Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

It makes sense.

The Yozi fundamentally can't and don't want to kill things on their own level of immortality.
They never design Creation to handle such deaths, which is where the whole Neverborn issue comes from.

So there are obviously no Charms to do so in the Yozi's Charmsets. If an Infernal wants one, he has to create a Heretical Charm.
Well, there is Ebon actually.

LIFE-DENYING HATE

Cost: 8m
Mins: Essence 3
Type: Simple (Speed 4)
Keywords: Combo-OK, Sorcerous
Duration: One scene
Prerequisite Charms: Life-Blighting Emptiness Attack

The Ebon Dragon does not accept that life is hope. His curses prove otherwise. The character must choose a living being within sensory range that he inflicted damage upon earlier in the scene. Until the scene ends, the target can't heal damage by any means, including effects that convert injuries to less serious types of damage (lethal to bashing, etc.). Whenever a wound would heal and does not, black Essence oozes like tar from it instead, making the curse Obvious.

If the Charm is dispelled, the vile secretions combust in a single flare of green fire, inflicting one die of lethal damage that ignores armor but also renders the target immune to further activations of this Charm for the rest of the scene. Charms that build on Life-Denying Hate as a prerequisite with similar effects do not stack the damage burst for being dispelled.

Whenever a spirit cursed by this Charm dies, Soul-Absorbing Barrage shunts the spirit into darkness beyond existence unless it perishes exposed to sunlight. Within this oubliette of perfect solitude, the spirit experiences the passage of time and nothing else, forever. From time to time, the Infernal dreams of the exiled spirit's pain, but the exile is functionally annihilated from the perspective of Creation and ceases to be a valid target for effects.
Essence 4+ Infernals may purchase this Charm a second time, in which case the curse lasts until dispelled but remains vulnerable to Emerald Circle Countermagic. A third and final purchase at Essence 7+ upgrades the curse to require Sapphire Circle Countermagic for removal.
We actually have this as Life-Denying Curse in ExWoD it just lost its second half.

This also "kills" Yozi level souls like Fetich iirc, and maybe even Yozi. Ebon was always up for screwing over everyone, even himself if it takes others too. And is transgressing boundaries.

Edit: And dispelling is about the Charm itself not the exile. Thats forever.
 
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If we could innovate Charms we could make one.

Infernals could innovate new Charms anyway within themes. And between theme if its Heresy.

Here, no one holds Infernals as theirs so who knows. The world IS weaker, but that means so are the things to kill.
 
Of course?

Uriel doesn't force people, ever. He is an angel, he asks and gives one a choice.

The only thing that implies is that Uriel Respects molly's free will, which is a duh! Thing. That's what he is all about
It's not about forcing people. Uriel having to ask means:
1) That we can, in fact, obtain this information. This, in turn means that one of the following is true:
1.1) angels and White God do not have a Perfect scrying defense.
1.2) That defense does not have primacy when Perfect effects clash in this world.
2) That we are still mortal enough to count and that us peeking cannot be responded to directly under the rules White God established.
3) That we in general are not an enemy of the White God
yeah, the archangels get especially ridicolous all things considered.

Here is another tasty bit on Uriel


I also know there is a quote about Uriel shatteering reality with the horryfingly absurd size of his true body, but i can´t find it.

And to be even more distressing, the walkers, deputies to the outsider Gods are explicitly equal to the archangels, if they were not restricted by acting within the confines of the multiverse and not outside of it.

That´s why I´m putting the Outsider Gods on the same level as YHWH and why my personal pet theory is that YHWH is an outsider God who created the world purely to fuck with his collegues
My theory is that YHWH is a Primordial. As are Outsider Gods. And that the reality went through several cycles. With Creation era being several cycles back. Basically, there was Creation, which was made by Primordial hosts. It might have been the first iteration of the reality. Then it was destroyed / dissolved into the wyld. There were several cycles after that. In the last one the reality was created by YHWH. Or something like that.
 
