Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I think we lack the proper context to even ask worthwhile questions here, at least any that Ebeneezer would be willing to answer. Better to keep our mouths shut and enjoy another small victory while it lasts, IMO.

[X] No, as impressive and interesting as he has been you are just glad to have gotten through this
Ask about our job? Why vamps are working with outsiders?

Ask for any general advice?

Yeah maybe we dont have anything... super pressing.
 
I had to google this and I'm still unsure what it is. Is it supposed to refer to the boss asura Ravana from the Ramayana?

The Demon city of Lanka the one you get the hellfire mirrored from is ruled by Ravana... well ruled might be a bit of an overstatement. He broods in a ruined temple at its heart and dreams of nuclear annihilation. Yes that is also the one from the Ramayana.
 
Ask about our job? Why vamps are working with outsiders?

Ask for any general advice?

Yeah maybe we dont have anything... super pressing.
If we ask something he is unwilling or unable to answer, we might as well not have asked at all.

How does the saying go, 'better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than open it and prove yourself one'? Ebeneezer is old as dirt and we're 17. I think the less we talk at him, the more likely he is to respect us or at least not be annoyed by us.

Hell, I'm not even 40 yet and I don't think I could take a 17-year old seriously unless my life depended on it. By 300, a 17-year old would probably seem like a particularly mouthy infant.
 
Any chance we could manage to store a mote of essence in something that wizards can play with?

I'm curious to see if they could use it for anything, and being able to trade motes for money/ favors from wizards would be nice.

Plus handing a nuclear hand grenade to a member of the senior council sounds like it'd end in some hilarious shenanigans, possibly including large explosions or truly weird curses being used on the vampires.

They might not actually be summoning the Outsiders. The Outsiders' services could have instead been loaned to the Red Court in a bid to take out the Blackstaff without implicating the true summoner(s). It's not everyday that such a powerful and important wizard is vulnerable to an ambush, after all, and such attacks of opportunity are the bread and butter of a shadowy cabal like the Black Council.
That's possible, but still doesn't address why they felt safe doing so.

Working with outsiders is somewhere between using golems made of enriched uranium and decorating your troops' barracks with betrayal inducing memetic hazards.
 
Any chance we could manage to store a mote of essence in something that wizards can play with?

I'm curious to see if they could use it for anything, and being able to trade motes for money/ favors from wizards would be nice.

Plus handing a nuclear hand grenade to a member of the senior council sounds like it'd end in some hilarious shenanigans, possibly including large explosions or truly weird curses being used on the vampires.


That's possible, but still doesn't address why they felt safe doing so.

Working with outsiders is somewhere between using golems made of enriched uranium and decorating your troops' barracks with betrayal inducing memetic hazards.

The hard part about binding essence outside yourself seems to be that the world is just to essence poor that the moment you bring it out of the range of your soul, including your anima it just sublimates which means that any container you use has to be sealed to the point where it cannot escape and then the wizard had better be very fast using it once they let it out.
 
Any chance we could manage to store a mote of essence in something that wizards can play with?

I'm curious to see if they could use it for anything, and being able to trade motes for money/ favors from wizards would be nice.

Plus handing a nuclear hand grenade to a member of the senior council sounds like it'd end in some hilarious shenanigans, possibly including large explosions or truly weird curses being used on the vampires.
I would be worried about this actually being a really stable and effective source of power for wizards to call upon, once the issues of storage and utilization are worked out. If that turns out to be the case, we really, really don't want that information getting out. We've already got enough enemies merely by choosing to oppose the assholes that eat people or treat them as toys without suddenly becoming a massive source of renewable magical power.

If we ever did learn to do this, I don't think we should trust the knowledge to go any further than Harry.
 
I would be worried about this actually being a really stable and effective source of power for wizards to call upon, once the issues of storage and utilization are worked out. If that turns out to be the case, we really, really don't want that information getting out. We've already got enough enemies merely by choosing to oppose the assholes that eat people or treat them as toys without suddenly becoming a massive source of renewable magical power.

If we ever did learn to do this, I don't think we should trust the knowledge to go any further than Harry.
Fair enough. I think anyone interested in trying to farm an infernal for power would probably be willing to force the issue just knowing we exist, but there would be some risk involved.

If we could do something like that keeping it secret from people outside our immediate circle until we're more trouble than it's worth would be a good idea.

Still, I can't help but wonder what a guy who's CV includes things like assassinating a vampiric duke by somehow deorbitting an old Soviet satellite on his fortress home hard enough to kill him and the nearly three hundred other people in there with him could do with a fistful of raw potential.
 
Still, I can't help but wonder what a guy who's CV includes things like assassinating a vampiric duke by somehow deorbitting an old Soviet satellite on his fortress home hard enough to kill him and the nearly three hundred other people in there with him could do with a fistful of raw potential.
I feel like Yomi Wan-flavoured Essence would be unsafe for wizards to use, but then, Blackstaff.
 
I feel like Yomi Wan-flavoured Essence would be unsafe for wizards to use, but then, Blackstaff.
Maybe, but wizards deal in dangerous forces all the time.

The DF magic system doesn't require them to channel it through their souls or something, so I'd bet he could do something with it via careful ritual work.

Which is probably the only way it'd be safe to work with it even if it isn't somehow corrupted with infernal cooties.
 
