Why wouldn't they be able to be bound. Things can have two bindings. Like sure our binding is stronger but it wouldn't pull them out of a metaphoric circle made by a wizard.
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The actual ask was strictly mundane so my bet is that they weren't really banking on specific magic properties.
Given that, and our limited ability to make long term magical items, we probably offer more value with the low magic design overall.
Especially since they've got to maintain it. Dealing with an all custom vehicle will be annoying enough even without needing to assign one of your crafters to the motor pool.
Oh, I misunderstood you.
I thought you meant magical binding of a cyberdevil, of the sort Molly has with her cyberdevils.
When you appear to mean imprisonment against their will.
Imprisonment can certainly happen sure.
I doubt if it would take primacy over the autorecall of HMP-bound cyberdevils.
Thats a QM call though.
The space debris stuff is an interesting question. First, I assume we have some way to actually know where things are. Under that condition, couldn't you just map out an orbit first (maybe even use the crown to ask "which other things am I in danger of hitting of I change this specific object's trajectory?") and then use mhm with reasonable safety? Someone would definitely notice if a defunct satellite suddenly moves, of course, but we can still launch things into space without hitting anything in 2023, so it shouldn't be too hard to change the trajectory of something in space without hitting anything in 2009, especially since mhm means a thrust-to weight ratio we can only dream of irl.
They get launched in very carefully managed containers within a shielded compartment subject to known forces.
After they're deployed they're a lot more vulnerable. They have to be made of the lightest possible materials, and no one is building them with the idea that they'll be given a 4-ton purple nurple along the delicate bits.
Here's an Iridium one:
If the the only thing intact is a the frame the satellite should definitely count as destroyed.
As to control loss, that only applies if you have to send people to perform the world's highest risk anti-littering operation.
We can just keep manipulating it until we force its orbit to decay.
Which isn't terribly dangerous for the ground since we're not talking about a reentry vehicle.
Per NASA Earth routinely sees car sized hunks of rock burn up in the atmosphere without anyone noticing. Which are substantially more durable than a fully deployed satellite.
Which also renders moot the whole thing about smashing them I guess. If we take the time to drag it down then it'll die.
It might take a minute, but all we need to do is shift it enough for nature to take it the rest of the way.
I wouldn't; Valkyries aren't fey and we didn't actually gamble anything.
Even those guys still require a bit more of a technicality than this to pull something on you.
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If you come up with good questions you can likely get votes.
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I don't have anything specific, he just seems like the sort that might know some interesting stuff if we can get him talking.
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I see I edited too late. But yes this argument is not worth continuing all your objections have been addressed in multiple ways and most of them were many pages ago when this topic first came up.
We had a massive argument over this already. The binding is powered by Exalted power. Charms do not, cannot have a negative effect, unless it is explicitly listed in the description. That includes by omission.
GM has explicitly ruled that the cyber demons cannot be subverted or taken over, the charm automatically pops the demon back to us, as a perfect defense to prevent that from happening.
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Because thats a stupid take. There are perfect defense and attacks. But not all charms effects are perfect. They have been and can be contested by mortals. And nothing in the charm says they can't be mind controlled by a skilled enough mage.
Like for fucks sake, angels can be bound by strong enough circles and a single charm isn't equal those things.
If our cyber demons where able to be subverted that would be a negative, and charms cannot repeat cannot have a negative effect.
So Exalted where created to fight beings that can throw around infinity*infinity level scale effect by existing at you, the exalted won
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There is a big difference between Angels and Exalted and it isn't power levels. Exalted have a shard of perfection in their soul which extends to everything that they do. Many Exalted effects are small, but that doesn't make them less perfect.
Much like Molly wins sword fights against people faster, stronger and more experienced than her.
Also Molly can walk right though the strongest threshold in the world.
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The great curse was made part of the exaltation. So evidently exaltations can infact harm the wielders
The exalted won because they kept getting new wielders and reincarnated. Like a lot lot of exalted died in that war.
If after the first fight the Primordials had killed every other human, thats it. The exalted would have lost. So they didn't win through out perfecting the Primordials, they won by sheer attrition.
