Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Well, ultimately, yeah? I mean, what are they going to do about it? Lara has no hold over us, and her ability to exploit connection between us and her is limited by our potential displeasure. I ultimately just don't actually see what she can do based on these assumed perceptions that we would care about.
… not going to lie, it's frustrating to repeatedly answer the same question without any rebuttal to the points I've raised beyond what's effectively a shrug and then get this again like it's a counterpoint.

Especially since the purpose of mentioning this while it's early yet is because the issue is small and manageable.

From where I sit it feels sort of like I'm trying to point out that we're about to run a marathon, but have one shoe partially untied only to get back things like:

"We should just focus on our form and step around the lace"

"Sure that other guy tripped on his, but we have better legs so why do you think it'll happen to us?"

"Molly's soak is high enough that the curb wouldn't hurt anyway"

I think we're probably at the point where we aren't going to change each other's minds here.
 
Shame we can't get the crown of fire to allow us to hear anyone using our name and punish them for misusing it. Maybe we could get a charm from Mab with a similar effect?

Or maybe that will be available homebrew. Our Exaltation spent quite a bit of time trapped in Artus Tor as well.
 
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Shame we can't get the crown of fire to allow us to hear anyone using our name and punish them for misusing it. Maybe we could get a charm from Mab with a similar effect?

Or maybe that will be available homebrew. Our Exaltation spent quite a bit of time trapped in Artus Tor as well.
Probably better to make our own heresy charms than to ever take them from anyone else. The one weak point of the exaltation itself is in how it selects power improvements.

That's how the great curse got in, and it's also how the primordial remnants went about screwing with them.

Plus it means we'd be burning Molly's personal order of things into reality as divine miracles one charm at a time, and isn't that really what being an infernal's all about? :V
 
When binging this I was only reading the quest itself. Were there any long-term plans that were more or less a consensus that have been discussed without actually coming up yet?
 
When binging this I was only reading the quest itself. Were there any long-term plans that were more or less a consensus that have been discussed without actually coming up yet?
We are likely to get the inner world charm after this arc. The most detailed/most probable version to date is Yog's proposal, the Fivefold Courts of Fate.

Some links to material on the subject:

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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy

Molly Carpenter... neophyte wizard, prisoner of the fey and technically a warlock, now champion of the forgotten Hells whose masters have faded from the universe long ago. If the Yozi could laugh from beyond oblivion they would. Also Harry Dresden did technically set the green fire....

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Molly Carpenter... neophyte wizard, prisoner of the fey and technically a warlock, now champion of the forgotten Hells whose masters have faded from the universe long ago. If the Yozi could laugh from beyond oblivion they would. Also Harry Dresden did technically set the green fire....

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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy

Molly Carpenter... neophyte wizard, prisoner of the fey and technically a warlock, now champion of the forgotten Hells whose masters have faded from the universe long ago. If the Yozi could laugh from beyond oblivion they would. Also Harry Dresden did technically set the green fire....
 
The situation isn't exactly a ticking bomb, but so far you haven't refuted anything so much as asserted it would be fine because "what are they going to do about it?".

Opportunity cost. I simply don't believe in specifically focusing on a problem that will likely naturally take care of itself as we grow more powerful, while there are still problems that won't. It's a quest, everyone has their action economy priorities.

Also...

The salient point here is that controlling your messaging is part of growing as a power. Neglecting it is detrimental while handling it is relatively simple and profitable.

Except signaling to everyone else that we are some totally independent powerful radical reformer completely unrestrained by anyone also has negatives, by making us and our efforts even more of a target. That realization is inevitable, but we can benefit from delaying it.

Some other power thinking that if we threaten the status quo too much, then Lara will gently pull us back, could benefit us some by giving us more time to prepare to smash that status quo.

Such an image is not something that would have been worth it to cultivate purposefully, given how it has a pretty short expiration date as we grow, but it being an unexpected mixed blessing giving some side benefits to counter negatives - combined with the opportunity cost - just make it a low priority issue for me.

