Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

One thing that is worth keeping in mind about Winter is that these are literal immortals, they are not like old wizards who still have the sensitivities of mortals, they are patient in the way the rocks and glaciers are. There is no doubt in Molly's mind that Maeve and probably Mab as well are looking for Sandra and that she will most likely really hate it when then find it. But is it going to be this month, this year, this decade? That is harder to tell.
Normal Winter schemes are one thing, and can span centuries. Responding to Nemesis/Outsider schemes are something else.
My impression has always been that Outsider-facing schemes get an urgency that normal grudges or investigations do not.
I mean, Small Favor!Dresden can certainly attest to Fae being shockingly efficient at the manhunt thing when they actually care.

Thats my two cents anyway.
 
PLAN
[X]Plan Lovecraft
-[X] Attend school: 1AP
-[X] Masterworks for money: 1AP
--[X] All that glitters,
ye old dream of making gold from lead, now with radiation: 1AP
-[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal: 1AP
--[X] Talking to the family
-[X] Restoring the Last Station:
1AP + 1 bonus AP
-[X] The Worst Wingwoman: 1AP
-[X] The Seeker Sought: 1AP



RATIONALE
Looking at the options:
School goes without saying.
So does Last Station.
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Worst Wingwoman: Sandra Marlin is time sensitive.
We either take that this month, or odds diminish as other players take the field.Because Winter will be looking too, and Winter has a LOT of resources to do so, and a definite grudge. And Nemesis might be cleaning up its tracks as well.

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Friend in Need: Talking To The Family
Rosie was pregnant in June, so she is either very late 2nd trimester, or early 3rd trimester. Its November now, so her due date is in January or very early Febuary. We need to get proactive about her family affairs, and like @Yog said, addressing Mr and Mrs Wilson's issue is essentially practice for dealing with Charity. This is time-sensitive.

And to be clear, there are legitimate reasons for her mother and stepfather to have concerns or push for adoption.

Just financially speaking, labor and birth services for a baby(or babies, because I somehow have it in my head that Rosie has twins) is anywhere from ~9000 dollars at the very cheapest Chicago hospital to around 27000 dollars at the UChicago Medical System as of 2019.

And this is for an uncomplicated vaginal birth. Any complications whatsoever and bills climb.

Rosie is an 18-19 year old Hispanic kid with no job or inheritance, a history of drug use, who just aged out of her family health insurance. And this is pre-Obamacare.
Pregnancy is a pre-existing condition for health insurance. So is addiction.

And we're just talkimg initial birth here.
Not everything involved in raising them while still attempting to go to school or find a job as a single parent(and her mother almost certainly wants her to go to college)

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-The Seeker Sought is time-sensitive.
Having a cult of cannibalistic spellworkers camped out in a Chicago-area park and nature preserve, where humans frequent, is a recipe for disaster.

Wont be long before people start to vanish
Especially Talented people, because skinwalkers gain power from killing victims with magic. These folks have no self-control; they ate one shaman even when told not to. Same reason you dont let wild coyotes camp out next to your chicken farm.

Besides, the prisoner said they were called for war.
We probably want to forestall that.


-Masterworks for Money because we need extra cash this month.
  • We need to acquire raw materials before reaching out to Odin for his specs.
  • Harry has already tried appealling to people's sense of civic duty about the naagloshii, and that hasnt helped so far. So Molly should try cold hard cash as an additional incentive.
  • With Rosie, putting five figures in cash on the table to help with Rosie's medical bills go a fair way to getting her parents to take Molly seriously as a stakeholder in her future.
  • Also, Last Station. Our friendly elemental wants a train, so we are probably going to need raw materials to build one
 
Normal Winter schemes are one thing, and can span centuries. Responding to Nemesis/Outsider schemes are something else.
My impression has always been that Outsider-facing schemes get an urgency that normal grudges or investigations do not.
I mean, Small Favor!Dresden can certainly attest to Fae being shockingly efficient at the manhunt thing when they actually care.

Thats my two cents anyway.

Uhm... the only answers I can give to this are one color of another of spoilers. Poke Maeve or Mab for more info on what they think of Sandra and how they might react is all I can say.
 
  • We need to acquire raw materials before reaching out to Odin for his specs.
  • Harry has already tried appealling to people's sense of civic duty about the naagloshii, and that hasnt helped so far. So Molly should try cold hard cash as an additional incentive.
  • With Rosie, putting five figures in cash on the table to help with Rosie's medical bills go a fair way to getting her parents to take Molly seriously as a stakeholder in her future.
  • Also, Last Station. Our friendly elemental wants a train, so we are probably going to need raw materials to build one
1) I expect Odin will provide his own materials.
2-4) We do have resources 4 and Thomas managing it in the background, presumably Molly makes a couple diamonds in her "downtime" within an hour or two and Thomas takes care of the time consuming task to actually sell them. We do already have enough money for all you've listed here.
 