That's an absurd premise. If every charm was a perfect effect, then there would be no point of rolling. We would auto succed all fights. Lets take an example, you have that charm that sends people flying and you successfully activated it. But the person being effected is mage or something and they somehow encased themselves in orchalium shackles that keep them from flying away. Would the charm still throw them the full distance or would the chains have that effect.
We roll for those fights, Molly can infact loose sword duels. If a mortal rolled 50 dice by some way She would loose.
Thresholds not working on her means her power isn't effected by it, it doesn't mean her powers can't be effectsd by anything.
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DP did rule that our Cyber-Devils cannot be subverted to use against us, including being controlled or used as information sources. IIRC, he didn't say anything about them being trapped or imprisoned, though.
Unless the negative effect is included in the Charm-text, yes.
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There's a freeholding lord or few that get mentioned, but mostly they're scavengers or muscle for other powers.
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I am very glad I'm not alone in the 'money is the best kind of magic' camp.
A really large chunk of that is going to have to be handled in-house by necessity. A lot of things such as medical and dental would probably raise red flags with normal practitioners and this would be even more true if they received complications from things on the job. We're going to have ghouls have to deal with bullet wounds at minimum, not even counting more inexplicable things. Thankfully we are already acquiring the start of a circle of safe practitioners here. We already have a witch who is very specifically a dentist... though its possible that ghouls regrow teeth on a regular basis even if its twice a century or something. We'll have to ask.
For a lot of things we'd have a big up front cost but afterwards it would come out of one pocket and go straight back in the other. Either it would be paid to us for in-house services or it would get paid to people we're trying to support anyways.
Education will be its own can of worms. Children are by their very nature security risks and you have to be damn careful making sure they don't let on too much.
The only time it would be an issue would be if we do anything charity based. They watch a lot closer in such cases because fraud is dead common.
Most of those places are going to require pacification actions. Look at poor Dearborn Homes. Dearborn is a collection of tenements that on paper were pretty okay if a little aged, they were built in the fifties, but which has been fucked over by crime and chaos for their entire history. The gang known as the Mickey Cobras, asshats that Marcone probably wants at the bottom of Lake Michigan, treat the place as their fucking capital.
Dearborn is too big for our present needs, between 800 and 660 units depending on a few factors, but imagine the same holds true with smaller sites as well. That isn't to say we don't do it, just that its an extra step.
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Unfortunately we have mostly avoided getting any of the picking on mortals charms*. Maybe we could use NWS on all the gang members plus Exalted social, but that seems like a fairly flimsy plan**. We might have to have our minions manage most of the work.
*Besides with violence, but we don't want to do that.
**Also requires DP to spend an awful lot of work detailing the dynamics, shames and power structures of a very small fish gang.
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I think that was just Ebenezer taking the opportunity to kill him over Harry. War benefits were a bonus.
The problems I can see Molly having IC:
=Breaking something like that sufficiently to break the satellite badly enough to count for purposes of HMP.
=Breaking it without worsening the orbital problem
=Avoiding dropping it on the planet
=Last but not least, trying not to draw mundane or supernatural attention while doing this
Like I said, not a rocket scientist,
But I doubt that its anywhere as simple as you are suggesting.
Could be wrong of course.
Yeah, the LaChaise clan are supposed to be Accord signatories; we saw them in Battlegrounds I think.
Not powers though.
And a lot of other ghoul clans and groups exist without even rising to that level of significance.
Probably not.
As far as we can tell, ghouls dont awaken to their Hunger and power until they are in their teens.
Much the same with most supernaturals apparently. You should be able to mainstream them in public education just fine.
Medical and dental is a thornier issue, but at worst we will have our Hell to fall back on.
A hellworld with hundreds of millions of people will be able to handle whatever referral needs our ghoul and Whampire populations may or may not have with aplomb.
I'll take your word for it.
Nah.
We have zero reason to get involved with people like that when there's literally empty real estate up for grabs that we can buy and rehabilitate to our own personal standards.
This is Chicago. The city is old and big, with lots of places that could use redevelopment.
Whatever your preferred budget is, from low 7-digits to 9-digits, from double digit apartments to hundreds of them, working class to upper middle class, there is a real estate property that suits your requirements.
