Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

And is there anything stopping a fey from having a bunch of unpaid debts. Likely for a very long time? It might be unwise for a fey to do things on a whim, but they are clearly capable of doing so. Saying that they lack free will is just trying to confuse the issue.
Having options doesn't mean they don't also lack certain options humans have.

Anyways about to have surgery see ya later.
 
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Perception+Occult: 1, 2 ((Can't give more details at the moment)
I give it even odds they've noticed us already, even though they don't appear to have reacted yet.

Molly is not subtle at the best of times, and they've been waiting for us.

I'm hoping we can off at least one vampire before the main fight starts, because it'll let us test MiM and confirm if it will help us here or not.

Lydia's spirit killer definitely applies, so we should probably lean on her more here to avoid letting Molly get mote tapped.

I'd also like to keep Michael close, because separating us is probably the big plan they have to avoid getting PDA'd by Amoraccius.

Splitting the party is generally a bad idea but sending Gard, Harry, Murphy, and half the mooks to handle the vampires while Molly, Micheal, and Lydia go for the kid might be worth considering. Then we meet and go for the ghouls if they haven't sprung their trap by that point.

  1. It does when environmental dangers are concerned, but not generally
How rules lawyerable is that?

If our goal is to get them safely back home then would stuff like physically undoing their restrains or things specifically related to getting them out clean count?
And is there anything stopping a fey from having a bunch of unpaid debts. Likely for a very long time? It might be unwise for a fey to do things on a whim, but they are clearly capable of doing so. Saying that they lack free will is just trying to confuse the issue.
I think it's psychologically unpleasant for them, and it's definitively materially dangerous. Fey debt trading goes both ways; if someone with an axe to grind buys up enough debt the fey in question is going to be in for a rough time.
 
I give it even odds they've noticed us already, even though they don't appear to have reacted yet.
We are rolling up with about twenty people, including a mortar-team.
And now we hear that Murphy has ensured there's no traffic nearby.

They'd have to be blind and deaf not to notice us.

If our goal is to get them safely back home then would stuff like physically undoing their restrains or things specifically related to getting them out clean count?
Enemy action is not environmental danger.
Saving them from the building after someone sets it on fire would trigger the effect, trying to save them from one of the Akuma throwing a grenade won't.
 
Additional note:
The bastards had nailed the vampires to the back wall by their left hand right grasping spasmodically at empty air as they beg for release even in death. But there is no mercy to be found in the dead hearts of their captors. Instead an akuma, one of three on guard, drags Abel by a collar closer closer to them. A look of mingled longing and disgust flashes upon the faces of the vampires, the demon driving them to the edge of frenzy. A tirade of curses from Dean mixes with Theodora's weeping and the crude laughter of one of the other guards s he kicks an unconcious Tuzi, in cat form, aside to watch the show that had been clearly been going on for hours.
Worth remembering that our Whamps here are Malevolo. Fear vampires.
One way or the other, they are feeding very well today.
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  1. Yes
  2. Molly has no idea, the vision was not that detailed
  3. It does when environmental dangers are concerned, but not generally
  4. Yes they do
  5. Yep, adventurer's mantra 'always bring rope', though they did leave the 10 foot pole at home
  6. It is cut off by the cope, that is what you brought them for
1)Alright then. Molly is going to the torture room in a bottle, Lydia goes to Deborah.
2)Fair
3)Cool. If nothing else, we can be sure that our hostages arent likely to take damage from environmental reasons caused by us breaching through the wall or the roof
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5) :V
6)👍

@DragonParadox
QUESTION
1)We saw three of the akuma here. Do they appear as young/fresh/inexperienced as the ones with Eiko, or older?
I am looking for contextual cues if these are longstanding entourage members of the greater akuma, or relatively recent recruits like Eiko's squad appear to be?

2)Does Murder is Meat activate for lesser akuma if we choose to have it do so?
 
