Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X]Plan Lovecraft
-[X] Attend school: 1AP
-[X] Masterworks for money: 1AP
--[X] All that glitters,
ye old dream of making gold from lead, now with radiation: 1AP
-[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal: 1AP
--[X] Talking to the family
-[X] Restoring the Last Station:
1AP + 1 bonus AP
-[X] The Worst Wingwoman: 1AP
-[X] The Seeker Sought: 1AP
 
However? Covering a single person's medical needs + hiring a naagloshii whisperer + construction materials for a Dragons Nest + construction materials for vehicles is rather more than just hospital bills. Especially since at least two of those are things we dont want to show up on our bank statements if anyone pays off/whammies a bank worker or brings a warrant.
All of those are those are resource 2 expense at most. 2 steps down your resources allows for several dozen such a year without issue. 1 step down is much more limited.

And their is this thing called taking money out of the bank and paying in cash/diamonds, gold etc.
 
No, your presence is not focused enough to have an anima in that state.
Is that just for crafting purposes? I vaguely recall something about a ruling on mental actions/charms being allowed when we were talking about how to get out of a sealed bottle if we got trapped in RVD.

Which has a fun implication about the larger scale if MHM can be used normally in that state.

It's not very practical, but making telekinetic attacks against anyone in line of sight to any part of say the Atlantic Ocean sounds like a grand old time. :V

Actually, on the topic of the impractical, does that large scale ranged crafting thing extend the full breadth of MHM's range? I'm not sure why we'd try, but could Molly make crafting checks on the the lunar surface from her back yard?
 
And for vehicles - depends on what Odin wants, I guess. I mean, if he wants a suborbital jet, that's one thing. A nuclear submarine is another. Just some armored cars? A totally third situation.
The development and build program for 10x armored Suburbans for the US State Department was 36.4 million dollars.
www.caranddriver.com

Chevy Suburban U.S. Diplomatic Limos on Order in $36.4 Million Program

The U.S. State Department is getting 10 of the pricey heavy-duty, armored and securitized versions of the classic big GM SUV.

Average 3.64 mill per vehicle.
And these are just for protective services for moving people around, not to go into combat.
Modified existing vehicles. Not a new model built groundup to a purpose.

Granted, there's RnD money bundled i there. But thats RnD for a vehicle that already exists; all they were doing is installing bulletproof materials and better comms.
All of those are those are resource 2 expense at most. 2 steps down your resources allows for several dozen such a year without issue. 1 step down is much more limited.
And their is this thing called taking money out of the bank and paying in cash/diamonds, gold etc.
No they arent. Resources 2 in M20 is Lower Middle Class. Just the hospital bills for someone without health insurance can be multiple times the yearly salary of a lower middle class person. Dont ask me how I know; theres a reason medical bankruptcy was the highest cause of bankruptcy in the US during this time period.


The United States domestic financial system automatically generates reports on transactions above $10,000 and sends them to analysts to track for signs of suspicious activity. There are very good reasons why people active in the supernatural world prefer transactions in cash or precious metals and jewels that dont ever cross paths with banks.

And why we need to keep a liquid stash of the same for anything that might draw scrutiny,
Like hundreds of thousands of dollars of construction materials that dont show up anywhere else.
 
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The development and build program for 10x armored Suburbans for the US State Department was 36.4 million dollars.
www.caranddriver.com

Chevy Suburban U.S. Diplomatic Limos on Order in $36.4 Million Program

The U.S. State Department is getting 10 of the pricey heavy-duty, armored and securitized versions of the classic big GM SUV.

And these are just for protective services for moving people around, not to go into combat.
Modified existing vehicles. Not a new model built groundup to a purpose.
Sure once you pay for the several hundred of people involved in that. For a single person solo much lower.
The United States domestic financial system automatically generates reports on transactions above $10,000 and sends them to analysts to track for signs of suspicious activity. There are very good reasons why people active in the supernatural world prefer transactions in cash or precious metals and jewels that dont ever cross paths with banks.