If we ask something he is unwilling or unable to answer, we might as well not have asked at all.
To be fair, Curiosity is Molly's Urge.
But yeah, this is one of those occasions I dont feel the need to ask anything.

IIRC, when this question was asked previously, DP explained that Molly's physical appearance didn't so much change but that her presence did, supernaturally speaking, so that her newly acquired innate offputtingness detracts from her appearance for mechanics purposes.
We can buy it up too. And probably should, to App 2 or 3.
People underestimate how much leeway looks give you in social situations.

I have no idea what you are saying here. The charm flat out says that you get two human clones and that they are not shintai form but our regular human body. By RAW it is useless, I agree but that is how it is written.
I am saying that an E2+ Infernal's normal body in combat is probably running the benefits of stuff like Ox-Body and some demonic Aspects. So your Shintai clone is wearing your normal combat body, buffs and all, while you are rocking the Shintai supermode.
Thats my understanding of the intent of that effect, anyway.

Classy as always Uriel.

Im honestly not sure what Michael can teach Molly, who is already Melee 5 and high Occult. Firearms maybe?
Or likely just a grounding in situational ethics and an introduction to people in the supernatural world who would usually flee the advent of anyone bearing the mantle of Infernal power.

Loling at the driving into a lamp post.


Who needs to cheat when your exalted, using the excellency Molly Rolls Wits+Empathy at 12 dice. In a favored skill, to prevent 1's subtracting. I think we have found our money maker. Head to a poker tables, and clean up. Should not take long before Molly is getting invites to the high stakes games. Maybe enter a few tournaments.
Molly has the Crown of Eyes and limited intellectus.

If she wants to win the next Powerball lottery, guessing the winning numbers is as easy as paying a hobo to buy her a one dollar lottery ticket and filling in the numbers. Then claiming her winnings anonymously via a lawyer and either a trust or a corporation.
None of this pennyante poker table stuff.

Subsequently, if she's looking for somewhere to launder seed money, scanning the stock index with the Crown and parking money in stuff like Apple, Google and Amazon would make her independently wealthy by her mid-twenties.
I mean, Apple stock alone went from 6.56 in 2003 to 403 in 2011, a period of 8 years.

Its just a lot more work to obfuscate her involvement and ownership. And money isnt that much of a focus for her atm anyway.
Well you are underage so you cannot legally gamble even assuming you would find a legal gambling establishment in Chicago so to Gentleman Johnny's establishments you go if you want that. Also you need enough money for a buy in. Molly does not know how much that is because the workings of illegal casinos were not part of her education.
Three words: Hollow Mind Possession.
Allows her to make any computerized device in line of sight her bitch for anything from one day to permanently.
Like bank ATMs.

If Molly was a black hat, or even just a somewhat greyer hat than Dresden, she could make all her startup money this way for minimal effort. Visit a bank ATM, dominate the computer into your loyal servant, withdraw ten or twenty thousand dollars, instruct the computer to destroy any records of the transaction, walk away. Repeat at a different ATM next month.

All of which is fungible cash with no need to interact with the criminal underworld or seek the aid of others to pull it off.
That sounds like our biggest mistake today was not checking if the vamps we killed had money or watches on them.
Sympathetic magic is a thing in the Dresdenverse.
Carrying something that the Red Court and their allies might be able to spy or track you through is a suboptimal idea.
And Molly has zero experience at fencing stolen goods.
 
Sympathetic magic is a thing in the Dresdenverse.
Carrying something that the Red Court and their allies might be able to spy or track you through is a suboptimal idea.
And Molly has zero experience at fencing stolen goods.
Good point.
Cash only then.

As long as we avoid lucky pennies anf first-earned dollars, no regular bill should have any particular connection to anything.
 
Powerball lottery counts as one situation you can put yourself in, so not 'this powerball lottery' since that would be unlimited free money OOC and IC your power does not see much of a conceptual difference. You can win the lottery once if you so choose.
 