So if we learn any occult secrets does it not count since we just did? Cause if not we can ask a question about one the various individuals here and what their plans are. Cause that almost definitely includes occult secrets. Cause I don't know what powers akuma have but I'm savy enough to at least question if some of the hostages are fake. Like I doubt they are but I mean I've seen it happen before. That or just a question about the area and all the plans made here in the last few days.

Edit; been waiting for about half an hour for my doctor to return lol.
 
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Additional note:

Worth remembering that our Whamps here are Malevolo. Fear vampires.
One way or the other, they are feeding very well today.
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1)Alright then. Molly is going to the torture room in a bottle, Lydia goes to Deborah.
2)Fair
3)Cool. If nothing else, we can be sure that our hostages arent likely to take damage from environmental reasons caused by us breaching through the wall or the roof
4)👍
5) :V
6)👍

@DragonParadox
QUESTION
1)We saw three of the akuma here. Do they appear as young/fresh/inexperienced as the ones with Eiko, or older?
I am looking for contextual cues if these are longstanding entourage members of the greater akuma, or relatively recent recruits like Eiko's squad appear to be?

2)Does Murder is Meat activate for lesser akuma if we choose to have it do so?
  1. Falling roofs are not environmental if someone intentionally makes them fall, if they had given way on their own maybe but not intentionally
  2. All the Akuma seem cut from a similar cut
  3. Molly does not know she never triggered the charm, IC she does not know she has it
 
We are rolling up with about twenty people, including a mortar-team.
And now we hear that Murphy has ensured there's no traffic nearby.

They'd have to be blind and deaf not to notice us.
Or in another dimension/sleeping. You're right that calling it even odds was probably overselling the potential that they haven't noticed us yet though.
We are rolling up with about twenty people, including a mortar-team.
And now we hear that Murphy has ensured there's no traffic nearby.

They'd have to be blind and deaf not to notice us.


Enemy action is not environmental danger.
Saving them from the building after someone sets it on fire would trigger the effect, trying to save them from one of the Akuma throwing a grenade won't.
Yes, but protecting people from the environment is impacted by it.

If we were pulling them out of a burning building and they were chained to the wall or the exit got blocked by rubble we'd probably get the bonus to finding another route.

It seems at least potentially viable that enemy action aimed specifically at keeping them in place could similarly qualify.
 
I give it even odds they've noticed us already, even though they don't appear to have reacted yet.
Doubt it.
Those were Crown visions, and they have nothing to do with distance. I doubt anyone here has the mojo to tell when an Exaltation is looking at them, let alone get any information about distance or imminence.

And frankly, this is a city. Vehicles and their noise moving around in the daytime is par for the course.
Especially since its word of QM that there was some civilian work going on here previously on the surface, which is in part why we brought in the cops.
We are rolling up with about twenty people, including a mortar-team
Mortar or heavy machinegun. Maybe grenade launchers.
I suspect heavy machinegun; high angle fire isnt really of use in an indoor scenario.
 
1)Huh? I think you are mistaken. I have to check the books though.
I mean, even if the falling roofs count as an environmental hazard, how would we protect our peeps from that?
If we were standing right there we could parry it for them, or if we build a temporary shelter above their heads we would get difficulty-reduction, but we won't help them with the Charm by just being in the general area.
 
I mean, even if the falling roofs count as an environmental hazard, how would we protect our peeps from that?
If we were standing right there we could parry it for them, or if we build a temporary shelter above their heads we would get difficulty-reduction, but we won't help them with the Charm by just being in the general area.
It would be along the lines of "stand in this area and not that area" "shield your head" "cover your nose and eyes" etc
Or Exalted magic might just do Exalted magic things, whether its the falling roof dumping most of its debris away from our people to Molly literally punching the air. Blatant probability warping is in the skillset.
 
It would be along the lines of "stand in this area and not that area" "shield your head" "cover your nose and eyes" etc
Or Exalted magic might just do Exalted magic things, whether its the falling roof dumping most of its debris away from our people to Molly literally punching the air. Blatant probability warping is in the skillset.
The Charm very clearly enhances our actions, not those of others.

