths dont refine their own base metal or mine their own coal. Tailors dont make their own thread or dye. Many Exalts in Creation didnt refine their own magical materials.

We're even in the range where its should be in theory possible for Molly to summon and bargain with a spirit to apply the magical enchantment part of constructing something for her, depending on how you choose to apply magic in this continuity. Just like Dresden leaned hard on Bob for the skill involved in making Little Chicago as a focus.
 
And even if we accept, I am expecting a lot of willingness to "compromise", is merely continuing her habit of sneaking out instead of approaching the problem head on.

If I understand it right.
 
Worth noting how her recent history plays into all this.
She knew a wizard was a friend of her father's, but because she was hiding her magic from her mother, she couldnt approach him for advice when her magic showed up and began to manifest.

You can draw a direct line from that imposed ignorance to her using magic on her two friends to force them to abandon drugs without an understanding of the consequences, and from there to the Eldest Fetch, hanging on a tree in Arctis Tor and the threat of Warden decapitation for breaking the Laws of Magic.

She's not going to say it to her mother's face, because she loves the woman, but its certainly going to weigh on her thinking.

I wouldnt call it cheating.
Smiths dont refine their own base metal or mine their own coal. Tailors dont make their own thread or dye. Many Exalts in Creation didnt refine their own magical materials.

We're even in the range where its should be in theory possible for Molly to summon and bargain with a spirit to apply the magical enchantment part of constructing something for her, depending on how you choose to apply magic in this continuity. Just like Dresden leaned hard on Bob for the skill involved in making Little Chicago as a focus.

You guys would have to do the equivalent of buying dots in summoning and binding linear magic and/or the ancient sorcery spell spell Emerald Spirit Binding. Right now Molly has plenty of raw occult lore, but she has no idea how to do anything with essence other than invoke her crown or her charms.

And even if we accept, I am expecting a lot of willingness to "compromise", is merely continuing her habit of sneaking out instead of approaching the problem head on.

If I understand it right.

Not necessarily, that will be for another vote, it can also be stewing in resentment. The one thing it will not be is contentment of any sort.
 
You guys would have to do the equivalent of buying dots in summoning and binding linear magic and/or the ancient sorcery spell spell Emerald Spirit Binding. Right now Molly has plenty of raw occult lore, but she has no idea how to do anything with essence other than invoke her crown or her charms.
We kind of need Essence rating first imo, but Emerald Binding is a good purchase after it.

That or Sapphire Banishment, either or.
 
Genuinely torn on this one.

On the one hand, I think throwing away her family's support just because they won't meet her halfway is a really, really dumb decision. Forget teaching from Michael, forget not having to worry about where the next meal is coming from, say goodbye to easy access to resources for kickstarting our crafting… there are so many reasons why I wouldn't do this.

On the other hand, this isn't me making the choice, it's Molly. And Molly absolutely would refuse to compromise, and choose freedom over having even the slightest restriction on her freedom - that's who she is, and I imagine Cracked Cell Circumvention has done nothing whatsoever to change that viewpoint.

Therefore, in the full knowledge that this is a really stupid choice, but also that it's a completely IC one:

[X] You can't... you just can't... leave.
 
What if we chose craft(minecrafting) and became a minecraft youtuber and earned money that way, only problem is minecraft doesn't come out until 2013... who wants to enslave an acausal demon and have it possess notch in order get minecraft released 7 years early.
for anyone too serious this is a joke
 
So just to spitball...

Crash on Harry's couch?

Go to Mcanallys?

I dont really think hiding in a dumpster or something is a good idea.

We could stay with some of our... normal friends? We have those right?
 
On the one hand, I think throwing away her family's support just because they won't meet her halfway is a really, really dumb decision. Forget teaching from Michael, forget not having to worry about where the next meal is coming from, say goodbye to easy access to resources for kickstarting our crafting… there are so many reasons why I wouldn't do this.
Not being at home doesn't necessarily mean we don't get tutoring from Micheal. God just agreed to put it on his to do list, so I think it'll get done.

I also think it'll be better for crafting because staying means choosing house arrest. Charity auditing what we do is definitely going to limit our ability to craft useful stuff.

There are complications, but I don't think it's going to be any more of a problem than trying to get a sign permission slip from Molly's parents every time we want to try something.

My bet would be reaching out to the white council. They have safe houses everywhere, including in town. Offer to pay rent in vampire skulls until we reconcile with Charity.
 
There is also a charm you could use to bind spirits to your service. It's even Lanka so only 9 XP, but well it has some issues, some practical and some character/moral

Crowned With Fury (•••)
Concentrating her implacable will upon another, the Infernal crushes her target's psyche with a display of her hellish glory. Green flames creep from her eyes and mouth whenever she commands her newly-suborned lackey, forming a blazing crown that burns above her head while she speaks.
System: Spend 2 Essence and roll Charisma + Leadership (difficulty of the target's Willpower). Success transforms the target into the Infernal's obedient servant. The more successes rolled, the longer the target's servitude lasts, as per the chart below:

Result Duration
Botch Subject cannot be targeted by this Charm
for the rest of the story.
Failure Subject cannot be targeted by this Charm
again in the current scene.
1 One hour
2 One day
3 One week
4 One month
5 One year
The target can resist a command from the Infernal for a scene, but doing so causes her body to begin tearing itself apart under the strain of disloyalty, inflicting one unsoakable level of lethal damage. Each level of damage the target suffers to resist this Charm negates one success
on the Infernal's roll, shortening its duration.

