Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

VOTE
[X]Plan Party Animal
-[X]Try to get the spy under wards
-[X] Lara's place, nothing quite like dealing with a cannibalistic cosmic abomination to bring new allies together
-[X] Thomas, Molly, Lara, Lydia and the captive get into Black Rider and head for the Raith estate.
-[X] Thomas drives with Rider's assist, Lara and Lydia guard the captive in the backseat, Molly rides shotgun so she can fly out the window to defend if they come under attack.
-[X] Molly: Call Harry and Michael, update them both
-[X] Lydia: Call Cauldron to keep their heads down
-[X] Clippy: Alert Jade Dogs and other at-risk associates
-[X] Cyberdevils: Cross reference captive's face against missing person's reports
-[X] Warn Murphy as we promised to do, and Gard just in case.
-[X] STUNT: The sleek form of Black Rider's chassis pulls up to the curb as you emerge from the service entrance, shield flat against your leg as you scan the area, then lead the way at a brisk pace. Thomas comes behind you, shoulder propping up the barely-conscious form of the watcher as Lydia and Lara bring up the rear. You stand guard, eyes and senses repeatedly sweeping the area as they strap the captive into the back, plug his ears and blindfold him before getting in, only stopping when Thomas straps himself into the driver's seat, a moment before you follow suit. "Thomas, floor it." Resting your shield against your knee as the car peels out, you pull out your phone with a sigh, meeting Lara's eyes in the passenger mirror."Okay, cliff notes. A skinwalker is a...."


RATIONALE
The Raith place is much better suited for a potential fight with a celestial abomination of pain and terror.

More than half a square mile of woodland, lots of water for BSM and Rendered Villain Dispersal, beachfront access to Lake Michigan. Plus, they have a doctor and medical facilities on-site for dealing with the Watcher's injuries, which Dresden's flat does not have.

The important things for our purposes,
=Armed security force
=Live-in physician on-site.
=On-site clinic where both Justine and Luccio were treated after the naagloshii attack in Turn Coat.
=Lots of water
=Solitude and isolation, so that a serious fight doesnt harm civilians or attract the authorities

So somewhere to get this man to for medical attention without having to spend limited HP potions.
And somewhere we can cut loose in response to offense without having to worry about a fight

And if it was 30 minutes to get there with Dresden's Blue Beetle driving sedately, we can cut that time in half, or possibly by two thirds in a Mercedes CLS driven by a possessing cyberdevil thats been told to floor it and fuck the speed limits. Rush hour should be over, so we can burn rubber.
Can you imagine if we got chased due to a traffic violation? Lol
 
Donald Morgan killed two Dukes of the Red Court in open combat and was within twenty paces of the Red King when the dude broke and ran. He is precisely as scary a combat wizard as his reputation makes him out to be.

Listens to Wind drove Shagnasty away. He injured it, but nothing permanent, and he broke his arm in the process.
And he's a Senior Council wizard, a savant of hidden knowledge and Power more than three hundred years old. Dude is a strategic weapon. His peers are responsible for stuff like stopping an army of Outsiders with one impromptu ward, setting off Krakatoa, and the Tunguska airburst.

To give you some perspective, Shagnasty in canon is described as having the equivalent metaphorical mass of being his own leyline, and that just his being present distorts the magical flows in the environment.

I would expect Shagnasty from the books to lolpwn that entire force of akuma including Eiko and the Will of Kakuri, at once, on their own chosen turf. Solo.
His demonstrated suite of capabilities would be enough to pull it off.

I am not exaggerating when I say he's up there.
The only major non-Ethniu book villain I'd maybe consider in the same general weight class in a scrap from demonstrated feats would be Ursiel!Genoskwa from Skin Game.


-Exactly. Naagloshii actually qualify to be inmates alongside all the other baddies, even if only minimum security.
Whampires require special dispensation to be imprisoned in Demonreach; they are considered too weak to be worth the trouble.

-We dont know what the rune arrays do.
For all we know, they are just there to protect the Warden's residence, as opposed to having any implications for Alfred or Demonreach.

