Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

We pretty certainly know that things don't hardcap, but IDK if we actually have enough data about anything else.

Currently, we know about traditional 1-5 range, and that DP used 15 and 30 as big milestones/breakpoints. Traditionally, every +sux is supposed to matter at least somewhat; WF storyteller system doesn't really do number inflation like DnD.

Anyway, refusing the free sux is a pretty bad habit, but the vote seems to be decided at this point.
 
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Note that I said "worst case scenario". We'll be at 6 points at ~ 10 AM, when we move to meet Eiko. If we spend an hour getting there, we'll be at 10 motes. If we have triggered essence renewal with some of the questions (like greater akuma abilities), we'll be at full tank.
That's still a very dangerous worst case. Going in with less than 9 essence means we can't try enhanced social attacks and turn on our fill combat set. It also means we're on a tight schedule for any fighting that does happen before we start dropping in combat power.

In any case other than the increasingly unlikely one that vampires can fuel MiM we end the fight nearly empty. If anything goes awry, like the other Akuma showing up 30 seconds after the fight ends, we'd be in a lot of trouble.
 
That's still a very dangerous worst case. Going in with less than 9 essence means we can't try enhanced social attacks and turn on our fill combat set. It also means we're on a tight schedule for any fighting that does happen before we start dropping in combat power.

In any case other than the increasingly unlikely one that vampires can fuel MiM we end the fight nearly empty. If anything goes awry, like the other Akuma showing up 30 seconds after the fight ends, we'd be in a lot of trouble.
2 motes of essence, while significant, aren't likely to be a deciding factor between "everything is lost" and "we are fully victorious". If nothing else, we can top ourselves off using the Crown. In the presence of a large number of akuma, foci should be plentiful. The value of keeping Dresden's manipulaatios secret and knowing what the rebel(s) is/are planning is worth the small risk.
 
A thing to remember is that we aren't fighting alone. We have a war party consisting of:
Harry Dresden - warden commander of White Council, one of the most powerful mages of his generation in the world, a starborn, whatever that means. If wan kuei don't count as humans ( @DragonParadox do wan kuei have protections under the Laws?), Dresden can unleash a lot of lethal power
Mouse - a temple dog, who most likely has type advantage over them
Lydia - a heir to a god of death, an exalt in her own right, and, again, someone with a type advantage over undead
Brother Devsimar - again, someone with type advantage over them
Michael - a Knight of the Cross on official business of "guiding and protecting his charge". Also has type advantage over unholy demons.
Murphy - ok, as a mortal she might be a liability, but... What are the chances that for this mission Fidelacchius will allow Murphy to wield them?
Possibly Thomas.

So, we have four people with a type advantage over wan kuei, Dresden, and Murphy, possibly Thomas, and ourselves. Assuming we fight the people in the hotel and in the mill separately, that's at most ~2:1 number advantage for wan kuei, and most of our party members are worth a lot more than two wan kuei each in a fight.
 
A thing to remember is that we aren't fighting alone. We have a war party consisting of:
Harry Dresden - warden commander of White Council, one of the most powerful mages of his generation in the world, a starborn, whatever that means. If wan kuei don't count as humans ( @DragonParadox do wan kuei have protections under the Laws?), Dresden can unleash a lot of lethal power
Mouse - a temple dog, who most likely has type advantage over them
Lydia - a heir to a god of death, an exalt in her own right, and, again, someone with a type advantage over undead
Brother Devsimar - again, someone with type advantage over them
Michael - a Knight of the Cross on official business of "guiding and protecting his charge". Also has type advantage over unholy demons.
Murphy - ok, as a mortal she might be a liability, but... What are the chances that for this mission Fidelacchius will allow Murphy to wield them?
Possibly Thomas.

So, we have four people with a type advantage over wan kuei, Dresden, and Murphy, possibly Thomas, and ourselves. Assuming we fight the people in the hotel and in the mill separately, that's at most ~2:1 number advantage for wan kuei, and most of our party members are worth a lot more than two wan kuei each in a fight.