To be clear - I'm not saying we should purposefully feed it by acting subordinate to Lara in any way. The moment there is a clear benefit to do something that would shatter that image, we should do it.
 
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Probably better to make our own heresy charms than to ever take them from anyone else. The one weak point of the exaltation itself is in how it selects power improvements.

That's how the great curse got in, and it's also how the primordial remnants went about screwing with them.

Plus it means we'd be burning Molly's personal order of things into reality as divine miracles one charm at a time, and isn't that really what being an infernal's all about? :V
Point, we accept some charms from Mab and maybe the next thing we know we start gaining limit whenever we have unresolved debts.

But I don't think it is nearly that easy the great curse was done by the Primordials who understood the Exaltation they have made inside and out. Really the fact that the great curse was the most they could do is a testimony to just how hard Exaltations are to hack in anyway.
 
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… not going to lie, it's frustrating to repeatedly answer the same question without any rebuttal to the points I've raised beyond what's effectively a shrug and then get this again like it's a counterpoint.

Especially since the purpose of mentioning this while it's early yet is because the issue is small and manageable.

From where I sit it feels sort of like I'm trying to point out that we're about to run a marathon, but have one shoe partially untied only to get back things like:

"We should just focus on our form and step around the lace"

"Sure that other guy tripped on his, but we have better legs so why do you think it'll happen to us?"

"Molly's soak is high enough that the curb wouldn't hurt anyway"

I think we're probably at the point where we aren't going to change each other's minds here.
Sorry, I can understand how this is frustrating. But yeah, from my perspective I just don't see how the current situation is problematic, or what Lara can do that would actually affect our ability to act.

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To expand. I don't doubt White Court's ability to make trouble for us, but that requires them to actively burn bridges with us and make us their enemy.
 
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"Good man, in the business?" the old soldier unwinds a little.

"Kind of, he's fighting for a cause," you answer carefully. You know no Knight of the Cross would think of himself as a gun for hire, but at the same time you do not want to offend your customers.

"Aren't we all," he snorts. "You ready to go?"
I suspect that the Einherjar would consider the knights of the cross similar to them. Holy Warrior's empowered by and fighting for their god.
 
I feel like being contrary here so here's an angle. If we can get there(edit: and back) faster to discharge our obligation, that's less time our associates aren't under our aegis/especially vulnerable to attack by shapeshifters if they decide to make a play.

[X] Use Rendered Villain Disposal to hop from body of water to body of water to get there faster and safer
 
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Wonder shich vote is going to win.
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By the way there a reason when a primordial dp doesn't think we can make a world? When as a mortal we can make a semi complete world and that should probably just get upgraded as we become a primordial? Also there being like five different primordials who've made worlds?
 
That is not the sword:

The Rod Raw Rending
Fortitude 1, Potence 1
This power was developed by a Germanic Ventrue posing as a Brujah. Since he wasn't as proficient with Potence as some would expect, he had to fake it with raw tenacity in his strikes. His hands and weapons do not stop when they hit their target; they push through with the weight of his invincible musculature. When he puts his hand through chain armor, nobody questions his Brujah heritage.
System: Activating The Rod Raw Rending costs 1 blood point, and it lasts for the scene. You can ignore 1/1 armor up to your character's Fortitude dots. So with Fortitude •••, you may ignore 3/3 armor. It may only be used with Brawl or Melee attacks. Experience Cost: 8
^^^
This rather changes some of our spending priorities.
Primarily for Lydia, but also for Molly. If White Court vampires, who are not the greatest physical threat in the setting, are running around with this sort of tool in their arsenal, Lydia needs better armor, and Molly needs the charms to make it.

Lydia probably needs to invest in soak-boosting charms and abilities as a priority as well.
Lucky she has an old death god in her head as mentor.

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Legendary Charity is Legendary.
It is kinda hilarious that short of Mab herself, Molly's greatest social opponent has been her own mother.