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-The Seeker Sought is time-sensitive.
Having a cult of cannibalistic spellworkers camped out in a Chicago-area park and nature preserve, where humans frequent, is a recipe for disaster.

Wont be long before people start to vanish
Especially Talented people, because skinwalkers gain power from killing victims with magic. These folks have no self-control; they ate one shaman even when told not to. Same reason you dont let wild coyotes camp out next to your chicken farm.

Besides, the prisoner said they were called for war.
We probably want to forestall that.

Sadly people are always vanishing, that is a function of the world in which monsters hide in plain sight. More people might start vanishing, people that will be missed maybe, since these are strangers and do not know how to pick out victims that would not be caught out by the cops. While this is not the World of Darkness it is still a pretty bleak place to be the kind of person who fell though the social safety net.
 
Worst Wingwoman: Sandra Marlin is time sensitive.
We either take that this month, or odds diminish as other players take the field.Because Winter will be looking too, and Winter has a LOT of resources to do so, and a definite grudge. And Nemesis might be cleaning up its tracks as well.
Realistically speaking, why shouldn't we let them?
-Masterworks for Money because we need extra cash this month.
  • We need to acquire raw materials before reaching out to Odin for his specs.
  • Harry has already tried appealling to people's sense of civic duty about the naagloshii, and that hasnt helped so far. So Molly should try cold hard cash as an additional incentive.
  • With Rosie, putting five figures in cash on the table to help with Rosie's medical bills go a fair way to getting her parents to take Molly seriously as a stakeholder in her future.
  • Also, Last Station. Our friendly elemental wants a train, so we are probably going to need raw materials to build one
Molly is a socially aspected celestial exalt. We are much better at asking than Harry is. Also much scarier.

I don't think we need that much money. Raw resources aren't expensive. Iron, carbon, stuff like that is cheap. So, I dont' worry about Odin at all. Neither do I worry about Last Station, honestly. scrap metal is cheap.
 
-[X] Masterworks for money: 1AP
--[X] All that glitters,
ye old dream of making gold from lead, now with radiation: 1AP

-Masterworks for Money because we need extra cash this month.
  • We need to acquire raw materials before reaching out to Odin for his specs.
  • Harry has already tried appealling to people's sense of civic duty about the naagloshii, and that hasnt helped so far. So Molly should try cold hard cash as an additional incentive.
  • With Rosie, putting five figures in cash on the table to help with Rosie's medical bills go a fair way to getting her parents to take Molly seriously as a stakeholder in her future.
  • Also, Last Station. Our friendly elemental wants a train, so we are probably going to need raw materials to build one
Do you really think making another business is better than pushing out more diamonds?
We have everything set up for that after all.
 
Molly wants answers.

Winter won't provide them for free, if they are inclined to look for the answers Molly wants at all.

If they can find her at all. Canonically winter did not find her.
It didn't? I thought that was Harry. And we can get foci from her time posing as a mortal woman in Chicago for answers. We can definitely get her plans, identity, allies, location, etc.
 
Also, Odin or Last Station should be effectively free. Iron is cheap. So is coal. After that, TTC to make new steel. That's not an issue at all.
 
It didn't? I thought that was Harry. And we can get foci from her time posing as a mortal woman in Chicago for answers. We can definitely get her plans, identity, allies, location, etc.
Mab did watch as an Ice Statue right in Arctis Tor as Harry rescued Molly. We just didn't see her, because our Awareness sucks.

There's no way she didn't look into how that debacle happened.
 
Uhm... the only answers I can give to this are one color of another of spoilers. Poke Maeve or Mab for more info on what they think of Sandra and how they might react is all I can say.
Fair enough.
1) I expect Odin will provide his own materials.
2-4) We do have resources 4 and Thomas managing it in the background, presumably Molly makes a couple diamonds in her "downtime" within an hour or two and Thomas takes care of the time consuming task to actually sell them. We do already have enough money for all you've listed here.
1)No he wont.
Because he doesnt know what it involves for a craftsperson making a notIFV, and he certainly isnt going to want to draw the attention of shipping that from Norway to Chicago.

2)I dont think so.
Else I would not be bothering.
Realistically speaking, why shouldn't we let them?
Because we need the intel?
If someone was targeting us and our family then, they probably are still doing so.
If we know, we can better defend against it.

If Winter get her first, it'll cost more.
And thats assuming they ask before her agonizing death. Or just summary execution.
Molly is a socially aspected celestial exalt. We are much better at asking than Harry is. Also much scarier.