And why we need to keep a liquid stash of the same for anything that might draw scrutiny,
Like hundreds of thousands of dollars of construction materials that dont show up anywhere else.
Sure would be convenient it we had a business that makes diamonds, oh wait we do. And construction material, that just investing in your businesses that's a tax write off.
 
Is that just for crafting purposes? I vaguely recall something about a ruling on mental actions/charms being allowed when we were talking about how to get out of a sealed bottle if we got trapped in RVD.

Which has a fun implication about the larger scale if MHM can be used normally in that state.

It's not very practical, but making telekinetic attacks against anyone in line of sight to any part of say the Atlantic Ocean sounds like a grand old time. :V

Actually, on the topic of the impractical, does that large scale ranged crafting thing extend the full breadth of MHM's range? I'm not sure why we'd try, but could Molly make crafting checks on the the lunar surface from her back yard?

If someone locks you in a bottle you can mind hand your way out yeah, but you would not have enough fine control for crafting.
 
COMMENTARY
The announced jackpot is always a lot more than what a winner actually receives.
A 64 million jackpot means a payout of 50% if you take the cash payout option, then around a third of the remainder goes to taxes.
By the time you do all your expenses and taxes, you're down to 20 million or less, and you havent even set up a family trust fund yet.

We shouldnt blow our one allowed lottery win on something so small.
The juice is not worth the squeeze.

The next actual substantial payouts are in January, when there's a 213/254 million Powerball jackpot in the third week, which will give us ~70-80 million after taking cash and paying taxes.
Or if we have patience, there's a 390 million MegaMillions jackpot in the first week of March.
The powerball for that drawing was 5X , so we are looking at 320 millions, actually, so it might be worth it.
 
Sure once you pay for the several hundred of people involved in that. For a single person solo much lower.
Its not people, its skilled man-hours.

Sure would be convenient it we had a business that makes diamonds, oh wait we do. And construction material, that just investing in your businesses that's a tax write off.
Not everyone takes diamonds.Some do, but the accepted medium of exchange in the Accords is gold. Thats what Marcone paid weregeld in when he killed the Fomor sorcerer. Gold, and other precious metals, are fungible; melt them down, and they can be sold or exchanged anonymously. Jewels are much more distinctive.

So if we make precious metals by nuclear transmutation, we'd have them exchanged quietly.


Yeah no.
We are a "precious jewels" company. We fab diamonds. Not a construction company. We have no business buying construction materials, because we would then have to account for building contractors, building plans, and building permits, and inspections.

Dont make misrepresentations of material fact to the government when they keep records.
 
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Worst Wingwoman: Sandra Marlin is time sensitive.
We either take that this month, or odds diminish as other players take the field.Because Winter will be looking too, and Winter has a LOT of resources to do so, and a definite grudge. And Nemesis might be cleaning up its tracks as well
I don't think this one is that time sensitive, or rather that if it was we're probably already at the floor in terms of information decay.

If nemesis set this up then it's presumably been watching the results. Our learning about Sandra wasn't the point where the clock started ticking, Molly's second breath was.
1) I expect Odin will provide his own materials.
2-4) We do have resources 4 and Thomas managing it in the background, presumably Molly makes a couple diamonds in her "downtime" within an hour or two and Thomas takes care of the time consuming task to actually sell them. We do already have enough money for all you've listed here.
Doubt it. That wasn't the deal after all. Quibbling with him over material costs when we promised a product instead of simple labor is just going to sour the deal in abrupt contract negotiations.

We could make a bomb collar and perma awake it.

That way we can trigger oit on demand.
Really bad plan.

Most supernaturals in DF are gimmick bosses. Everyone is primed to look for the one neat trick to your powers that they can use to poke you if they're substantially more threatening than a sack of wet mice.

Harry uses this sort of thing in every book, as does pretty much every wizard, and nearly lost his hand when the black court turns it around on him in analyzing his shield spell. A group, it's worth noting, that was almost completely wiped out specifically because of the white court functionally setting the same thing up at scale.

If we put on a bomb collar or start running around in the gimp suit of ultimate power it will be noticed and used against us at the worst possible time.
If someone locks you in a bottle you can mind hand your way out yeah, but you would not have enough fine control for crafting.
That's fair.