Somehow, I suspect that after the events of last night, divorce negotiations between Eleanor and Charles will be a lot less troublesome than our earlier projections.
Just a thought.

Lol at Hope. You just know she is going to say this at the worst possible moment.

The immortal timescale isn't the one we live on though; this is an issues of months to years, and we profit from doing it right from the start. All we need to do is make a point of talking with people more, even when they haven't stuck their noses in our business yet. For the near term anyway.
I do have a detail to point out you may have forgotten: Lydia specifically paid freebie points for the Merit Prestigious Mentor
Prestigious Mentor (1 pt. Merit) Your Mentor (as in the Background Trait of that name) has a reputation that benefits you as well. When you're making social rolls to invoke your influential teacher, reduce the difficulty by -2. Of course, some folks will be somewhat less than impressed; for rolls that involve rivals or enemies of your mentor, add +2 to the difficulty unless that mentor scares the shit out of them… in which case, you had damned well better be able to live up to the fear his name invokes!

This does not detract from your larger point about talking with people more, mind.
We ARE a social Exalt after all.
We really need to find time to take over some Satilites soon. It just has so much cool factor even before you consider how useful it's likely to be.
While I would love to just go to the Doane Observatory in Chicago and use its publicly available 20 inch telescope to HMP a bunch of cyberdevils into a bunch of satellites?
The current ruling is that HMP doesnt allow us to remove or recall cyberdevils once they are implanted.

I have trouble seeing a situation where Molly would put cyberdevils in satellites that she cant remove them from short of literally Ancient Sorcery. Especially given that Clippy's description of what happens in a device without power, like a satellite, is basically sensory deprivation; it might be better than the Wicked City, but thats a very low bar.

More like undercave really there are a lot of ghouls not affiliated with us in chicago. I figure once we get wishes we can make the unlimited respawning pizzas and such to actually allow an army of ghouls live after a few dozen wishes over times of respawning pizza boxes and other stuff.
Or just deploy cash and buy food from the supermarkets and small farms in the Chicago area.
Not everything requires magic.

Honestly, Chicago has restaurants and ghouls deserve paychecks, benefits, vacation days, just... normal stuff. I want our guys to have gated communities where they don't need to hide the fact that half of them are monsters or whatever but also, you know, just go to a family restaurant or order pizza or whatever with their disposable incomes. If they can't fake being human or aren't comfortable with it other options might be necessary though.

If doordash was a thing it would be getting some good business. In general, my answer to things is usually going to default to 'this is why money exists' and not 'lets perform reality warping'.
-Median household income in the US circa 2006/2007 is in the fifty thousand dollar range.

So if you're looking at maintaining fifty ghouls as fulltime dependents, you need around two and a half million dollars each year to pay them reasonably, not counting ancillaries like healthcare, education and housing. Round that up to four million a year for costs to mainstream a procession of ghouls and vampires into society.


-Its fairly common practice to have private arrangements with restaurants or small farms when you need to feed large numbers of people in bulk. If you're willing to pay, you can just take a van down and take delivery of the prepared foods.
Nothing particularly out of the ordinary here besides the quantity, and buying large amounts of food isnt illegal.

I mean the wishes are kinda needed seeing they need to eat what was it 50 pounds of meat a day? Like its just not something that can be easily accommodated without powers. Asides its a fix towards one situation heck its useful in general to have a constantly replenishing food source. Not that I really disagree with you. But, the wishes for constant food is a god send for ghouls. Its not like its not helpful. Asides I want a small army of ghouls if we can that requires at least a dozen or two constantly magically replenishing foods.
Point of correction:
They can eat up to 50 pounds of meat a day; they dont NEED to eat that much meat, its a function of their Hunger being a bitch.
Even obligate carnivores dont need that much meat; an adult lion can eat twice that much at sitting, but then it can go without eating for a week.