-Im reasonably sure that isn't true.
A physical element sometimes exists, but I dont recall anything about it being a prerequisite. A lot of things appear to be anchored in mortal society by memory and their remembrance by mortals.

For all we know its some sort of curse that limits them to tribal lands, and that never applies to a physical spot because tribal lands have changed locations many times since white settlers showed up.


-The problem like I said, is that we need to project enough force to be a credible threat in order to draw him off.
Thats a non-trivial investment, and not something we can currently whistle up at short notice just as a feint.
Throwing pebbles at a fortress wall is not going to do more than irritate the owner. Or motivate them to come at you hard before you can spread the knowledge around.


Oh sure.
Butcher explicitly said anything with free will cannot be held by demonreach for long. So the wampire comment is a bit off. Though I know the free will conversation here is annoying and the qm is definitely ignoring bits of it.
 
[X] Try to down the bird-thing, witnesses or no
-[X] Hunter's Bolt from Lydia
-[X] STUNT: A thousand considerations go through your head at the sight of the bird, comparing the feel of the magical curse you'd just felt with what you'd sensed previously, and coming to some unpleasant conclusions "Drive it off, Lydia." The corona of white fire around Lydia's hand condenses in response, and then a beam of white light darts out the window.
 
Fixed it for you.

Wonder how much we'll have impressed Laura by the end of this, something tells me she isn't anticipating the amount of bullshit cheating we can apply, let's make the known rules cry in a corner a little.
Lara though meh she's decently old she's probably encountered a handful of godlike existences so we are impressive for one so young but meh. Mind you they won't underestimate us she's adept in social and political movement.
 
Vote closed, death-bolt it is.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on May 24, 2023 at 1:50 PM, finished with 63 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] Try to down the bird-thing, witnesses or no
    -[X] Hunter's Bolt from Lydia
    -[X] STUNT: A thousand considerations go through your head at the sight of the bird, comparing the feel of the magical curse you'd just felt with what you'd sensed previously, and coming to some unpleasant conclusions "Drive it off, Lydia." The corona of white fire around Lydia's hand condenses in response, and then a beam of white light darts out the window.
    [X] Drive on, it's trying to slow you down and you are almost at the estate boundary
 
Arc 7 Post 15: In the House of the Hunters
In the House of the Hunters

31th of October 2006 A.D.

A thousand considerations go through your head at the sight of the bird, comparing the feel of the magical curse you'd just felt with what you'd sensed previously, and coming to some unpleasant conclusions "Drive it off, Lydia."

You were, as it turns out, wrong about one thing, the power in her hands is not silver fire, not bright thunderbolts. It is a spear, sharp enough to impale beasts that would bestride seas and crush mountains and it is a bleaching upon all that it touches, robbing colors as it does light along its inexorable path between the still open window and the false bird above. Where it strikes the fathers melt away, not burned but turned to dust. like they had aged and the flesh under it mummified. If there had been any doubt in your mind that this was no ordinary bird it is dismissed when it keeps flying possibly in defiance of the principles of aerodynamics, certainty those of biology. It wheels and wings its way back among the stands of defiantly green-clad willows from whence it had come as Thomas maneuvers adroitly around the van towards the house.

A dozen feet from the site of the near crash a motorcyclist is sprawled on the asphalt, groaning and moving weakly, he'd obviously been thrown when the bike had stopped working, but thankfully he had not hit anything 'just' fallen over when he had overbalanced and slid to s stop. His leg's probably broken.

There's a part of you that wants to get out and help, but even if you were not heading out to deliver a prisoner, something the others can admittedly do on their own, you are delivering prisoners of Chateaux Raith, the heart of the White Court's power, in the presence of its uncrowned queen. She's sure to take sympathy for weakness which would ruin the show you had put on for her so far and which seems to be working. That is a good thing, you assure yourself, wishing all the while it did not sound so much like a question under the eye of the decorative gargoyles

Who the heck has decorative gargoyles perched on the posts either side of the to the gate to their home? The same people no doubt who think turrets and cournices are a good idea no doubt. Oh certainly the lolling black tongues of and curling demonic horns add to the atmosphere of old wold menace to go with the servants on dark red jackets and security who are doing nothing to hide the fact that they are conceal carrying, but it all has the feeling of facade to it, like the world's most expensive movie set.