Wan Kuei are not covered under the Laws, if it is not a living human the Laws do not care. Its definition of human is also quite restrictive not even including such beings as Red Court Half-Bloods or White Court vampires . If you are a Hellsworn undead... no just all the no.
 
Molly is likely not included under the laws. Politically anyway. Mechanically Exalted generally count as mortal when it would benefit them and don't when it wouldn't.
 
Well in that case our scene long buffs should still be up.
You get my point though right? If we're out of essence and have gone loud against the Akuma I don't think we'll have hours to recover essence.
2 motes of essence, while significant, aren't likely to be a deciding factor between "everything is lost" and "we are fully victorious". If nothing else, we can top ourselves off using the Crown. In the presence of a large number of akuma, foci should be plentiful. The value of keeping Dresden's manipulaatios secret and knowing what the rebel(s) is/are planning is worth the small risk.
Depends on our pool at the time.In this case it's the difference between being able to make a full press of social/combat buffs and having to choose one, being able to keep going if the fight drags out, and gives us buffer for the boss fight we have after this.

Your plan doesn't strike me as particularly adaptable; things either go as you expect them to or it gets seriously derailed.

A thing to remember is that we aren't fighting alone. We have a war party consisting of:
Harry Dresden - warden commander of White Council, one of the most powerful mages of his generation in the world, a starborn, whatever that means. If wan kuei don't count as humans ( @DragonParadox do wan kuei have protections under the Laws?), Dresden can unleash a lot of lethal power
Mouse - a temple dog, who most likely has type advantage over them
Lydia - a heir to a god of death, an exalt in her own right, and, again, someone with a type advantage over undead
Brother Devsimar - again, someone with type advantage over them
Michael - a Knight of the Cross on official business of "guiding and protecting his charge". Also has type advantage over unholy demons.
Murphy - ok, as a mortal she might be a liability, but... What are the chances that for this mission Fidelacchius will allow Murphy to wield them?
Possibly Thomas.

So, we have four people with a type advantage over wan kuei, Dresden, and Murphy, possibly Thomas, and ourselves. Assuming we fight the people in the hotel and in the mill separately, that's at most ~2:1 number advantage for wan kuei, and most of our party members are worth a lot more than two wan kuei each in a fight.
Type advantage sure, but mortals are still very fragile. They're winning right up until they aren't, and then recovery becomes an issue.

There's also the fact that the win condition here for them is killing us, not defeating the entire party.

If we turn into dead weight things will get nasty.
 
You get my point though right? If we're out of essence and have gone loud against the Akuma I don't think we'll have hours to recover essence.
We will if we quickly get behind a threshold or even just stand in a sunny field. There is a reason that we are doing this during the day. Relative safety is as close as outside.
 
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We will if we quickly get behind a threshold or even just stand in a sunny field. There is a reason that we are doing this during the day. Relative safety is as close as outside.
The thing about type weaknesses is that generally speaking the people exploiting them are significantly less experienced with the details than the people who have to account for them in every encounter.

I doubt that the greater Akuma has anti-holy countermeasures that eliminate the problem, and the sword probably outright ignores anything like that because it's an Angel in cosplay, but the sun is a different matter.

It will be a hindrance for them, but I'd be surprised if it actually flat stopped them.

Turning this around, suppose we were playing greater Akuma quest and had been for awhile. What would we do to make people regret trying something like this?
 
There's also the fact that this is exactly the kind of climactic fight for the arc that we'd pull Shintai out for even if MiM didn't have the chance to recharge it. So we're going to dump a bottle of water on our head and activate Shintai and our two scene-long buffs before going in. I feel like our Shintai is combat-optimized enough to count for a lot, and it's not exactly like we have a lot of weaknesses that are easy to exploit. Like… we count as a CoD for anything that targets those in general and have a limited supply of motes, and a limited amount of times where we can pull out Shintai. That's it, there aren't really any other weaknesses I can think of that can be pulled out in a tactical situation, as opposed to strategic. We aren't weak to fire or sunlight or silver or anything like that the way a lot of supernatural creatures are. Trying just wastes effort on the part of our enemies if they start throwing that stuff at us and hoping it sticks. And we're only going to become tougher to fight every time we spend XP.
 