At best it might make a leadership roll easier, and that in turn gives them a little bonus.

But even that is a stretch.
 
So if we learn any occult secrets does it not count since we just did? Cause if not we can ask a question about one the various individuals here and what their plans are. Cause that almost definitely includes occult secrets. Cause I don't know what powers akuma have but I'm savy enough to at least question if some of the hostages are fake. Like I doubt they are but I mean I've seen it happen before. That or just a question about the area and all the plans made here in the last few days.

Edit; been waiting for about half an hour for my doctor to return lol.
We used the crown on this, if there are fake hostages around they aren't in the places we just looked at.

We can only essence regen with secrets once a scene, so yeah we can't do that for a bit.
 
The Charm very clearly enhances our actions, not those of others.
At best it might make a leadership roll easier, and that in turn gives them a little bonus.
But even that is a stretch.
Charm text:
Wheresoever there is neither hope nor respite, there the Infernal marks herself at home.
System: The Infernal needs never make a Survival roll to remain safe, comfortable, and fed in hostile, barren environments such as deserts, tundra, or areas of urban blight. The difficulty to feed and protect others in such environments is reduced by three (minimum of 3). By spending 1 Essence, she becomes completely immune to environmental damage for the rest of the scene.
I took a look at this area and talked you past the invisible radiation zones.
I pushed you so you were buried in loose rubble instead of solid heavy matter.
I literally kicked the falling roof so it wouldnt impact on you.

These all apply. EDIT As does literal probability warping for a group we are leading.

Anyway, back to doing the math on who to send where.
Fifteen minutes for first draft.
 
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Battlefield: South Works
Surface area: 600 acres of post-industrial wasteland
600 acres = 240 hectares = 2.4 sq km = 0.9375 sq mi = 2,904,000 sq yards

Assuming its a square, each side would measure 1549 metres/1704 yards

Site A: Small building
Deborah + baby
Two enemy bakemono: Unarmed girl + adult man with handgun

Notes:
Room with hostages has exterior wall on one side.
Hostage and girl bakemono are away from exterior wall.

Site B: Large building
2x Whampires + 4x humans + Tuzi
3x guard akuma

Notes:
Whampires nailed to wall by one hand. Exterior wall same wall whampires are nailed to
Open window with water hose in it.
Akuma appear unarmed.
Humans and vampires are conscious. Tuzi in cat form, unconscious.

Site C: Underground cistern
Jade Dog ghouls

Notes: Cistern is 20 feet from the surface; will take us 2x turns/6 seconds to dig with Tool Constructs
Jade Dogs chained to walls, but conscious.
Single conventional entry point through pipe.

Site D: NeverNever
J

Notes:
No visible guards or escorts

Available Forces
3x Infantry squads
1x Heavy weapons squad
1x Valkyrie runecaller
Gard

Molly

Lydia + two combat constructs/drones
Michael
Dresden
Brother Devsimar
Murphy
 
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Working Draft
Simultaneous demo charges to knock out walls at Site A and B
Probably simultaneous with opening a Way outside Site B to send people into the NeverNever to haul J out.

Forces:
Site A: 1x Infantry squad + Lydia for Deborah
Site B: Molly-in-bottle through window to get vampires clear from wall, then demo charge wall
Site D: Dresden + Infantry squad for J


Need to look for some references.
Back in an hour.
 
Site A: 1x Infantry squad + Lydia for Deborah
Site B: Molly-in-bottle through window to get vampires clear from wall, then demo charge wall
Site D: Dresden + Infantry squad for J
Sending Dresden into the nevernever right off the bat seems like a bad idea. He's good, but they didn't need to be subtle guarding that side of this place.

Also might be good to stick one experienced person with each group. Lydia should take Gard or Harry with her instead of going alone with the mooks. Let whoever we didn't send with her go with the third group to site C.
 