"I assume you will want to participate in the interrogation?" Lara asks as she presses the prisoner into the hands of her servants. She is looking at a point roughly equidistant between you and Lydia, but it is clear from her posture that she is expecting you to answer. Have I given the impression that Lydia is my vassal by 'instructing' her to shoot, you wonder, throwing the younger girl an apologetic look.

"That seems like the best compromise, it concerns all four of us," She says stepping onto the hardwood floor of the entrance hall with a thunk of substantial but stylish wedge heels

Inside the place keeps to theme, marble statues serene between the rushing people, like a turned over anthill, forewwarned of the danger, suits of armor polished to a mirror shine reflecting pale too beautiful faces not drawn with worry. Somehow you do not think they would appreciate the fact that you have to consciously stop yourself from looking around for a ticket booth for Vamp World, the new and exclusive theme-park. "I'll stay here, help hold off any attack..."

The thought occurs that you could ask for the timeline of any attack and thus if any would be forthcoming, but it would cost one more mote of power and right now fifteen minutes seems like an eternity even if you were willing to show off the ability to the White Court which you mostly are not.

What do you do?

[] Use the crown on the Estate itself to find the timeline of an attack

[] Head off at once to interrogate the prisoner with Lara, save your power for later

[] Write in


OOC: Molly is a lot less impressed with Chateaux Raith than Harry was in canon because you guys gave her heroic level crafting, she knows how all this stuff was put together and could probably do better, but at the same time a place of power that only feigns mundane defensiveness and is not an actual castle offends something at the back of her Exalted sensibilities she cannot name.
 
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Apropos nothing, but just thought I'd make a media public service announcement, if anyone here wants to take a look at the new Netflix Cleopatra docudrama to see what all the fuss is about, do yourselves a favor and don't. It is infuriatingly pandering and dumb, a word I use with malice and forethought since any less broad term could not encapsulate the sheer childish transparency of the narrative they are trying to convey. Cleopatra is the good guy, the native Egyptian queen fighting the colonizing Romans... Cleopatra, the Seventh, the woman who is not only the heir of a foreign Macedonian dynasty, but whose family tree looks like a circle is the champion of the Egyptian populace and apparently a First Century BC Girl Boss.

Never mind that she executed every one of her siblings she could get her hands onto as soon as she came to the throne, as was family tradition, this ancient tyrant is obviously a good role model for little girls because she shares a gender with them. I have to wonder did the people to wrote this thing consider why we generally do not consider the likes of Caesar, Antony or Octavian 'the good guys' in modern historiography and try to study them in the context of their society, striving for some measure of objectivity?

If ever a thing has eared its 1% Audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, it should not have attempted what it did and it failed miserably at it anyway.
 
Good to know. Sounds like they couldn't be bothered to do the research or just assumed no one who did would care. Even aside from Cleopatra's care as outline above, ancient leaders are generally poor role models for anyone.
 
Apropos nothing, but just thought I'd make a media public service announcement, if anyone here wants to take a look at the new Netflix Cleopatra docudrama to see what all the fuss is about, do yourselves a favor and don't. It is infuriatingly pandering and dumb, a word I use with malice and forethought since any less broad term could not encapsulate the sheer childish transparency of the narrative they are trying to convey. Cleopatra is the good guy, the native Egyptian queen fighting the colonizing Romans... Cleopatra, the Seventh, the woman who is not only the heir of a foreign Macedonian dynasty, but whose family tree looks like a circle is the champion of the Egyptian populace and apparently a First Century BC Girl Boss.

Never mind that she executed every one of her siblings she could get her hands onto as soon as she came to the throne, as was family tradition, this ancient tyrant is obviously a good role model for little girls because she shares a gender with them. I have to wonder did the people to wrote this thing consider why we generally do not consider the likes of Caesar, Antony or Octavian 'the good guys' in modern historiography and try to study them in the context of their society, striving for some measure of objectivity?

