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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] Mention that you have a connection to the highest levels of the White Court and your plan to reach out to Lara so that she can deal with the rogue elements
 
I don't know if it makes things better or worse if we mention that if Lara doesn't then this is a violation of our cease fire and we start firing back on our own.
 
fictionfan said:
I don't know if it makes things better or worse if we mention that if Lara doesn't then this is a violation of our cease fire and we start firing back on our own.
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breaking promises can have consequences even on the magical level for supernatural's in general really. Given there's some vagueness to it and levels of damage depending on what kind of promise is being made. Usually its more political though.
 
I hope that we can come up with some stunts because this seems like a hard sell. The white court is certainly not at the level of being a nation state in it's own right.

This is more on the level of if a agent of the republican party went out and started killing black people as a proof of concept. If that were the case I don't think that we would be content to have the republican party clean house internally no matter how much political influence it has.

[X][stunt]"If you try use proper channels you are going to get a cease and desist order from [person who is being blackmail] or someone else in the police that they have influence on within the day.". At Murphy's look of surprise you say "I have been looking into the nature of their influence I don't really like the idea of my government and public institutions being run by vampires anymore then you do. But I want to pull the rug out all at once."
-[x] Actually can I put a spirit in your phone? So long as you keep it with you it should warn me if you are being subverted somehow. Also you could really help me with the investigation. Also it would allow me to manage secure connections with you over the phone.
 
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Maybe we can use the Chaos to get a hook on Lara?

I still tjink the White Court is the easiest target for a takover in the current setting.
 
The wording of the pact is slightly ambigous whether or not the order of the cauldron falls under our interests given her reference to our sewer gang but not the cauldronites but it shouldn't be an issue.

For a moment the dark haired vampire looks even more nonplussed, though not as much as Thomas who looked to be on the verge of a very angry reaction. Then she says what are perhaps the most surprising three words she could have: "Formal non-aggression pact?"Taking our silence as an invitation to continue she expands on them. "Between you and the White Court, or your little sewer pack if you prefer, not to attack the interests of the White King specifically nor he yours. You get recognition I have a formal reason to command the elders not to meddle with you as long as you do not coerce any of the Court to your side, which you seem unlikely to do."
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We should ask Murphy if she knows whether or not the LOC is an Accords signatory because that changes the political implications of things.

[]"Do you know if the Library of Congress is a signatory to the Unseelie Accords? They're basically the supernatural geneva convention. I haven't gotten around to reading the list of signatories yet but I've read the text.
[]"The way I see it we've got 3 options. The above board Unseelie Accordslike option where I go to my Raith contact in the White Court establishment and they punish the predominantly Skavis parties rather than violate the nonaggression pact they have with me, probably leading to some degree of inter-court conflict. The one where your bosses do something and if they aren't Accords signatories the LOC gets treated as an extension of me and the Court starts using the government assets they've got since I did it first. I probably end up having to call in a marker or become a federal fugitive. If all else fails I am totally willing to sword up over this. I was conflicted over making that pact in the first place."
 
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fictionfan said:
I hope that we can come up with some stunts because this seems like a hard sell. The white court is certainly not at the level of being a nation state in it's own right.

This is more on the level of if a agent of the republican party went out and started killing black people as a proof of concept. If that were the case I don't think that we would be content to have the republican party clean house internally no matter how much political influence it has.

[X][stunt]"If you try use proper channels you are going to get a cease and desist order from [person who is being blackmail] or someone else in the police that they have influence on within the day."
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As a whole their basically a fairly powerful army. Not a nation I mean even the summer and winter courts would be considered small nations from a human standpoint in modern times at least. Given that doesn't make the white court weak or anything supernatural ability, the amount of resources they have, skills, and the logistics of courts is still pretty terrifying.

Also I put a funny cause the republican scenario made me chuckle sorry.
 
fictionfan said:
I hope that we can come up with some stunts because this seems like a hard sell. The white court is certainly not at the level of being a nation state in it's own right.

