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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] Explain that you cannot actually brew up a cure for the Hunger
-[x] Tell her the truth of Mercy in Servitude
--[x]"If I had the kind of power you were hinting at, it would be one that came with a cost, a cost that is greater to the high and mighty due to its very nature. Think about that for now and we can talk more later."
 
[X] "This isn't the type of talk I am willing to have over a phone. I have some free time the day after tomorrow. If you are serious, meet me at Chicago Synthetics"

People like that never call someone their people call them, and then they talk.
 
Yog said:
The impersonation is an interesting idea.

[X] "This isn't the type of talk I am willing to have over a phone. I have some free time the day after tomorrow. If you are serious, meet me at Chicago Synthetics"
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Three objections:
1)We dont want her inside our manufacturing space
2)We would be responsible for her security, which we would be if she came to Chicago Synthetics
3)Isolation tempts people to try shit, or makes other people wary that you got whammied by the sex vampire.

Meet her at Mac's which is neutral, or somewhere open in public where people are unlikely to try to start shit.
Find a nice restaurant.
 
[X] "This isn't the type of talk I am willing to have over a phone. I have some free time the day after tomorrow. If you are serious, meet me at Chicago Synthetics"

Not to keep harping on it, but telling people things isn't free.

Google can show you numerous incidents where some idiot gave away the location and timing of their unit's next deployment by posting a vacation schedule online, or by posting a selfie when they shouldn't have.
Earth-Destroyer said:
It already a universal food we don't need alchemy.
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… This is my bad for poking this anthill again.

We've run this argument into the ground before, so the opinions of the thread regulars and why they have them should be well known by now.

But even setting that aside for a moment, giving MMP maggots to the white court directly would almost certainly backfire. They'd test the shit out of them and notice the effects eventually. Then we'd have to deal with retaliation from the court as a whole, assuming this is Lara anyway.
 
BronzeTongue said:
We've run this argument into the ground before, so the opinions of the thread regulars and why they have them should be well known by now.

But even setting that aside for a moment, giving MMP maggots to the white court directly would almost certainly backfire. They'd test the shit out of them and notice the effects eventually. Then we'd have to deal with retaliation from the court as a whole, assuming this is Lara anyway.
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Becomind a better minion for an Exalted AKA the winning side is a net positive for them.
 
uju32 said:
Three objections:
1)We dont want her inside our manufacturing space
2)We would be responsible for her security, which we would be if she came to Chicago Synthetics
3)Isolation tempts people to try shit, or makes other people wary that you got whammied by the sex vampire.

Meet her at Mac's which is neutral, or somewhere open in public where people are unlikely to try to start shit.
Find a nice restaurant.
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I considered Mac's and other public places, but there's not enough privacy there. We can't clear Mac's out for two days straight.

Security I don't consider a serious issue. I won't object to a different place of meeting, but I think Chicago synthetics is a good place.
 
BronzeTongue said:
[X] "This isn't the type of talk I am willing to have over a phone. I have some free time the day after tomorrow. If you are serious, meet me at Chicago Synthetics"

Not to keep harping on it, but telling people things isn't free.

Google can show you numerous incidents where some idiot gave away the location and timing of their unit's next deployment by posting a vacation schedule online, or by posting a selfie when they shouldn't have.

… This is my bad for poking this anthill again.

We've run this argument into the ground before, so the opinions of the thread regulars and why they have them should be well known by now.

But even setting that aside for a moment, giving MMP maggots to the white court directly would almost certainly backfire. They'd test the shit out of them and notice the effects eventually. Then we'd have to deal with retaliation from the court as a whole, assuming this is Lara anyway.
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I know that you think that Exalted powers are just magic easily identified and countered and that the white court are omni competent, but the reality is that our Exaltation is every bit at bullshit as Nemesis and was made to fight things even more bullshit. If they didn't notice Justine being inflected by Nemesis they aren't going to figure out anything about how our maggots work.

And even if they did a minus 1 DC is not such a bad thing. A much worse thing would be to make a potion that feeds the hunger and allow it to fall out of our control and cause havoc.
 
Yog said:
I considered Mac's and other public places, but there's not enough privacy there. We can't clear Mac's out for two days straight.
Security I don't consider a serious issue. I won't object to a different place of meeting, but I think Chicago synthetics is a good place.
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Do the same thing we did for Pauline Moskowitz; a bistro with private tables.
It was private enough for us to talk about our personal history.
I dont see the issue here.