There's also the fact that the win condition here for them is killing us, not defeating the entire party.
it's not, actually. Capturing our exaltation is their win condition. Simply killing us does not benefit them, at least directly.
Depends on our pool at the time.In this case it's the difference between being able to make a full press of social/combat buffs and having to choose one, being able to keep going if the fight drags out, and gives us buffer for the boss fight we have after this.

Your plan doesn't strike me as particularly adaptable; things either go as you expect them to or it gets seriously derailed.
At 10 motes (which is the worst case of where we'll be starting the negotiations at), we can safely expend 3 motes (empathy and etiquette excellency, Naked Wicked Souls) and 1 WP (All Things Betray). This leaves us at 7 motes and 6 WP. If fight starts, Shintai + Melee Excellency + VLE cost 4 motes. This leaves us with up to three GSNF uses. I consider that more than enough.
 
There's also the fact that the win condition here for them is killing us, not defeating the entire party.
No, because killing us, even if we don't dismantle the trap, would just cause our Exaltation to go for the nearest and most qualified Chosen, and killing us would be considered a personal failure great enough to qualify for Harry, our dad, and Brother Divisimar, who are all "great" enough to qualify for Solaroid Exaltations like ours. And any of those three getting an Infernal Exalt power-up seems like a pretty solid "loss" condition for the akuma, considering their existing skills and what they'd probably use the Exaltation for right after.
 
it's not, actually. Capturing our exaltation is their win condition. Simply killing us does not benefit them, at least directly.
No, because killing us, even if we don't dismantle the trap, would just cause our Exaltation to go for the nearest and most qualified Chosen, and killing us would be considered a personal failure great enough to qualify for Harry, our dad, and Brother Divisimar, who are all "great" enough to qualify for Solaroid Exaltations like ours. And any of those three getting an Infernal Exalt power-up seems like a pretty solid "loss" condition for the akuma, considering their existing skills and what they'd probably use the Exaltation for right after.
They don't really know how the selection works, and in any case "resetting" the power level of the exalt they're hunting is a good second place prize if we successfully nix the ritual and start hunting them.

Killing us makes this at worst a neutral exchange, leaving us alive means leaving an enemy aware of their intent and only growing stronger with time running around.

At 10 motes (which is the worst case of where we'll be starting the negotiations at), we can safely expend 3 motes (empathy and etiquette excellency, Naked Wicked Souls) and 1 WP (All Things Betray). This leaves us at 7 motes and 6 WP. If fight starts, Shintai + Melee Excellency + VLE cost 4 motes. This leaves us with up to three GSNF uses. I consider that more than enough.
Unless they come to us because we don't do well enough on the ritual. We'll have Harry's wards at least, but it's still a consideration.
 
They don't really know how the selection works, and in any case "resetting" the power level of the exalt they're hunting is a good second place prize if we successfully nix the ritual and start hunting them.

Killing us makes this at worst a neutral exchange, leaving us alive means leaving an enemy aware of their intent and only growing stronger with time running around.
Again, note the missions "loyalists" are on:
You ask your second questions: What is the nature of the mission the author's group is on?