I don't think we need that much money. Raw resources aren't expensive. Iron, carbon, stuff like that is cheap. So, I dont' worry about Odin at all. Neither do I worry about Last Station, honestly. scrap metal is cheap.
Molly being a socially aspected Exalt means we are better at asking. It doesnt guarantee success, any more than when Mab asks Harry for a favor. And we're not trying to convince your average schlub, we're talking to older, experienced people who withstand the blandishments of spirits and see off naagloshii. Think people with the mental fortitude of Dresden or Charity.

The edge matters.


We really do.You havent seen what inpatient US medical bills are like for people without health insurance, and this is before Obamacare even forced some rules on things.
And Rosie has already been admitted to hospital once this year for physical trauma.

We spent thousands of dollars on Last Station last time we worked on it.
And right now we want to build a train as part of the upgrades.
I dont think that will be enough.
Do you really think making another business is better than pushing out more diamonds?
We have everything set up for that after all.
It goes through the same channels that Thomas set up.
And under the same company.
We just diversified a little.

It does help to test our limits before we need to use them for real.
 
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If they can find her at all. Canonically winter did not find her.
There's no way she didn't look into how that debacle happened.

Looking at how the debacle happened doesn't mean that they were searching for Sandra after, frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they never searched for her in canon, here Mab wants to because it is a Nemesis plot, in canon it apparently is closer to being a winter one, no reasons to push far.
 
Also, Odin or Last Station should be effectively free. Iron is cheap. So is coal. After that, TTC to make new steel. That's not an issue at all.
It isnt. I quote:
There are, you find over the next few days, limitations to even the powers you have been bequeathed when it comes to renovations, for one you only have two hands and even running full tilt fast enough to make the wind whistle in the ear, you can only move them so fast. But that's OK you think, you have friends...

"Subjects," Usum points out, with the weary sigh of someone turning over in their sleep to get some obvious correction out of the way.

Whichever, point is the Jade Dogs provide plenty of hands to do manual labor with, but that just leads to another problem. When you had been working alone you could work with just a cart full of supplies and whatever you could scavenge down below, metal can be reformed, plastic can be recycled, even concrete can be ground down and reused. However now that you are working with regular people, most of whom do not have much experience in the restoring a subway station, you are going to need a lot more stuff to do it with. Paints, plural, varnish, glue, mortar, the list goes on and on.

"Yeah we are going to need an actual entrance all our own to get all this stuff down there," you conclude setting aside Clippy as her screen goes dark
Thats an IC Molly assessment.
I cant find the other quotes right now, other errands to run.
 
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Because we need the intel?
If someone was targeting us and our family then, they probably are still doing so.
If we know, we can better defend against it.

If Winter get her first, it'll cost more.
And thats assuming they ask before her agonizing death. Or just summary execution.
We don't need her for the intel, not really. Her signatures, which should be plentiful, images of her, the apartment she rented all should be valid foci for her plans, the plans of her allies, the identities and locations of her allies.
Molly being a socially aspected Exalt means we are better at asking. It doesnt guarantee success, any more than when Mab asks Harry for a favor. And we're not trying to convince your average schlub, we're talking to older, experienced people who withstand the blandishments of spirits and see off naagloshii.

The edge matters.
Molly being socially aspected exalted is only half of the equation. The main part is "exalt". When Harry Dresden, a Warden of White Council asks you to fight a naagloshii, you know that you are seriously risking your life with little meaningful backup, because no, Dresden can't take it. When Molly Carpenter, the Empress-to-Be flies into your apartment crowned in fury and green fire, and asks you to lend her a hand? That's a completely different story. Because Molly is quite sure she can take naagloshii on, and I am willing to take her at her word.

Worst comes to worst? Our services and things we make are much, much more useful and important than money. We could trade some super-coffee, which apparently is not an easy recipe for mortals for help. A yearly supply or something. Would cost us essentially nothing, really. If they won't want to get into our good graces.
We spent thousands of dollars on Last Station last time we worked on it.
And right now we want to build a train as part of the upgrades.
I dont think that will be enough.
We have a monthly income of ~ 400 k dollars, if I recall correctly ( @DragonParadox please correct me if I am wrong). And probably a cash reserve of > 1 million dollars. That should be more than enough.

Better yet - what does Molly herself think about her liquid assets, @DragonParadox - does she think she'll need more money for supplies, scrap metal in tens of tons range, etc? Also for Rosie.
 
I vote for charity to get opportunities to catch Molly in action if she does that.

That'll be a fun talk.

Skip the middleman and make a "bomb" collar that phones Charity and explains our current actions if we try to escape. Now that's CCC motivation.

We really do.You havent seen what inpatient US medical bills are like for people without health insurance, and this is before Obamacare even forced some rules on things.
And Rosie has already been admitted to hospital once this year for physical trauma.
Hospitals are extremely expensive, but also usually willing to bill on long time scales. Rosie's bills should be basically a non-issue for us.
 