VOTE
[X]Plan Stranger Danger
-[X]Activate All Things Betray: 1m
-[X]Decline to discuss anything further over the phone, and suggest a physical meeting later in the week
-[X]Call Thomas after the phone call, and ask him to check with his sister on your behalf if it was her who called your phone
-[X]STUNT: You briefly consider putting a cyberdevil into the other phone, then dismiss it as prematurely hostile. "Ms Raith, you have me at a disadvantage. If," and you stress the "if" as your senses sharpen, reaching for every nuance in the other person's voice "any of this was true, a reasonable person would hardly talk about it with a cold caller out of the blue. However" you make a show of pausing, like you were checking your schedule."I can do a meeting somewhere public on Thursday, if it suits your schedule." As your father gives you a look, you make a quick amendment. "After school." Which should give me enough time to have Thomas check that this was his sister.


RATIONALE
30 October 2006 is a Monday
Halloween falls on a Tuesday. Meeting her two days after Mab would be Thursday, November 2.
All Things Betray to boost our Perception rolls. If this isn't Lara Raith, I'd like to get everything off this call that we can.
Im doing this because its quite doable to spoof a phone number
 
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[X]Plan Stranger Danger
-[X]Activate All Things Betray: 1m
-[X]Decline to discuss anything further over the phone, and suggest a physical meeting later in the week
-[X]Call Thomas after the phone call, and ask him to check with his sister on your behalf if it was her who called your phone
-[X]STUNT: You briefly consider putting a cyberdevil into the other phone, then dismiss it as prematurely hostile. "Ms Raith, you have me at a disadvantage. If," and you stress the "if" as your senses sharpen, reaching for every nuance in the other person's voice "any of this was true, a reasonable person would hardly talk about it with a cold caller out of the blue. However" you make a show of pausing, like you were checking your schedule."I can do a meeting somewhere public on Thursday, if it suits your schedule." As your father gives you a look, you make a quick amendment. "After school." Which should give me enough time to have Thomas check that this was his sister.
 
[X]Plan Stranger Danger
-[X]Activate All Things Betray: 1m
-[X]Decline to discuss anything further over the phone, and suggest a physical meeting later in the week
-[X]Call Thomas after the phone call, and ask him to check with his sister on your behalf if it was her who called your phone
-[X]STUNT: You briefly consider putting a cyberdevil into the other phone, then dismiss it as prematurely hostile. "Ms Raith, you have me at a disadvantage. If," and you stress the "if" as your senses sharpen, reaching for every nuance in the other person's voice "any of this was true, a reasonable person would hardly talk about it with a cold caller out of the blue. However" you make a show of pausing, like you were checking your schedule."I can do a meeting somewhere public on Thursday, if it suits your schedule." As your father gives you a look, you make a quick amendment. "After school." Which should give me enough time to have Thomas check that this was his sister.
 
[X] "This isn't the type of talk I am willing to have over a phone. I have some free time the day after tomorrow. If you are serious, meet me at Chicago Synthetics"

[X] Plan Stranger Danger

Look, I'm all for telling the truth but let's not do it over the goddamned phone. Given how canonically exposed Lara's office is (looking at you, Nemesis) we want to do it somewhere personal.
 
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fictionfan said:
I know that you think that Exalted powers are just magic easily identified and countered and that the white court are omni competent, but the reality is that our Exaltation is every bit at bullshit as Nemesis and was made to fight things even more bullshit. If they didn't notice Justine being inflected by Nemesis they aren't going to figure out anything about how our maggots work.

And even if they did a minus 1 DC is not such a bad thing. A much worse thing would be to make a potion that feeds the hunger and allow it to fall out of our control and cause havoc.
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That's a lot of words to put in my mouth.

To start, I'm aware that exalted powers have more going for them than mortal magic. It's just that other people can do stuff too. What that means changes with context.

Charms have properties that can be at minimum observed, even if they're not possible to stop from acting within the confines of their function. People have different skills sets and perspectives which influence how they can and will approach things

In the case of the white court, it's not Omni-competence so much as it is that they're old, paranoid, and well established.

Tricky effects slipped into food are a classic, and checking if they explicitly magical stuff you're about to eat has a fish hook in it of some kind is a basic precaution. Especially when it's a serving of fat hell maggots fed on a steady diet of souls.

The comparison to nemesis is just silly. Nemesis is an active infiltration agent with plans and the willingness to wait to strike.

MMP is a fire and forget persistent alteration.

Nemesis is a stealth jet, and MMP is an ice cream truck. We could probably develop a killer stealth jet if we wanted to, but that's not what this charm is supposed to do.