To uncover and make use of more powers like your own/To be free of Emma-O through the auspices of your power
It's "To uncover and make use of more powers like your own". Killing us without capturing our exaltation doesn't help them. Which, now that I think of it, makes me believe that lady Eiko, and, quite likely, everyone involved save Greater Akuma Will of Kakuri, are rebels. Because antagonizing us and trying to capture our exaltation helps the "To be free of Emma-O through the auspices of your power ", but not discovering more exaltations. But that's a digression. The point was that "neutralizing us as a potential threat" is not part of their mission at all.
Unless they come to us because we don't do well enough on the ritual. We'll have Harry's wards at least, but it's still a consideration.
That's a different scenario. In this scenario, where akuma attack Dresden's place before we leave, my plan is either 1 mote and 1 WP lower than Uju's, or 1 mote better than Uju's, actually, if "how to hide leyline manipulation" is a secret worth essence renewal, but "flaws in Dresden's ritual" and "flaws in akuma ritual" secrets aren't. Adding to that, my vote is specifically aimed at preventing this outcome, by adding "how to conceal manipulating the leylines" question. The second additional question "what is the rebels' plan" comes after we do the alchemy, and by that time Dresden should have finished already, and we are either being interrupted, or everything went ok.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Mar 10, 2023 at 3:20 AM, finished with 148 posts and 13 votes.

  • [x] Plan working through dawn
    -[X] His apartment using Little Chicago (Safer, but guarantees giving away his identity if caught)
    -[X] Ask questions to improve the ritual before Harry starts
    --[X] Use the Crown on Little Chicago, asking for ways to hide the manipulation of the leylines.
    --[X] Have Harry write down the ritual he's planning to do. Use the Crown to ask what flaws are present in the ritual. Communicate them to Harry and, if possible, help him to correct them (use Occult Excellency if appropriate).
    --[X] Use the image of Ping Tom Boathouse to ask the question "what are the flaws of the ritual meant to be invoked in this location today?"
    -[X]Craft potions, using Dresden's laboratory, if it doesn't disturb Dresden's own preparations
    --[X] 3x Healing Potions, 3 potions
    --[X] Alchemical Aerosol Mist, to combine with Holy Water, as many as we can
    --[X] Use Occult Excellency and, if needed, active form of Tool Transcending Constructs
    --[X] Use Boiling Sea Mastery and Cracked Cell Circumvention (ask Brother Devsimar or Mouse to stop if you try to leave before finishing the potions)
    -[X] After finishing potion crafting, ask questions about the opposing faction using the video recordings of 12 wan kuei we have
    --[X] "what are the abilities of the Kakuri's Will on Earth"
    --[X] "Who among the forces of Kakuri sent on this mission is planning to use your power to free themselves of Emma-O?" If the question reveals that at least one of the traitors was caught on camera, use their recordings for the next questions
    --[X] "How are the ones trying to escape Emma-O's grasp through this mission plan to accomplish this?"
    --[X] "Why does the person in this image look sick?" (to be used on a wan kuei who looks particularly unwell)
    -[X]Ask MIchael to:
    --[X] Get holy water and holy oils from St Mary's and Murphy-size chainmail from home
    --[X] Ask Charity to call Molly's school to excuse her absence
    -[X] Provide your allies with images of kakuri's servants. Use images from the recordings obtained by cyberdevils where you can, and passive form of TTC to draw images where you can't.
    -[X] Spend as much time as possible dispersed in bleach
    -[X]STUNT: You walk up the stairs from Dresden's lab, hair still dripping oil on the floor. At the top of the stairs Mouse inspects the potions in your hands before moving out of your way to reveal the occupants of the room. Your father is helping lieutenant Murphy adjust to wearing a chainmail. Brother Devsimar is meditating quietly, Lydia napping on the sofa, Mister on her lap, and Harry and - you raise an eyebrow - Thomas are conversing in low tones. "Done?" "Yup. Hey Thomas." As Lydia begins to stir, you grab a Whopper off the table and bite into it, scratching Mouse behind the ear.
    [X] His apartment using Little Chicago (Safer, but guarantees giving away his identity if caught)
    [X]Plan Alchemical Solutions
    -[X] His apartment using Little Chicago (Safer, but guarantees giving away his identity if caught)
    -[X]<Molly>Tool Constructs to draw images of Eiko, the 17 kueijin and their minions for allies to recognize
    -[X]Crown Questions: 4m Essence
    --[X]Ping Tom Boathouse: What are the flaws of the ritual meant to be invoked in this place today?. Tell Harry
    --[X]Video recording Kuejin 1: Who among the war party this kuejin belongs to has hopes/intentions to escape/betray Emma-O ?
    --[X]Video recording Kuejin 2: What are the known abilities of Kakuri's Will on Earth?
    --[X]Video recording sick-looking Kuejin 3: Why does he and others like him look ill?
    -[X]<Michael>Holy water and holy oils from St Mary's and Murphy-size chainmail from home
    -[X]<Michael>Ask Charity to call Molly's school to excuse her absence
    -[X]<Molly>Alchemy + Occult Excellency + Tool Constructs: 3x Healing Potions: -1WP, -2m Essence
    -[X]<Molly> RVD for Essence regen
    -[X]STUNT: You walk up the stairs from Dresden's lab to find your father and Murphy gone. Brother Devsimar is meditating quietly, Lydia napping on the sofa, Mister on her lap, and Harry and - you raise an eyebrow - Thomas are conversing in low tones. "Done?" "Yup. Three done. Hey Thomas." As Lydia begins to stir, you grab a Whopper off the table and bite into it, scratching Mouse behind the ear. "I'd like to see the body at the morgue, but we wait for Dad and Detective Murphy."
 