We should make sure each group has a solid melee combatant to hopefully stall the Will of Kakuri when it pops up.

Also we should check how difficult it would be for Gard and the Runecaster to disrupt the sunlight wards, even without direct exposure Wan Kuei do not handle daytime well.
 
Sending Dresden into the nevernever right off the bat seems like a bad idea. He's good, but they didn't need to be subtle guarding that side of this place.

Also might be good to stick one experienced person with each group. Lydia should take Gard or Harry with her instead of going alone with the mooks. Let whoever we didn't send with her go with the third group to site C.
My understanding as quoted is that dude is literally out there in the open.
Nothing hiding him, you open a Way you'll see him.
So open Way, keep Way open, send person through to bag and tag.

Heavy weapon squad is set up to cover the open Way and the large building.

I have been vacillating between sending Lydia there or to Deborah. She has two drones, so she can just have them pick him up and run. No reason to hang around. But if she goes to the Deborah scene, she guarantees no casualties there, bakemono or hostages, because wooden drones can just charge down handgun fire.

So Im conflicted.

Molly certainly goes to Site B.
There's a distinct chance that the advent of an angry Infernal with Demonic Primacy of Essence means every akuma has to pass a Wave Soul check for terror.
We should make sure each group has a solid melee combatant to hopefully stall the Will of Kakuri when it pops up.
Also we should check how difficult it would be for Gard and the Runecaster to disrupt the sunlight wards, even without direct exposure Wan Kuei do not handle daytime well.
No point trying.
The only people who have a hope of stalling a combat-spec Minister of Hell in melee are Michael and maybe Gard.
Michael because he's a Sword bearer. Gard because she was a servant of Odin and came prepared.

And in the Dresdenverse, even sunlight-vulnerable vampires can move around in daylight
In WoD, kueijin can spend 1 Yang chi for up to 9 minutes immunity from sunlight.
 
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My understanding as quoted is that dude is literally out there in the open.
Nothing hiding him, you open a Way you'll see him.
So open Way, keep Way open, send person through to bag and tag.

Heavy weapon squad is set up to cover the open Way and the large building.

I have been vacillating between sending Lydia there or to Deborah. She has two drones, so she can just have them pick him up and run. No reason to hang around. But if she goes to the Deborah scene, she guarantees no casualties there, bakemono or hostages, because wooden drones can just charge down handgun fire.

So Im conflicted.

Molly certainly goes to Site B.
There's a distinct chance that the advent of an angry Infernal with Demonic Primacy of Essence means every akuma has to pass a Wave Soul check for terror.

No point trying.
The only people who have a hope of stalling a combat-spec Minister of Hell in melee are Michael and maybe Gard.
Michael because he's a Sword bearer. Gard because she was a servant of Odin and came prepared.

And in the Dresdenverse, even sunlight-vulnerable vampires can move around in daylight
In WoD, kueijin can spend 1 Yang chi for up to 9 minutes immunity from sunlight.
I honestly can't remember how ways are opened in dresden files I know there are several methods to get through a way. But, like is it a two way portal, a slip through crack in reality where you can only be on one side, a pop in your in and out, or even varying depending on who you are? Wouldn't be surprised if your particularly unlucky you just fall into some gaps during Halloween. I know WE and probably future friends have different methods to get in and powers. But, what about in canon? Cause I honestly didn't pay too much attention to the visuals.
 
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Charm text:

I took a look at this area and talked you past the invisible radiation zones.
I pushed you so you were buried in loose rubble instead of solid heavy matter.
I literally kicked the falling roof so it wouldnt impact on you.

These all apply. EDIT As does literal probability warping for a group we are leading.

Anyway, back to doing the math on who to send where.
Fifteen minutes for first draft.
It still takes active action from Molly to have any effect.

If we are there to push someone, sure that works.
But during simultaneous breaches we won't be, pretty much by definition.
And also we would have to spend actions on protecting our vamps, rather than cutting down the Akuma.
 
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