Though the image of a chain of family diners that could accommodate that sort of hunger makes me want it even more. Private dining areas on request so eyebrows aren't raised over an entire cow worth of perfectly grilled and seasoned steak being served for a party of ten. If you are ignoring offal and bones, which I don't want a ghoul to be desperate enough to need consume, each ghoul would eat about a tenth of a cow every day. Its not an obscene amount of money for a would-be megacorp but, yeah, magical shenanigans would simplify logistics and make the whole thing stealthier.

That said, at some point we'll want decent quality dining facilities for a broad swath of different feeding needs and habits. Its all that much more reason to just start buying up small and medium sized businesses in the Chicago area and putting them in-the-know.
If you're a regular customer at a farm or a restaurant, you can buy a fair amount of discretion.
Or even just dont bother; its not like people dont do buffets for others.

Buying wholesale meats at around a dollar a pound for pork and chicken and an extra dollar per pound of preparation would allow you to put together a weekly fifty ghoul buffet with an allotment of around twenty pounds of meat per ghoul for around a hundred kay a year. Significant money for most people, but not even MSRP for a new CLS63 like the one Black Rider is in.

Historical pricing:

National Chicken Council | Wholesale and Retail Prices for Chicken, Beef, and Pork

Consumers rate chicken’s value very highly, especially when compared with competing meats. NOTE Wholesale beef price is wholesale choice grade value


Not to mention that fish is a thing.
Whether its buying salmon and the like from aquaculture operations, or the fishermen on the rivers catching Asian carp which is an invasive species that the govt would dearly love to get rid of.

Ultimately I see us legitimately owning Chicago or enough of it that the distinction is meaningless. Way, way down the road. But having facilities for people of varying ilk that is going to be important. Some we are attached to can't go off the grid, some just wouldn't want to because they want to stay closer to humanity.
Wait till January and the lottery plan.
10 million dollars will buy you a LOT of fixer-upper Chicago real-estate.
Especially if you put two thirds of that on acquisition, and have Molly do most of the internal renovation work herself.

If we were doing mortgage style stuff, you'd only need around 20% down to get a bank loan for things like this.
But I dont think we want to model economic shit that faithfully.
Just write it off to Molly not wanting a bank asking questions about how she is using property she bought.

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*looks at historical depictions of Old Norse finery, from braided hair and beards, to shiny jewelry to tattoos for both sexes*
Yeah, I think Molly might be surprised about what the standards of finery are among the Einherjar, or the old Norse.
Need more Academics there, Molls.

Odin's got hookups high in the US government.
Because I dont see anyway they would know about this spot, and be able to use it, even if lowkey.

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I was thinking that Odin needed lowprofile armored vehicles.
I didnt realize he wanted proper war machines.
This is probably going to raise Molly's profile as much as Mab's pimpmobile.

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Two squads? *checks*Okay, thats ambitious. But doable.
Assuming a squad is 5 people, like we saw during the akuma mission, it should be within Molly's capabilities to prototype and build no problem, as long as we have raw materials to work with.

We can design and build a wheeled IFV that will seat 9-10 troops/passengers and 2 crew; thats basically just a Boxer IFV 8x8 with a road range of 1100km, max speed of 103kph/64mph and a combat weight of 37-41 tons with full STANAG 4569 Level 4 to Level 6+ armor.

Alternatively, if they insist on a tracked vehicle, take a Lynx KF41 as the base model; 38-50 tons depending on armor loadout, 65-70kph, 500km range, 3 crew + 8 troops

The Boxer design entered production in 2006 for the Netherlands and Germany, so we can steal the concept wholesale.

It will still run on fossil fuels because we dont have the magic to make it an EV whose batteries wont ever run out, but fossil fuels are still plentiful, and we can make a multifuel engine, with hydrid tech to further improve range and endurance.

Make it modular like the Boxer design, with a drive module and a swappable mission module for different missions, and they convert an IFV to an HVT extraction vehicle just by exchanging the mission module.
Which will help with response in situations where you dont want to roll in guns out.

So do we have any ideas cooking for hellish schizotech or are we going for straight dice rolls on this?
Depends on how ballsout the QM is willing to let us go.