It's "To uncover and make use of more powers like your own". Killing us without capturing our exaltation doesn't help them. Which, now that I think of it, makes me believe that lady Eiko, and, quite likely, everyone involved save Greater Akuma Will of Kakuri, are rebels. Because antagonizing us and trying to capture our exaltation helps the "To be free of Emma-O through the auspices of your power ", but not discovering more exaltations. But that's a digression. The point was that "neutralizing us as a potential threat" is not part of their mission at all.
They work towards the same ends; picking up the exaltation from a new guy is easier than from a more firmly rooted and hostile one.

I doubt they're going to stay static in the face of changing circumstances.
 
Arc 6 Post 18: The Knot and the Dagger Black
The Knot and the Dagger Black

3nd of October 2006 A.D.

Harry's apartment does not look spacious on the best of days, but between your dad in full armor, Brother Divsimar having a chat with Mouse through the auspices of Burny and Detective Murphy making tea for a lack of anything else to do with her hands it makes you hands itch to open a window. At least the detective does not look like she is too familiar with Harry's cupboard, a little voice at the back of your mind notes. When you ask her for a cup of water and promptly dump it on your head, very glad for the armor under your t-shirt all you can do is shrug. "My magic's weird."

"And the rest of it isn't?" she scoffs.

Instead of answering glibly you consider the words. "Only because magical beings decided to stop explaining themselves. If you want the twenty minute flux capacitor talk when this is over I'll be happy to give it."

One would have to be blind to miss the slightly arched eyebrow in the direction of the resident wizard as if to say: 'See, she's willing to explain.'
Rather than linger on the byplay you quickly turn back to Clippy's screen, bright with the image of Ping Tom Boathouse she had downloaded days ago off the park's own site.

"One hopes this will end more harmoniously than the last public site we have sought information on," Usum says, bringing to mind images of the carnage at the museum.

Maybe Harry's love life isn't the worst thing to be thinking about after all.

Mentally waving off the demon's instant apology you ask your question: "What are the flaws of the ritual meant to be invoked in this location today?"

The Old shall what is Young wither
Beacon of flame into a dark well forged
Darkness upon the light now gorged
Shadows far off come hither

It is the poetry silent rot, the song of bleached bones lying in still waters, Ying without Yang and death without rebirth and yet there is a dissonance to it. The twisting pulls on the rivers, it draws on the steel impaling the concrete of the city, upon the silent glass faces. but it never reaches further into lake Michigan that the focus point at the South Works. There is something in the lake the akuma fears, the insight comes unbidden and from that ragged edge its work can be unraveled.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 7/12

Harry does not seem entirely surprised at the news, questioning you further on what you had seen and what it might mean. Even though the magic he had been thought had four elements not two aspects he quickly translates your vision into something he can work with, leading the way into the basement.