Powerball lottery counts as one situation you can put yourself in, so not 'this powerball lottery' since that would be unlimited free money OOC and IC your power does not see much of a conceptual difference. You can win the lottery once if you so choose.
Huh. I am surprised we can do it at all since it's a question about the future. Unless someone's cheating the numbers should be determined properly random after all tickets are bought.
 
Huh. I am surprised we can do it at all since it's a question about the future. Unless someone's cheating the numbers should be determined properly random after all tickets are bought.

Yeah they are indeed determined by random chance, not human agency at least not in the moral sense, humans obviously made the machines that spit out the random numbers. Regardless that means you are not running afoul of anyone's Free Will and your godlike power can just do the proverbial math.

Just keep in mind lottery wins do draw attention the more you win.
 
Also, fair is fair, winning a big name Lottery is going to draw Scrutiny that we can't really afford. It'd be better to stick to a relatively minor, local one and go from there, as it's not really disruptive enough on the whole to draw the kind of wide scale scrutiny that going for a Big Prize would.

Anyway, I do agree that buying up Appearance back to normal should be a priority soon--would we be able to also come up with a mitigation to our Chilling Presence flaw too @DragonParadox ? Something like being able to toggle it a bit on account of gaining better control of all this power?
 
Yeah they are indeed determined by random chance, not human agency at least not in the moral sense, humans obviously made the machines that spit out the random numbers. Regardless that means you are not running afoul of anyone's Free Will and your godlike power can just do the proverbial math.

Just keep in mind lottery wins do draw attention the more you win.
Is it specifically human agency?

Can we use the Crown to get the most likely to win bet in horse racing or something?

Edit: If its without jockeys.

Edit 2: First thing I'd want to buy is E2. Caps our essence spending per turn, mote pool and regen, gives Shintai...
 
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Honestly, mundane treasure hunting should work quite well for seed money. Go to an art museum, look at some works of famous authors and ask questions like "the locations of all the works by this author" or the like. I am willing to bet there are tons of art pieces in dusty old attics. There's also lost art we could recover. Or, if we don't want to bother, just make a tip to interested parties for profit. There's also mundane bounty hunting. How much was the price for the location of Ben Laden in 2006?
 
Also, fair is fair, winning a big name Lottery is going to draw Scrutiny that we can't really afford. It'd be better to stick to a relatively minor, local one and go from there, as it's not really disruptive enough on the whole to draw the kind of wide scale scrutiny that going for a Big Prize would.

Anyway, I do agree that buying up Appearance back to normal should be a priority soon--would we be able to also come up with a mitigation to our Chilling Presence flaw too @DragonParadox ? Something like being able to toggle it a bit on account of gaining better control of all this power?

Hmm on one level I do not want to make this too easy since flaws help define your relationship to the world and in the system they are supposed to be permanent. On the other hand you are an Exalt with the power to make flaws and derangement go poof, just not your own. The theme of overcoming the impossible does kind of get dented if you cannot warm up. It was a 2 point flaw so I'll say 5 XP should be enough to toggle it to the level where you are cold, but not a block of ice and 10 XP to train yourself out of it

Is it specifically human agency?

Can we use the Crown to get the most likely to win bet in horse racing or something?

Edit: If its without jockeys.

Edit 2: First thing I'd want to buy is E2. Caps our essence spending per turn, mote pool and regen, gives Shintai...

You can also win at the horse races guaranteed once with the crown. Again as far as your power is concerned one race is the same as the other because they are really mundane. I mean you are not even wagering for souls on the prowess of fire breathing Wyld-beasts :V
 
Please stop doing that, that whole "Only things with direct mechanical benefits are worth investing resources in". Sometimes XP is worth spending just to create a good story.
I acknowledge the idea, but no thanks.

Obviously I am expecting the vote to go through but I'll still state my opinion.

I know what I enjoy, and to me a "good story" is not a universal objective construct.

We've had this conversation before during chargen.
 