Just working with near-future capabilities as of 2006? Efficient lightweight hybrid powertrain, stealthy drive, lightweight armor, hardened computer and comms, lidar/radar/IR imaging systems, CBRN environmental systems and smoke grenade launchers all as standard. Active softkill and hardkill defenses against RPGs, from smoke, jammers and dazzlers to actual antimissile lasers.

Active camouflage and amphibious capabilities as optional.

For weapons we can put anything in a primary weapon turret from a conventional heavy machinegun to an automatic grenade launcher to a triple digit kilowatt laser to a dialable yield railgun to a nonlethal LRAD and visual dazzlers, running off the vehicle powerplant and batteries/capacitors.

Just make it swappable.

Exotics would be ammo like depleted uranium/iron rounds for the grenade launcher when dealing with ghost/fae attackers, and remote deployment containment grids courtesy of the Laundry Files; if you have a laser and precise enough motors, you can draw or project a magic circle or similar wards at a distance, and let a spellcaster empower them.

Which might help if you run into a moderately powerful demon or similar magic construct in the field and pure dakka is not enough.
 
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I can see no reason not to be putting cyber demons in satellites, they are both useful and nearly impossible for anybody to notice or remove. A very minor 1-2% for the net uses satellites, but government spy says would give us a global coverage in a way nobody expects. White council would really like accurate targeting data to firebomb Red court bases from the other side of the world.
 
I can see no reason not to be putting cyber demons in satellites, they are both useful and nearly impossible for anybody to notice or remove. A very minor 1-2% for the net uses satellites, but government spy says would give us a global coverage in a way nobody expects. White council would really like accurate targeting data to firebomb Red court bases from the other side of the world.
You cant.Molly can.
These are people to her, not munitions, and there are ethical/moral standards to be met.

Clippy has explicitly said that an electronic item without power is basically sensory deprivation for a cyberdevil.
If she cant retrieve her cyberdevils in the event that, say, a satellite malfunction knocks a satellite offline, she isnt going to do it.
Thats just simply IC ethics over personal convenience.

And the current ruling is that you need to either destroy the item, or use Ancient Sorcery to exorcise them.
Neither is a feasible option.
 
Vote closed. into the Nevernever we go
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This does not detract from your larger point about talking with people more, mind.
We ARE a social Exalt after all.
Yeah, but rep only matters in so far as you're using it. Lydia doesn't do much with the community.

I also wouldn't call Molly a social exalt, most of her abilities there are excellency related.

By exp she's more combat then anything, but by most crucial abilities she more built for information games than anything else.

Point of correction:
They can eat up to 50 pounds of meat a day; they dont NEED to eat that much meat, its a function of their Hunger being a bitch.
Even obligate carnivores dont need that much meat; an adult lion can eat twice that much at sitting, but then it can go without eating for a week.
On the topic of ghouls, it might be interesting to talk to the various ghoul powers at some point.

Not super high priority, but they do exist and probably have some nice resources for our minions.

The main things being stuff like lore/skill training for their unique magical traditions and mundane things like doctors who actually understand what the hell is going on with their biology.

For example, suppose a ghoul does get cancer; how does regen affect chemotherapy?


if you have a laser and precise enough motors, you can draw or project a magic circle or similar wards at a distance, and let a spellcaster empower them.
We know from Mac's place that it's possible to shape something in an entirely mundane way that influences magic anyway. He uses the layout and number of the support pillars to make it harder for radiant magic build up/minor talent slap fights to get out of hand.

Might be worth looking into the possibility of doing something like this to the vehicle itself via Occult excellency instead of "just" setting them up to laser etch wards.

Shape the thing from the ground up so that it's as "low profile" as possible from a magical interaction perspective, like the artificially low radar cross section of stealth aircraft.

Not immune, but harder to effect than it should have any right to be.
 
While I would love to just go to the Doane Observatory in Chicago and use its publicly available 20 inch telescope to HMP a bunch of cyberdevils into a bunch of satellites?
The current ruling is that HMP doesnt allow us to remove or recall cyberdevils once they are implanted.