What I was interested in there was more whether we could dip into the Atlantic and beat up people on the coast without getting out first or not.
It is so easy scamming the government, companies do it all the time
That is a very big "it depends" sort of thing.

The government isn't in fact full of idiots, and depending on what sort of lie you tell different groups will respond in different ways. Something that's also inherently political.

There's a reason the guys you see cheating and getting away with it for long periods of time pay fantastic amounts of money for accountants and lawyers to do so, and it isn't because they're running a white collar jobs program.
 
And a lot of them regularly end up in jail, put there by their own paperwork.

We expect to be looked at.
And by some people who we dont count as either friends or competent, like Daedalus.
We proceed on that basis. At least, its wiser to.
We can definitively outplay the government. On of our archytype is the rogue archtype for a reason, solar castes i mean.
There's a reason the guys you see cheating and getting away with it for long periods of time pay fantastic amounts of money for accountants and lawyers to do so, and it isn't because they're running a white collar jobs program
Yeah we can just do that.
 
That's fair.

What I was interested in there was more whether we could dip into the Atlantic and beat up people on the coast without getting out first or not.

Not to any significant degree, you could make what is basically telekinetic wind, but there just wouldn't be enough 'Molly Carpenter' in any patch of water to get significant blows. The ruling was designed to stop you from being defeated by a bottle cap not offer perfect cover in any body of water. Of course you can still get very good cover by swimming under the water as a human and using telekinesis above water.
 
And a lot of them regularly end up in jail, put there by their own paperwork.

We expect to be looked at.
And by some people who we dont count as either friends or competent, like Daedalus.
We proceed on that basis. At least, its wiser to.
We run an company that would take up tens of thousands in employees and energy cost, for little more then the land is worth.
 
I don't think this one is that time sensitive, or rather that if it was we're probably already at the floor in terms of information decay.

If nemesis set this up then it's presumably been watching the results. Our learning about Sandra wasn't the point where the clock started ticking, Molly's second breath was.
I dont think so.
We know that according to the RPG, Dresden looked for Sandra after Proven Guilty but couldnt find her. Which indicates they already had impressive extraction procedures, given Dresden's talents in investigation and finding lost stuff and people.

But hiding from Dresden is one thing.
Hiding from Winter is quite another . The clock on this started ticking after Maeve was freed and said this in front of Mab and Molly.
At least, thats my opinion.
We can definitively outplay the government. On of our archytype is the rogue archtype for a reason, solar castes i mean.

Yeah we can just do that.
We would have to invest significant amounts of effort to do so. And it would have its own costs.
An ounce of prevention, et cetera.
Not to any significant degree, you could make what is basically telekinetic wind, but there just wouldn't be enough 'Molly Carpenter' in any patch of water to get significant blows. The ruling was designed to stop you from being defeated by a bottle cap not offer perfect cover in any body of water. Of course you can still get very good cover by swimming under the water as a human and using telekinesis above water.
There's a 5 dot charm that fills an area around Molly with water.
Im looking forward to seeing how that interacts with Rendered Villain Dispersal.

We run an company that would take up tens of thousands in employees and energy cost, for little more then the land is worth.
No we dont.

We own a four thousand square feet warehouse as company HQ and a company with two employees.
There's also some other land, but theres nothing there atm.
Because there's nothing declared on taxes or building permits or fire code records.

Dont overestimate us.
That way lies a lot of scrambling when it comes back to bite us
 
Yeah we can just do that.
I wouldn't call something with a step one like "spend millions on quality professional assistance" easy. Not that we can't do it, but we can also simply not insist on doing things like a con artist.

We don't actually have to explain most purchases as long as we don't make material claims about them that impact other people. Skip calling it a business expense to try for the tax break and no one will care.
 
The development and build program for 10x armored Suburbans for the US State Department was 36.4 million dollars.
www.caranddriver.com

Chevy Suburban U.S. Diplomatic Limos on Order in $36.4 Million Program

The U.S. State Department is getting 10 of the pricey heavy-duty, armored and securitized versions of the classic big GM SUV.
Average 3.64 mill per vehicle.
And these are just for protective services for moving people around, not to go into combat.
Modified existing vehicles. Not a new model built groundup to a purpose.