In terms of consequences, I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Why do you think the white court would shrug it off as no big deal?

If our hypothetical alternate recipe got out, what damage might it do?

Not that I'm saying it's impossible for it to do harm, but you seem pretty adamant that it would immediately explode.
 
uju32 said:
This isn't Lara Raith. At the very least, its not behaving like her.

Its not good practice to give out information to random callers over the phone.
Arrange a physical meeting. AFTER Mab.
If its Lara they'll show. If its someone else, it'll smoke them out.
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... Why are you specifically quoting me about this instead of one of the people I copy-pasted my vote from? It's not even my plan.
 
I cannot truly break a curse. I can only suppress it with another willingly taken. The terms are less onerous for the young and destitute. Not so for the majority of your court.
 
Someone could have noticed that Molly has a very certain sort of effect on vampires that she doesn't have on mortals.

Molly has never heard Lara talk so it stands to reason to test this or put some social insulation with a mortal intermediary.

Thinking about it, that's quite a brilliant way of dealing with a social Exalt, especially if you're in a position to examine your meatshield mortal.
 
[X] "This isn't the type of talk I am willing to have over a phone. I have some free time the day after tomorrow. If you are serious, meet me at Chicago Synthetics"

[X] Plan Stranger Danger

Yeah. As long as SOME form of information security is used I'll be happy. If doesn't even need to be in our favor specifically but, yeah, her family is a pit of snakes that would happily listen in and we have the corrupt shadow of human civilization actively warring with us that can subvert all the tools of men. Lets not make it easy for anyone.

She wants to play ball, great. We're willing to deal with Mab and the Red Court as people you can, you know, make deals with... and Lash actually seems to get something approaching honest respect from us despite what she is and that we never met her. We'll deal. We'll even be manipulated when its convenient to be manipulated. But we won't be unnecessarily stupid about it.
 
Guys, we got nine successes on the Empathy check to realize what she means, and we won every roll-off with her due to our ability to ignore 1s. If she was lying about being Lara Raith, we would know. Don't second-guess what our superhuman Empathy greater than her Subterfuge pool is telling us.
 
[X] "This isn't the type of talk I am willing to have over a phone. I have some free time the day after tomorrow. If you are serious, meet me at Chicago Synthetics"

[X] Plan Stranger Danger
 
bengalqueen said:
Guys, we got nine successes on the Empathy check to realize what she means, and we won every roll-off with her due to our ability to ignore 1s. If she was lying about being Lara Raith, we would know. Don't second-guess what our superhuman Empathy greater than her Subterfuge pool is telling us.
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1)As far as I can tell, we didn't actually roll for identity.
Just social combat.
And there were enough things there that seemed strange to be worth doing a double check.

Not to mention that confirming the identity of who you're talking to is the sort of thing that is actually more likely to buy you respect for carefulness than assuming an unfamiliar voice on the phone is who they say they are.

A major plot point of Death Masks was a Denarian impersonating a Catholic priest, in Changes Duchess Ortega impersonated Susan, and Michael has told us about something similar happening on one of his missions in this AU.
Nor is it unknown for skinwalkers to use the telephone; Shagnasty did in Turn Coat


2)Not entirely accurate.
DragonParadox said:
Rolls
Lara tries to get you off balance vs Molly to See Through her
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Lara rolls Manipulation + Subterfuge 11 dice at DC6. 5 successes.
Molly rolls Perception + Empathy + Excellency 14 dice at DC6. 7 successes.
Molly wins.
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Molly playing dumb vs Lara to see through it
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Molly rolls Charisma + Subterfuge + Excellency 12 dice at DC6. 6 successes.
Lara rolls Wits + Subterfuge 10 dice at DC5. 6 successes.
Tie.

I dont remember who wins in a tie, if its defense or offense; if its defense, then Lara wins.
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INT+Empathy to realize what she means
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9 successes.
Molly understands what she means.

Doing the math?
Assuming there are no environmental or circumstantial bonuses in play? If Man+Subterfuge = 11 and Wits + Subterfuge =10, then whoever this is has
  • Manipulation 6
  • Wits 5
  • Subterfuge 5

Pretty brawny social and mental stats.

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Small nitpick:
Molly is currently Perception 3, Empathy 5.
She should have rolled 16 dice with an Excellency, not 14.
 
[X] "This isn't the type of talk I am willing to have over a phone. I have some free time the day after tomorrow. If you are serious, meet me at Chicago Synthetics"
 
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