I have trouble seeing a situation where Molly would put cyberdevils in satellites that she cant remove them from short of literally Ancient Sorcery. Especially given that Clippy's description of what happens in a device without power, like a satellite, is basically sensory deprivation; it might be better than the Wicked City, but thats a very low bar.
Two things. One we can actually fly up to Satellites to fix them up. Second if they are in range of HMP then they are also in range of MHM.
 
^^^
This rather changes some of our spending priorities.
Primarily for Lydia, but also for Molly. If White Court vampires, who are not the greatest physical threat in the setting, are running around with this sort of tool in their arsenal, Lydia needs better armor, and Molly needs the charms to make it.

Lydia probably needs to invest in soak-boosting charms and abilities as a priority as well.
Lucky she has an old death god in her head as mentor.



COMMENTARY
Legendary Charity is Legendary.
It is kinda hilarious that short of Mab herself, Molly's greatest social opponent has been her own mother.

Somehow, I suspect that after the events of last night, divorce negotiations between Eleanor and Charles will be a lot less troublesome than our earlier projections.
Just a thought.

Lol at Hope. You just know she is going to say this at the worst possible moment.


I do have a detail to point out you may have forgotten: Lydia specifically paid freebie points for the Merit Prestigious Mentor


This does not detract from your larger point about talking with people more, mind.
We ARE a social Exalt after all.

While I would love to just go to the Doane Observatory in Chicago and use its publicly available 20 inch telescope to HMP a bunch of cyberdevils into a bunch of satellites?
The current ruling is that HMP doesnt allow us to remove or recall cyberdevils once they are implanted.

I have trouble seeing a situation where Molly would put cyberdevils in satellites that she cant remove them from short of literally Ancient Sorcery. Especially given that Clippy's description of what happens in a device without power, like a satellite, is basically sensory deprivation; it might be better than the Wicked City, but thats a very low bar.


Or just deploy cash and buy food from the supermarkets and small farms in the Chicago area.
Not everything requires magic.


-Median household income in the US circa 2006/2007 is in the fifty thousand dollar range.

So if you're looking at maintaining fifty ghouls as fulltime dependents, you need around two and a half million dollars each year to pay them reasonably, not counting ancillaries like healthcare, education and housing. Round that up to four million a year for costs to mainstream a procession of ghouls and vampires into society.


-Its fairly common practice to have private arrangements with restaurants or small farms when you need to feed large numbers of people in bulk. If you're willing to pay, you can just take a van down and take delivery of the prepared foods.
Nothing particularly out of the ordinary here besides the quantity, and buying large amounts of food isnt illegal.


Point of correction:
They can eat up to 50 pounds of meat a day; they dont NEED to eat that much meat, its a function of their Hunger being a bitch.
Even obligate carnivores dont need that much meat; an adult lion can eat twice that much at sitting, but then it can go without eating for a week.


If you're a regular customer at a farm or a restaurant, you can buy a fair amount of discretion.
Or even just dont bother; its not like people dont do buffets for others.

Buying wholesale meats at around a dollar a pound for pork and chicken and an extra dollar per pound of preparation would allow you to put together a weekly fifty ghoul buffet with an allotment of around twenty pounds of meat per ghoul for around a hundred kay a year. Significant money for most people, but not even MSRP for a new CLS63 like the one Black Rider is in.

Historical pricing:

National Chicken Council | Wholesale and Retail Prices for Chicken, Beef, and Pork

Consumers rate chicken’s value very highly, especially when compared with competing meats. NOTE Wholesale beef price is wholesale choice grade value


Not to mention that fish is a thing.
Whether its buying salmon and the like from aquaculture operations, or the fishermen on the rivers catching Asian carp which is an invasive species that the govt would dearly love to get rid of.


Wait till January and the lottery plan.
10 million dollars will buy you a LOT of fixer-upper Chicago real-estate.
Especially if you put two thirds of that on acquisition, and have Molly do most of the internal renovation work herself.