It's x4 to buy a merit and I wanted it to be harder to get rid of a flaw because that feels more in theme. Look at how hard it was for Harry to even start to get over his issues with treating women as damsels in distress and getting lead around by the nose.
It shouldn't be possible to remove a flaw at all unless it narratively makes sense.

E.g. Harry just fell for that flaw of his once again and it cost him. Or Murphy gave him more grief over it than usual.

There has to be a reason why it got removed. In addition to the CP cost.
 
It shouldn't be possible to remove a flaw at all unless it narratively makes sense.

E.g. Harry just fell for that flaw of his once again and it cost him. Or Murphy gave him more grief over it than usual.

There has to be a reason why it got removed. In addition to the CP cost.

The reason in this case would be literally magic. Molly sits in a dark room for a long time and meditates on Kakuri and how not to Kakuri, thinks generally warm thoughts and why she wants to be warm. Narratively you got the flaw because the first thing you asked of the Exaltation, the first way you wanted it to transform you was 'immune to cold' and 'let me use the cold to escape'.
 
Good point.Cash only then.
As long as we avoid lucky pennies anf first-earned dollars, no regular bill should have any particular connection to anything.
Eh, why bother.
This isnt DnD, and looting bodies for money isnt in theme for this setting or for the PC.

Powerball lottery counts as one situation you can put yourself in, so not 'this powerball lottery' since that would be unlimited free money OOC and IC your power does not see much of a conceptual difference. You can win the lottery once if you so choose.
I was thinking of it as more like an IC justification to buy dots in the Resource Background.

Also, fair is fair, winning a big name Lottery is going to draw Scrutiny that we can't really afford. It'd be better to stick to a relatively minor, local one and go from there, as it's not really disruptive enough on the whole to draw the kind of wide scale scrutiny that going for a Big Prize would.

Anyway, I do agree that buying up Appearance back to normal should be a priority soon--would we be able to also come up with a mitigation to our Chilling Presence flaw too @DragonParadox ? Something like being able to toggle it a bit on account of gaining better control of all this power?
No more than she already has as a child of a Knight of the Cross, or a bearer of an Exaltation.
No secret identities in this setting.

If you're talking about mundane attention?
While it is the norm in most of the US that lottery winners are public record, there are a bunch of states where lottery winning anonymously is legal. One is Ohio, which is under five hours drive from Chicago.

Many potential winners just dont think that far ahead, and most lotteries dont make it easy to do so because they benefit from the IDs of their winners being public.
Hmm on one level I do not want to make this too easy since flaws help define your relationship to the world and in the system they are supposed to be permanent. On the other hand you are an Exalt with the power to make flaws and derangement go poof, just not your own. The theme of overcoming the impossible does kind of get dented if you cannot warm up. It was a 2 point flaw so I'll say 5 XP should be enough to toggle it to the level where you are cold, but not a block of ice and 10 XP to train yourself out of it
Thats roughly the same cost as buying Disguise of the New Face and disguising as herself pre-Exaltation.
Or taking the disguise charm for the same effect.
More narrative oomph in anchoring herself in her humanity though.
It shouldn't be possible to remove a flaw at all unless it narratively makes sense.
E.g. Harry just fell for that flaw of his once again and it cost him. Or Murphy gave him more grief over it than usual.
There has to be a reason why it got removed. In addition to the CP cost.
I dont really agree.
Exalts often do what they want, especially in their own selves. In this particular case, being able to touch her family without freezing them is a big enough driver to motivate attempts to 'earn control over her own metaphysical physiology.

@DragonParadox
Actual question
Is there a reason Molly's siblings are not on her Intimacy list?
 
@DragonParadox
Actual question
Is there a reason Molly's siblings are not on her Intimacy list?

OOC because I made these people up for the quest, they are little more than names in canon and there are six of them. I do not think there is way in which I could work in another six intimacies without feeling forced, IC because she loves them but they do not define aspects of her character and her relationship to the world the way hero worship of her father, rebellion against her mother or Harry as the gateway to magic do
 
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