This is more on the level of if a agent of the republican party went out and started killing black people as a proof of concept. If that were the case I don't think that we would be content to have the republican party clean house internally no matter how much political influence it has.
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The closest analogy is a mafia war. With superpowers.
 
Yog said:
The closest analogy is a mafia war. With superpowers.
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Yeah though their a pretty large mafia by real world standards, also more resources and connections, and well being able to jump in and out of the nevernever if only at specific locations is a nightmare.

Actually their only kinda united and its not like their just in one place. So yeah in chicago basically a mafia war.
 
This does make me wonder about what Marcon's relationship with the white court looks like. They both have very similar areas of interest enough so that they would basically have to cooperate or be at war.

Then again I guess both groups would be content with the police being ineffective they don't need to control them and in that they can work together.
 
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fictionfan said:
This does make me wonder about what Marcon's relationship with the white court looks like. They both have very similar areas of interest enough so that they would basically have to cooperate or be at war.
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That is actually an interesting point - if White Court is going to be embroiled in a civil war, it gives other powers an opportunity to move in onto their properties and businesses.
 
Here's my current thought. Run Murphy through what we're pondering for possible responses.

[]"Do you know if the Library of Congress is a signatory to the Unseelie Accords? They're basically the supernatural geneva convention. I haven't gotten around to reading the list of signatories yet but I've read the text."
[]"The way I see it there's several possibilities. The above board Unseelie Accordslike option where I go to my Raith contact in the White Court establishment and they punish the predominantly Skavis parties rather than violate the nonaggression pact they have with me, probably leading to the supernatural equivalent of a mob war in Chicago. The one where the White Council and/or Harry does something I haven't brought him in on this business yet but they'd probably be interested. The one where your bosses do something and if they aren't Accords signatories the LOC gets treated as an extension of me so the Court starts using their government assets since I did it first. If all else fails well... they broke a non aggression pact with someone who can 1v1 a Greater Akuma and win."
 
Yog said:
That is actually an interesting point - if White Court is going to be embroiled in a civil war, it gives other powers an opportunity to move in onto their properties and businesses.
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Only if it lasts long enough for other powers to even know what is happening. If Lara will cough up the locations and gives even slight support Molly could eliminate the targets in a afternoon.
 
Bits and pieces of stunts and things that I want to include in the vote, but I don't want to make a plan.

[X][stunt]"If you try use proper channels you are going to get a cease and desist order from [person who is being blackmail] or someone else in the police that they have influence on within the day.". At Murphy's look of surprise you say "I have been looking into the nature of their influence I don't really like the idea of my government and public institutions being run by vampires anymore then you do. But I want to pull the rug out all at once."

[X][Stunt]"I am putting a lot of trust in you here. By telling you all this I am taking responsibility for your actions. It is very likely that the Court starts using their government assets since I did it first. Which means that I am likely on the run from the FBI very quickly."

[x] Actually can I put a spirit in your phone? So long as you keep it with you it should warn me if you are being subverted somehow. Also you could really help me with the investigation. Also it would allow me to manage secure connections with you over the phone.
 
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OctarineShrike said:
Does Murphy know about our Cyberdevils yet? Or is that a secret we aren't particularly concerned with?
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If anything it's likely better if it's known we have access to cyber devils because it explains our knowledge. Also we haven't actually been that secret about their existence what we downplay is how easily we can summon them.

Mortal mages can summon cyber devils. It's just a big involved process and they can't bond for perfect loyalty. Also they only get temporary binding so the cyber devils always know that they are going back to the wicked city eventually which does put a damper on the relationship.
 
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[X] Mention that you have a connection to the highest levels of the White Court and your plan to reach out to Lara so that she can deal with the rogue elements
 
fictionfan said:
If anything it's likely better if it's known we have access to cyber devils because it explains our knowledge. Also we haven't actually been that secret about their existence what we downplay is how easily we can summon them.