If we were doing mortgage style stuff, you'd only need around 20% down to get a bank loan for things like this.
But I dont think we want to model economic shit that faithfully.
Just write it off to Molly not wanting a bank asking questions about how she is using property she bought.


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*looks at historical depictions of Old Norse finery, from braided hair and beards, to shiny jewelry to tattoos for both sexes*
Yeah, I think Molly might be surprised about what the standards of finery are among the Einherjar, or the old Norse.
Need more Academics there, Molls.

Odin's got hookups high in the US government.
Because I dont see anyway they would know about this spot, and be able to use it, even if lowkey.

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I was thinking that Odin needed lowprofile armored vehicles.
I didnt realize he wanted proper war machines.
This is probably going to raise Molly's profile as much as Mab's pimpmobile.

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Two squads? *checks*Okay, thats ambitious. But doable.
Assuming a squad is 5 people, like we saw during the akuma mission, it should be within Molly's capabilities to prototype and build no problem, as long as we have raw materials to work with.

We can design and build a wheeled IFV that will seat 9-10 troops/passengers and 2 crew; thats basically just a Boxer IFV 8x8 with a road range of 1100km, max speed of 103kph/64mph and a combat weight of 37-41 tons with full STANAG 4569 Level 4 to Level 6+ armor.

Alternatively, if they insist on a tracked vehicle, take a Lynx KF41 as the base model; 38-50 tons depending on armor loadout, 65-70kph, 500km range, 3 crew + 8 troops

The Boxer design entered production in 2006 for the Netherlands and Germany, so we can steal the concept wholesale.

It will still run on fossil fuels because we dont have the magic to make it an EV whose batteries wont ever run out, but fossil fuels are still plentiful, and we can make a multifuel engine, with hydrid tech to further improve range and endurance.

Make it modular like the Boxer design, with a drive module and a swappable mission module for different missions, and they convert an IFV to an HVT extraction vehicle just by exchanging the mission module.
Which will help with response in situations where you dont want to roll in guns out.


Depends on how ballsout the QM is willing to let us go.

Just working with near-future capabilities as of 2006? Efficient lightweight hybrid powertrain, stealthy drive, lightweight armor, hardened computer and comms, lidar/radar/IR imaging systems, CBRN environmental systems and smoke grenade launchers all as standard. Active softkill and hardkill defenses against RPGs, from smoke, jammers and dazzlers to actual antimissile lasers.

Active camouflage and amphibious capabilities as optional.

For weapons we can put anything in a primary weapon turret from a conventional heavy machinegun to an automatic grenade launcher to a double digit kilowatt laser to a dialable yield railgun to a nonlethal LRAD and visual dazzlers, running off the vehicle powerplant and batteries/capacitors.

Just make it swappable.

Exotics would be ammo like depleted uranium/iron rounds for the grenade launcher when dealing with ghost/fae attackers, and remote deployment containment grids courtesy of the Laundry Files; if you have a laser and precise enough motors, you can draw or project a magic circle or similar wards at a distance, and let a spellcaster empower them.

Which might help if you run into a moderately powerful demon or similar magic construct in the field and pure dakka is not enough.
I'm thinking of having an entire ghoul clan uju so yes its needed. I'm not thinking about like 50 ghouls max I'm thinking like over a thousand someday. Maybe even straight up coopting some of the clans in the united states if we can. Asides a constantly replenishing food source is good strategically at times. I know that some wyld fae would sell their souls (metaphorically) for a respawning pizza box.

Asides we can use our wishes for simple practical things too its not like we're likely to ever send someone to hell for it. Unless we can send them to our hell in which case its probably a good deal in all honesty.
 
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I'd be a bit mad if dp only let us have modern tech if we chose advanced tech for our hell. Cause advanced is supposed to be like low tier cyberpunk as far as like biomods and cybernetic body parts and stuff you might see a century from now. Some of the stuff the wicked city has is what we should be looking at right?
 
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