Alchemical braziers are lit and glass it set to flame. Iron shavings for blood, licorice root tea for breath.... Somewhere behind you the soft sound of Harry's chanting stops as his magic prods at the knot of power that is his model of the city gently ever so gently. Faced with the vast power that flows through the dragon-lines he is more like a snake-charmer wrangling his charges than the blunt expression of evokation one more often sees from him.

"There," he says at last as the candles he had set around Little Chicago all go out at once, grim satisfaction in his voice. "The vampire's going to pull the tap expecting water to come out and but it'll get fire."

"Yang instead of Ying?" you ask, a-probably-not-very-nice smile curling at the corner of your mouth.

"Yep, it won't even take a spell to switch it over, like a rubber band snapping back."

"Emergency Priority Call!" Clippy's sudden proclamation drains the good cheer right out of you.

"Boss, Boss they got Adam, Billy... Andrea as well probab'ly, they were still fighting when I ran but the bastards were too tough, had swords, armor and shit," A half familiar voice, ragged with exhaustion comes over speakers. Jack, the vampire who was afraid of shapeshifters, you recognize him after a moment.

"They who's 'they'?" Even as you ask the question you know in your heart what had happened. The servants of Kakuri had come in force to the Last Station.

Jack has none of the answers you desperately need. He and the other vampires had responded to a shout from Adam who spotted a trio of intruders in one of the feeding tunnels. They had fought, but with only their fists against enemies armed with 'fucking samurai swords' and armored for war able to match the strength and ferocity of their hunger they had no chance at least according to Jack who had run as soon as Billy had gone down, using his hard-earned knowledge of the tunnels to stay ahead of his pursuers until he felt safe enough to use his phone.

"Which way did they come from?" you ask urgently.

"Reckon they came from the Barrels, you know under the old steelworks. There's been rumors something nasty moved in...."

Fear, guilt, rage mingle together in your mind until you cannot tell where one ends and the other begins. You should have realized, you should have put two and two together. No, you slam down on the thought. Recrimination will help at nothing.

"Clippy send a message to everyone else's phones, find out who is still al..." You cannot being yourself to force the word out. "Where they are."

Perhaps it is just your imagination, but Clippy's voice does not sound as mechanically precise as usual: "The Ghoul Adam is dead, the Greater Akuma has taken ill to his ambush being ruined and one of the 'rats' escaping his trap. Porter has been driven into the stone but not slain and no one knows where the cat spirit is. The rest are being herded towards the Barrels likely as hostages. Eight of the Lesser Demon People are in evidence, but not the Lady Eiko."

"What can you tell me about the leader?" Even as you ask the question you are already rushing out of the basement, potion forgotten. No time for brewing now. "What powers did he use."

"He has the seeming of a corpse, one who has drunk too deeply of Yin to show his face before mortalkind. He used unnatural swiftness and the guise of the demon, by will alone warding Porter from approaching until the others were subdued."

What do you do?

[] Head right to the steel mill, maybe you can beat them there

[] Lady Eiko was not with the 'Will of Kakuri', she has to be the traitor... she has so. Make what promises you must to get her to betray her Lord

[] Write in


OOC: So you know that streetwise Molly, and only Molly, made which she failed, that was to figure out the Barrels were right under South Works. No one else had heard the news of something nasty moving in nor did they have a rough map of undertown in their head. Also some of those rolls you did not make were perception rolls against some very skilled stealth is all I will say
 
Rolls
Reading the ritual for weaknesses
Adam to spot the danger vs Elite Mook Stealth
*Adam gets torn apart by a trio of akuma with Black Wind*
Help? -> Your vampires show up
*brief fight scene with way too many rolls and one embarrassing mishap that had me restart it*
Jack the Skavis Vampire runs for his life (he has a merit that makes his very hard to catch in those tunnels)
Akuma to chase him down? Nope
Harry to mess with the ritual
Not contested because as it turns out the Greater Akuma was busy raiding the Last Station

It is now 5:00 AM
 
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