[X] No, as impressive and interesting as he has been you are just glad to have gotten through this
 
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Why does Molly only have a 1 in appearance?
I mean, she's usually described as being an attractive young woman, so should have had probably a 3. 1 basically means (in Exalt terms) you're ugly, with 2 being average appearance.
 
Turning briefly back to the vampire war, we should consider how we might be able to play information dealer to the White council.

Obviously we don't want knowledge of CoE to get out, so we need something to give a vaguely legitimate sounding excuse for how we know things if we go that route.

Next time we fight some red vampires we should ask where they could go in town to access court resources so we can raid places launder our info through.

The loot will be better when we're attacking a facility instead of defending against a kill team anyway, so it's worth our time even if we don't use it for info games.
 
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Why does Molly only have a 1 in appearance?
I mean, she's usually described as being an attractive young woman, so should have had probably a 3. 1 basically means (in Exalt terms) you're ugly, with 2 being average appearance.
IIRC, when this question was asked previously, DP explained that Molly's physical appearance didn't so much change but that her presence did, supernaturally speaking, so that her newly acquired innate offputtingness detracts from her appearance for mechanics purposes.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] How did he wind up being chased by vampires on the way here anyway? You'd think traveling by portal should be harder to intercept.
 
[x] "Hey Harry, is now the right time to be asking the sorts of questions I was asking in the church" (aka obliquely check with Harry if you should offer Ebenezer some psuedo-intellectus backed questions)
 
[X] Yes
-[X] How did he wind up being chased by vampires on the way here anyway? You'd think traveling by portal should be harder to intercept.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] How did he wind up being chased by vampires on the way here anyway? You'd think traveling by portal should be harder to intercept.
 
[x] "Hey Harry, is now the right time to be asking the sorts of questions I was asking in the church" (aka obliquely check with Harry if you should offer Ebenezer some psuedo-intellectus backed questions)
He's trustworthy, but not that trustworthy.

Giving him information is one thing, but telling him how we get it is very risky and isn't really necessary at the moment.

If we want to help the wizards with red court related info, we should ask questions about individual actors during scenes where we're interacting with their minions.

For example, asking for all the information useful to the white council that a particular vampire knew about the red court while standing over their corpse after a fight, or raiding one of their holdings and asking for a list of everything it was used for before burning it to the ground.

We'd get plenty of implausible but not impossible to acquire information without making it obvious how good our vision is. It'd also give us narrow situations to ask about instead of burning general categories like we'd probably have to do to ping something so distantly connected to the current scene.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] How did he wind up being chased by vampires on the way here anyway? You'd think traveling by portal should be harder to intercept.

I can give you the answer to this one OOC.

You don't travel directly via portal in Dresden Files - you pop into the Nevernever, travel a short distance there to somewhere that corresponds to somewhere far away from your origin in the mortal world, and pop back. Repeat as necessary to get precisely where you need to be. You can just wing it and hope that where you exit the Nevernever kind of fits with where you want to be, but there are some fairly standard routes called Ways.

Currently, the vampires control a lot of these Ways (but they're about to not do that because Winter has decided to kick them out, butterflies notwithstanding). Ebenezar tries to travel, gets ambushed. Simples.

The thing is, IC Molly has seen this happen for herself now, and shouldn't really need to ask this, especially with Occult 5. Unless I'm being dense and you have something you're leading up to with this, in which case go wild.
 
I can give you the answer to this one OOC.

You don't travel directly via portal in Dresden Files - you pop into the Nevernever, travel a short distance there to somewhere that corresponds to somewhere far away from your origin in the mortal world, and pop back. Repeat as necessary to get precisely where you need to be. You can just wing it and hope that where you exit the Nevernever kind of fits with where you want to be, but there are some fairly standard routes called Ways.

Currently, the vampires control a lot of these Ways (but they're about to not do that because Winter has decided to kick them out, butterflies notwithstanding). Ebenezar tries to travel, gets ambushed. Simples.

The thing is, IC Molly has seen this happen for herself now, and shouldn't really need to ask this, especially with Occult 5. Unless I'm being dense and you have something you're leading up to with this, in which case go wild.
Personally I'm more interested in how the red court managed to smuggle Outsiders into what was likely Winter territory.

Also how they managed that without causing a mutiny among the strike force, cause that shit is a one way trip to a pissed off Sidhe's torture dungeon at best if they get caught. You're not only consorting with their mortal enemies, you're effectively mocking them with it in their own homes.

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Yep, between that and Uriel's testimony, apparently there's no real case anymore, and with the Blackstaff going "Yeah, we don't really have a case", that largely covers us from Official Fuckfuckery.

Which was the most important part.
Our malfeasance, hah, has been reported to the appropriate authorities in case anything comes out. Its certainly a layer of protection.
Personally I'm more interested in how the red court managed to smuggle Outsiders into what was likely Winter territory.

Also how they managed that without causing a mutiny among the strike force, cause that shit is a one way trip to a pissed off Sidhe's torture dungeon at best if they get caught. You're not only consorting with their mortal enemies, you're effectively mocking them with it in their own homes.

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It probably helps that they aren't real outsiders. Its probably just something that got in ages ago teleoperating.
 
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[X] No, as impressive and interesting as he has been you are just glad to have gotten through this
 
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