Granted, there's RnD money bundled i there. But thats RnD for a vehicle that already exists; all they were doing is installing bulletproof materials and better comms.
Realistically, the vehicle we made for Mab would be more expensive than that (because no iron, custom design, and having to work everything out), if developed by real people. It cost us barely anything. We are an exalt, with a Craft focus. RnD is, if not easy, then not costly at least.
Its not people, its skilled man-hours.
We are an exalt. With Cyberdevil background, which includes spammable cyberdevil minions. Who have technology 3, which is "trained professional" level. And have human reaction times when put into mobile phones. And access to internet and superhuman ability to process information. TTC a supercomputer, put those in, and you have free skilled man-hourse if we don't want to do it ourselves. If we want to, craft mechanics is our specialty. We roll close to 20 dice at DC 3.

RnD for this is not an issue. At all.

And on the subject of nuclear synethesis, here are my calcs on the topic:
Interesting idea, but:
1) 100Mo is only 9.6% of natural isotopic content of Mo. So, add a step and make it 200$ per kg. That's not the issue, the issue is time it takes to do isotope separation. I wasn't able to find the data for Mo, and data for U is most probably classified, but that isn't a fast process.
2) 100Mo is transmuted into 101Ru, not the natural isotopic content. We need a further reaction to transform it into 102Ru, which is probably done via 101Ru(p,d)102Ru reaction (it was the only one I was able to find). This takes time, produces a lot of radiation (which would cause activation of all materials around us and probably kill our family), and most likely has separate reactions going on (i.e. the output is below 100% 102 Ru, with a lot of other nuclear products which has to be separated from the output).
3) 103Ru transmutes to 103Rh with a lifetime of 35 days. Assuming that we get a 5 time rate increase for a natural decay, where we don't actively affect the material at all (arguable), it's still 35 days of constantly running TTC to make 103 Rh non-radioctive (it is generally considered safe after 5 to 10 half-lifes to handle radioactive material).
4) The price of Rh is very non-stable. It is in fact the most unstable precious metal on Earth.
5) The amount of attention this will bring to us is much higher than diamond production. A very smart high schooler could, in principle, make a CVD installation in their parents' garage and work out a revolutionary production method. But elemental transmutation and isotopically pure rare metals is definitely nuclear stuff. Assuming that radiation detectors around Chicago won't pick it up, resellers will have a lot more questions for us.

Iridium to platinum is possible, but not very profitable. Unless we build a radiation-resistant bunker where we will store the material as it decays, we could only use 193ir. It has isotopic abundance of 62.7% sharply cutting into our profit margins.

These are interesting ideas, and nuclear-forged Rhodium would + synthetic gems would be rad materials for jewelry crafting (very small market, but very high price; probably present it to someone like Mab or someone else to demonstrate our supreme mastery of craftsmanship), but they remain much less feasible than gem making or jewelry making using normal materials.
Basically, at 5 or even 10 times acceleration, nuclear transmutation of materials is a fool's errand. Tool Transcending Constructs gives us constructs, not "things happen magically immediately". And the effort, just in terms of profit, would be measly. If you want to profit, make stuff like collector's watches or weapons to sell - we are making weapons for Odin already. Trying the half-brained scheme just hurts me and goes against everything I have been taught.

And yes, Uju, I know that you disagree. Your math still doesn't work, no matter how much you want it to.
 
If we want quick money, either win a lottery, find a golden vein using any random gold ring as a focus for the crown with a question of "where is the largest unclaimed and undiscovered gold vein on the planet that is not father than 10 meters from the surface", or sell stuff we are actually good at. Milk scorpions for their venom with TTC. That's appropriately Infernal, if nothing else. And it goes for 39 million per gallon.
 
Make high temperature superconducting wire maybe. It goes for ~ 100k a kilometer if I recall correctly, and that's in 2020s, not back in 2006. Or make nanotube cable.
 
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