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This is the 5-storey, 140 room Strand Hotel, currently derelict as of 2006, and vacant IRL between 2004 and 2014
Abandoned hotel in Chicago
The Strand Hotel in Chicago Illinois was built in 1915. It was one of the finest residential hotels in the Woodlawn neighborhood and featured a popular lounge. It was redecorated in 1974 under new management, but continued to decline, and eventually closed.
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This is the same hotel today IRL, now called the Strand Apartments, converted by a real estate company into a 60-apartment building with commercial stores on the ground floor
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This is the Guyon Hotel, a 10-storey, 169 unit residential hotel built in 1928, that was listed for sale at $500,000 in 2016, and has been vacant since 1995:
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This is the former James Mulligan School,
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Originally built between 1889/1890, closed for the first time in 1991, reopened briefly as another school, closed for good in 2003, and finally sold to a developer in 2013 for $4 million and converted into an apartment building.
Now the Mulligan School Apartments, a swanky 24-apartment building with monthly rents in the $3500-$9500 range as of 2017
Old School Apartments: School Being Converted Gets Landmark Boost
A developer is turning the former school's 24 classrooms into 24 apartments.
These Lincoln Park apartments are old-school (literally)
The developers who converted the former Mulligan School on Sheffield Avenue into 24 apartments reused the chalkboards and radiators to preserve its authenticity.
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The Rosenwald Apartment Complex.
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Historic Rosenwald Courts is a renovated apartment community located between 46th and 47th Street, Wabash and Michigan Avenue. One and two bedroom apartment homes are available with new interiors including granite countertops, easy care flooring, central air-conditioning and laundry facilities.
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Rosenwald Apartments – Chicago – Bricks Inc.
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This award-winning Powers & Sons project was for an historic renovation of three buildings at Rosenwald Court Apartments listed on the National Register of Historic Preservation. A total of 33 walk-up brownstone units at 46th & Michigan were renovated.
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Originally constructed in 1929. Literally spans a city block. Originally 454 apartment units.
Provided affordable housing to hundreds of families for most of the twentieth century. Declared uninhabitable and closed in 2000. Was used as a standin for Chernobyl in during the filming of Transformers Dark Side of the Moon in 2010.
Finally renovated in 2015 by a private consortium.
$134 million dollar project, including $61 million in tax credits, $45 million in loans, and around $15 million in other money.
Now around 239 apartments and 40,000 feet of office and retail space.
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293 guest rooms, 2x restaurants, indoor and outdoor swimming pool, parking lot.
Built in 1962. Closed in 2007 for health and safety violations. Sold at bankruptcy auction with two other plots, totalling 8.5 acres for $8.3 million in 2012. Demolished in 2013. Still an empty lot today.
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Purple Hotel property sells at auction for $8.3 million
(Crain's) — The new owners want to do a mixed-use redevelopment of the high-traffic site in north suburban Lincolnwood.
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And these are just the handpicked places.
There were 18,000 known abandoned buildings in Chicago as of 2013, from decommissioned schools to condemned hotels and apartment buildings to disused stores to even abandoned churches.
There's even a website dedicated to the most prominent examples of disused historic buildings at potential risk of demolition
CHICAGO 7 - PRESERVATION CHICAGO
Chicago 7 Preservation Chicago’s Chicago 7 Most Endangered Since 2003, the “Chicago 7 Most Endangered” has sounded the alarm on imminently threatened historic buildings and public assets in Chicago to mobilize the stakeholder support necessary to save them from demolition. 2022 Most Endangered...
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Conventional developers are often constrained by shit like waiting for federal or city subsidies, or bank loans and the like.
If we have 10-20 million dollars free, some Exalted elbow grease and Tool Constructs for doing internal work, and possibly some sorcery for talking to/hiring spirits, we can pick up multiple small to medium scale properties of this type and knock them back into enough shape to hide minions and affiliates in a bigger normal human population.
Complete with a house god watching over the property to discourage...undesirables.
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Just drop it on the planet with HMM.
For example on Point Nemo, like real space agencies do.
Because if you have thousands of kilometers margin of error without hitting anything alive or important, bringing a sattelite down safely is easy.
Edit: Might draw some attention, but it's not like mundane watchers can tell that Molly is involved.
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I'll note any mortal can walk through any threshold on the planet. If their magical they just leave a lot of stuff at the door.