Practically you only have one essence so you would have to stand there for a turn while the spirit you are trying to bind presumably tries to kill you, or else it tries to run and you would need some way to follow. There is also the issue that they can resist if they are desperate enough, even to the point of killing themselves doing it

The advantage is also the moral issue, notice that it says the target's will, not the spirit's. Black Court Vampire? You can use it on them fine. Ghoul? Sure knock yourself out. Ghost? As long as it has enough of a mind not to want to self immolate will work fine. It also works fine on regular mortals, otherwise known as that Black Magic Molly just used on her friends and feels guilty over.

You guys remember the part with the Red King in Changes where the crushing will of the mad almost-god could only be resisted by the most strong willed or though the nearness of the Sword of the Cross. That is this charm. Not to say there are no ethical ways to use it, Black court vampires are corpses puppeted by some kind of cosmic wrongness and they make thralls all the time, fine and brute so turn about is fair play and all just be aware this is one of the charms that is likely to raise among the most red flags given your history, but it is there and in your Favored charms if you want it.
 
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So just to spitball...

Crash on Harry's couch?

Go to Mcanallys?

I dont really think hiding in a dumpster or something is a good idea.

We could stay with some of our... normal friends? We have those right?

You do have friends, you also have crafting charms and a bit of essence. You could just walk into a junkyard and come out with stuff you can pawn for enough money for a motel. You would also have to charm the receptionist to deal with your lack of (adult) ID.
 
You do have friends, you also have crafting charms and a bit of essence. You could just walk into a junkyard and come out with stuff you can pawn for enough money for a motel. You would also have to charm the receptionist to deal with your lack of (adult) ID.
That's one upside to taking the crafty thing.

Im more tempted by the ancient sorcery binding. Its 10 xp vs the 9xp, but... its more straightforward.
 
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There is also a charm you could use to bind spirits to your service. It's even Lanka so only 9 XP, but well it has some issues, some practical and some character/moral

Crowned With Fury (•••)
Concentrating her implacable will upon another, the Infernal crushes her target's psyche with a display of her hellish glory. Green flames creep from her eyes and mouth whenever she commands her newly-suborned lackey, forming a blazing crown that burns above her head while she speaks.
System: Spend 2 Essence and roll Charisma + Leadership (difficulty of the target's Willpower). Success transforms the target into the Infernal's obedient servant. The more successes rolled, the longer the target's servitude lasts, as per the chart below:

Result Duration
Botch Subject cannot be targeted by this Charm
for the rest of the story.
Failure Subject cannot be targeted by this Charm
again in the current scene.
1 One hour
2 One day
3 One week
4 One month
5 One year
The target can resist a command from the Infernal for a scene, but doing so causes her body to begin tearing itself apart under the strain of disloyalty, inflicting one unsoakable level of lethal damage. Each level of damage the target suffers to resist this Charm negates one success
on the Infernal's roll, shortening its duration.

Practically you only have one essence so you would have to stand there for a turn while the spirit you are trying to bind presumably tries to kill you, or else it tries to run and you would need some way to follow. There is also the issue that they can resist if they are desperate enough, even to the point of killing themselves doing it

The advantage is also the moral issue, notice that it says the target's will, not the spirit's. Black Court Vampire? You can use it on them fine. Ghoul? Sure knock yourself out. Ghost? As long as it has enough of a mind not to want to self immolate will work fine. It also works fine on regular mortals, otherwise known as that Black Magic Molly just used on her friends and feels guilty over.

You guys remember the part with the Red King in Changes where the crushing will of the mad almost-god could only be resisted by the most strong willed or though the nearness of the Sword of the Cross. That is this charm. Not to say there are no ethical ways to use it, Black court vampires are corpses puppeted by some kind of cosmic wrongness and they make thralls all the time, fine and brute so turn about is fair play and all just be aware this is one of the charms that is likely to raise among the most red flags given your history, but it is there and in your Favored charms if you want it.
Not super enthused about diving into a barrel of red flags but, just out of curiosity, does this work on animals?

Strapping ceramic plates and Kevlar body armor to some bears and training them to act as shock troopers sounds pretty hilarious.
 
Not super enthused about diving into a barrel of red flags but, just out of curiosity, does this work on animals?

Strapping ceramic plates and Kevlar body armor to some bears and training them to act as shock troopers sounds pretty hilarious.
I wanna know where we can get some of whatever the hell your profile pick is a picture of. Looks murderous/adorable.
 
It probably wouldn't be too hard for Molly to find somewhere to squat while she gathers some money, tricky to do it from the ground up but as has been mentioned 'gambling' can work.

Heck, she could even get a regular job somewhere, she can very convincing.
 
You do have friends, you also have crafting charms and a bit of essence. You could just walk into a junkyard and come out with stuff you can pawn for enough money for a motel. You would also have to charm the receptionist to deal with your lack of (adult) ID.
Smash a bunch of stuff together and call it modern art we'll be rich muahahaha :V
 
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