Mortal mage's can summon cyber devils. It's just a big involved process and they can't bond for perfect loyalty. Also they only get temporary binding so the cyber devils always know that they are going back to the wicked city eventually which does put a damper on the relationship.
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I would disagree with this assumption. It's better to leave our source of information in doubt, especially in regards to Murphy.

She doesn't trust us much, doesn't particularly like us much, and is now an asset of the Library of Congress. Anything she learns about us is one more thing they might learn in turn.

It's not top secret information, but it is still a fairly well kept secret. The longer we can go before it enters general circulation, the better.

TLDR; We shouldn't overshare.
 
[X] Mention that you have a connection to the highest levels of the White Court and your plan to reach out to Lara so that she can deal with the rogue elements
 
Yog said:
There's about to be a civil war / purge happening among the White Court in the city. The closest equivalent is a mafia war.
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This might end up looking more like a purge in Stalinist Russia, honestly. Lara is on shaky ground since her ascension and this ill-timed farce is only going to leave her further undermined, the sort of thing that is going to require a very clear message be sent in response: You play the game by her rules or else she beats you to death with the poker table. Not picking a side might just mean everyone is going to say you are picking the other side.

And... yeah. We're about to become a very, very visible persona for their Court. From the perspective of some White Court who isn't perfectly in the know this is going to look like the woman getting serious and calling in John Wick on her own initiative, assuming that this was part of the deal from the night when we signed the treaty.

Coincidences are never going to be assumed. Everything was planned, even and especially when it wasn't.
 
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Modus_Tollens said:
And... yeah. We're about to become a very, very visible persona for their Court. From the perspective of some White Court who isn't perfectly in the know this is going to look like the woman getting serious and calling in John Wick on her own initiative, assuming that this was part of the deal from the night when we signed the treaty.
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As long as it ends with Lara owing us I'd be okay with that.
Otherwise I'd prefer to kill our foes in the WC without looking like we are working for her.

Either way though, taking out Madrigal before he can cause more damage in the process of emberassing himself and his family is going to satisfying.
 
[X] Mention that you have a connection to the highest levels of the White Court and your plan to reach out to Lara so that she can deal with the rogue elements
-[X]On the pact if asked: I have no intention of trying to preserve it if they give me reason to consider it broken.
-[X]"If you're going to ride with me on this, and even if you aren't, there's a very important question here. Is the Library of Congress a signatory to the Unseelie Accords? If you aren't aware of them they're basically the supernatural geneva convention. I only got through the main text recently so I haven't gone through the signatories yet."
-[X]"If things go south and the Library isn't a Signatory, odds are you'll be considered an extension of me under chapter 3. I'm not a signatory right now but that doesn't mean it won't color their thinking. Meaning the White Court starts using its government assets because I did it first and it's completely possible I and maybe you end up a federal fugitive in the absence of allies with political capital to spend counteracting them."
-[X]"The White Council may consider this matter of interest to them, but they're fighting the Red Court. I haven't called Harry on this yet"
-[X]"Best case scenario they either punish the involved parties themselves or give us their blessing to hunt them down. Thoughts?"
 
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Modus_Tollens said:
This might end up looking more like a purge in Stalinist Russia, honestly. Lara is on shaky ground since her ascension and this ill-timed farce is only going to leave her further undermined, the sort of thing that is going to require a very clear message be sent in response: You play the game by her rules or else she beats you to death with the poker table. Not picking a side might just mean everyone is going to say you are picking the other side.

And... yeah. We're about to become a very, very visible persona for their Court. From the perspective of some White Court who isn't perfectly in the know this is going to look like the woman getting serious and calling in John Wick on her own initiative, assuming that this was part of the deal from the night when we signed the treaty.

Coincidences are never going to be assumed. Everything was planned, even and especially when it wasn't.
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Gonna be honest it really shouldn't this excites me though.
 
All in all I find it kinda funny that we are telling a cop we'll either kill near a dozen people, or be asset to someone else doing it in the near future.

I don't think that will backfire, but as a concept it's hilarious.
 
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