We have a monthly income of ~ 400 k dollars, if I recall correctly ( @DragonParadox please correct me if I am wrong). And probably a cash reserve of > 1 million dollars. That should be more than enough.

Better yet - what does Molly herself think about her liquid assets, @DragonParadox - does she think she'll need more money for supplies, scrap metal in tens of tons range, etc? Also for Rosie.

Depends on what you want to do Resources 4 is well off but not fantastically wealthy. You could certainly pay Rosie's medical bills, get her an apartment, but you would have to make some trade offs as to what kind. On the Last Station, a lot of what you need you can make and smelt yourselves so it's not as costly. For vehicles.. depends on how many scrap yards you want to raid for parts to repurpose.
 
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Hospitals are extremely expensive, but also usually willing to bill on long time scales. Rosie's bills should be basically a non-issue for us.
They wouldnt be an issue for Molly alone.
They are an issue because it involves Rosie Marcella and her parents, the Wilsons. Because the financial implications for their faughter probably has a direct bearing on some of the advice they are providing.

Making it clear that its not an issue eliminates that as an argument.
Molly being socially aspected exalted is only half of the equation. The main part is "exalt". When Harry Dresden, a Warden of White Council asks you to fight a naagloshii, you know that you are seriously risking your life with little meaningful backup, because no, Dresden can't take it. When Molly Carpenter, the Empress-to-Be flies into your apartment crowned in fury and green fire, and asks you to lend her a hand? That's a completely different story. Because Molly is quite sure she can take naagloshii on, and I am willing to take her at her word.

Worst comes to worst? Our services and things we make are much, much more useful and important than money. We could trade some super-coffee, which apparently is not an easy recipe for mortals for help. A yearly supply or something. Would cost us essentially nothing, really. If they won't want to get into our good graces.
1)We have lost arguments to Charity, and she has no training beyond being a parent.

Dresden is a known entity, has professional acquaintances among the Native American people, and comes with the bona fides of the White Council. Yet that wasnt enough. We are an Exalt, but we scan as an Infernal-linked entity of some sort to most people, and most Native American medicine men.And we have no bona fides here.

Just getting them to take money to come to Chicago is an Exalt-worthy feat.



2)They dont want our services and things.
We do not have the reputation or the face to face cred for a white hat Native American shaman to accept goods and services from an Infernal Exalt with the magical signatute of an archdevil. Money is fungible and much harder to taint.
 
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We have a monthly income of ~ 400 k dollars, if I recall correctly ( @DragonParadox please correct me if I am wrong). And probably a cash reserve of > 1 million dollars. That should be more than enough.

Better yet - what does Molly herself think about her liquid assets, @DragonParadox - does she think she'll need more money for supplies, scrap metal in tens of tons range, etc? Also for Rosie.
I did the math on that, based on Molly taking a 1AP action every 2 months for money.
I dont think its going to be enough for this situation.
Thats my opinion
 
From M20 core Resource 4
Well-off: You own a large house, some property,
and at least two vehicles, as well as notable levels
of savings and investments. By local standards,
you're a millionaire, and although that's not
worth as much as it once was, it's still nothing
to sneeze at.
A lot but not where the unlimited power of money comes, in that starts at about resource 6. That being said covering someone living and medical needs is no issue.
 
Depends on what you want to do Resources 4 is well off but not fantastically wealthy. You could certainly pay Rosie's medical bills, get her an apartment, but you would have to make some trade offs as to what kind. On the Last Station, a lot of what you need you can make and smelt yourselves so it's not as costly. For vehicles.. depends on how many scrap yards you want to raid for parts to repurpose.
Oh, absolutely understood for Rosie. It'll be a temporary situation, and we'll upgrade shortly afterwards anyway.

And for vehicles - depends on what Odin wants, I guess. I mean, if he wants a suborbital jet, that's one thing. A nuclear submarine is another. Just some armored cars? A totally third situation.
 
From M20 core Resource 4
Well-off: You own a large house, some property,
and at least two vehicles, as well as notable levels
of savings and investments. By local standards,
you're a millionaire, and although that's not
worth as much as it once was, it's still nothing
to sneeze at.
A lot but not where the unlimited power of money comes, in that starts at about resource 6. That being said covering someone living and medical needs is no issue.
Im not sure if we're using M20 or V20 for Resources.

However? Covering a single person's medical needs + hiring a naagloshii whisperer + construction materials for a Dragons Nest + construction materials for vehicles is rather more than just hospital bills. Especially since at least two of those are things we dont want to show up on our bank statements if anyone pays off/whammies a bank worker or brings a warrant.
 
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