If ever a thing has eared its 1% Audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, it should not have attempted what it did and it failed miserably at it anyway.
caligula, xerxes, and Nero did nothing wrong!
 
Sounds like even Rome (the HBO series) was closer to the truth and that one was certainly more in it for the drama than any claim of being a documentary.

The thought occurs that you could ask for the timeline of any attack and thus if any would be forthcoming, but it would cost one more mote of power and right now fifteen minutes seems like an eternity even if you were willing to show off the ability to the White Court which you mostly are not.
Sounds like we could really use a dirty secret.
Too bad we are in the Raith's mansion, a place where certainly no interesting skeletons are buried that might refuel our tank.
By the way DP, it hasn't come up often, but taking a CoD in our service also triggers the refill, not just secrets.
So if we could, for example, convince the spy to follow us now, we already get some Essence back.

[X] Use the crown on the Estate itself to find the timeline of an attack
 
OOC: Molly is a lot less impressed with Chateaux Raith than Harry was in canon because you guys gave her heroic level crafting, she knows how all this stuff was put together and could probably do better, but at the same time a place of power that only feigns mundane defensiveness and is not an actual castle offends something at the back of her Exalted sensibilities she cannot name.

In short: Make sure to show Laura how you do a real defensive castle with supernaturals crafters when we get our own kingdom, got it.

Cleopatra, the Seventh, the woman who is not only the heir of a foreign Macedonian dynasty, but whose family tree looks like a circle

To be fair, the family tree looking like a circle is normal for the Egyptians leaders of the time... not that it really makes anything better.

Good to know. Sounds like they couldn't be bothered to do the research or just assumed no one who did would care. Even aside from Cleopatra's care as outline above, ancient leaders are generally poor role models for anyone.

Netflix and history's relationship is... one of their official show is one step shy of this:


And another is an alarmist and false retranscription of Three miles island who is about as true as the one just mentioned.
 
I didn't think we could use the Crown to gain information that was dependent upon divining choices which have not yet been made? Sure, the Skinwalker could be heading this way to attack the estate, but that's still not hard and fast information, considering the Human/monster variables which could change the course of events.
 
Good to know. Sounds like they couldn't be bothered to do the research or just assumed no one who did would care. Even aside from Cleopatra's care as outline above, ancient leaders are generally poor role models for anyone.

It is the crow-barred anti-colonialist message that gets to me. I mean yes she was the first of the Ptolemaic dynasty to learn Khemetic, but that is a low bar to slide under. British colonial officials would often learn Hindi and Urdu and other languages spoken in the areas under their rule, I guess that makes them the good guys according to the authors of this mess. Well OK that and the positive spin on Cleopatra assuming the mantle of a goddess in Pharaonic tradition. Someone should really tell the director and screenwriter that the divine right of kings fell out of fashion a while ago for a reason.

Anyway back to our regularly scheduled vampire/Demon Princess cooperative interrogation :V
 
I didn't think we could use the Crown to gain information that was dependent upon divining choices which have not yet been made? Sure, the Skinwalker could be heading this way to attack the estate, but that's still not hard and fast information, considering the Human/monster variables which could change the course of events.

I think this is a question about the present? "When does the enemy wants to attack?" or "How long would it take for the enemy to arrive for the attack they are already clearly going to do?"

Nothing about that contradict free will there, the decision is already taken, we are reading its consequences.
 
I didn't think we could use the Crown to gain information that was dependent upon divining choices which have not yet been made? Sure, the Skinwalker could be heading this way to attack the estate, but that's still not hard and fast information, considering the Human/monster variables which could change the course of events.

If a decision has been made and they are heading this way you will get a ping, if no decision has been made you will get a nul result. The crown was designed to see the future as much as the present and the past, it's just that now it has to operate around all this newfangled Free Will stuff. Back in my day we had the Loom and we liked it... :V
 
Back in my day we had the Loom and we liked it... :V

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