@uju32 I don't know why you keep dragging WOD into this to judge power levels. This is a DF crossover not WOD. Yes PD is drawing on many WOD inspiration when stating out DF characters, but it just that stating out characters. It's seems silly to say the mages of WOD are god kings by the rules therefore the mages of DF must be as well.
ExWoD = Exalted vs World of Darkness.
Its literally a third of the crossover in play here. The Thousand Hells and the Yomi Kings are literally named characters and locations from WoD. The Jade Court are apparently the Wan Kuei from Kindred of the East.
I would not be surprised if the Fallen are supposed to be Earthbound.
But that remains to be seen. I dont really know very much about Demon the Fallen right now.
Or since Incarna are a big deal in WOD and Mab maps onto being a Incarna fairly well so therefore everything Incarna can do Mab must be able to do even if it's never shown in DF.
Mab doesnt map onto being an Incarna,
the QM called Mab an Incarna.
Check for yourself. Arc 2 post 58.
And that is how you can now add quizzically exasperated to the list of expressions you had seen on Queen Mab's face.
"As the wizard has pointed out that this is not the best place to have a conversation in, can I count upon you to call upon me so that you may listen to my proposal soon?"
What do you reply?
[] Yes, you will call on Mab and listen to what she has to say
[] No, let her make her pitch here, she is as dangerous in this arena as that submarine had been in battle, might as well force her to fire her salvo when you have allies to hand
[] Write in
OOC: Well you just survived an incarna level being taking you on in social combat, not bad for a E2 Exalt, not bad at all
You ask why I refer to WoD?
The Dresdenverse appears to be primarily modelled on WoD so far.
If we go by the elder Skavis (a user of strong sensory enchantments), Katrina Holt (a seer), and other beings with supernatural senses, definitely not.
Leinth Skavis was inside Sarah Greene's threshold. If he hadnt gotten permission going in, he wasnt going to be performing at full power. It was like when Dresden entered Anna Ash's threshold without permission in White Night, and his senses were so depowered ne didnt realize Elaine was there under a veil despite being less than six feet from her.
Our first encounter with Katrina was inside the confines of Mathew's wards, which were apparently designed to shield him from the Summer Court. Who he'd pissed off somehow. Its plausible she has trouble seeing through it, especially since she had come there to blackmail Mathews.
Counterpoint:
Lily. Brother Divsimar. Gard. The malks in Undertown.
All of whom pegged Molly instantly.
I wasn't suggesting shooting it with a rifle (and if I did, I would suggest making a combat pulsed laser for a light speed weapon). I was suggesting the following:
1) Find where it lives / visits often enough
2) Find a good vintage point several kilometers away in the city (up in the sky also works)
3) Apply All things Betray and make use of pre-made professional grade optics to observe it from several kilometers away
4) Use Sinner Boiling Stare as a long range attack. It's line of sight, with no distance limitation. As long as we get two or three turns before it hides (and if we apply Seeing is Blindness on the first attack, that is probably reasonable), I think that would be a good enough alpha strike.
If we hide in the sky (just below cloud cover probably), we could probably drop down fast enough (gravity + flight with extra breaking near the surface) to enter combat soon enough to matter. Spend the turn descending to activate Shintai. In order not to suffer falling damage, we could use RVD.
1)Much harder to explain a laser.
Railguns are unregulated and the province of high school science experiments, thus legal.
Just make it look appropriately chuuni.
2)Its home is in its home range in the US Southwest a thousand miles away. There's no expectation it is lodging anywhere when its away from its home territory. Fucker might be sleeping in random locations, from human homes to the bottom of the Great Lakes or on the other side of the Gauntlet. We dont know enough about their habits to say.
And without BMI to hide our magic signature or something similar?
We're not sneaking up on a naagloshii.
Dragonblooded are not Celestials.
As far as I know they didn't reach Elder Essence very often even in Creation, and if so only 6 or 7, not the world-changing heights of power a Celestial Exalted could reach.
It makes sense that they couldn't reach above that in the diminished world, and even if one or two did over the millenia, it would have resulted in a stronger Dragonblood, that could do some more cool stuff and live a few centuries longer, not a paradigmen-change in the WoD that should have changed its history.
I'd say as long as Drakul keeps his head down and isn't activly trying to destroy the world there is no reason for the White God to go all out in stopping him. I mean, he barely appears in Dresden Files, but as far as I can tell he is just a very powerful being doing its own thing and not really messing with people that don't interfere with that.
Weaker actors with big ambitions are a much greater threat to the world than an old monster chilling out.
Same reason Nicodemus is much worse than say Ferrovax. Sure, Ferro is much more powerful and could possibly be a greater threat to all existance if he wanted to, but for now he's just an old monster doing his thing, while Nick is regularly threatening mankind.
Single Celestials are not the Exalted Host, wnicn was all seven hundredish Celestials plus a million plus DBs plus tens of millions of Dragon Kings and Mountain Folk and gods and mortals.Celestials are capable of heights Terrestrials cant reach, but by ExWoD there had been several hundred DBs running around for millenia. Quantity has a quality et cetera.
If you're claiming that he was an Abyssal, then he wouldnt be keeping his head down. Exaltations do not select for shrinking violets.
Its unlikely there's been a Solaroid running around for at least six hundred years and not really doing anything, and the setting remains unchanged. Molly's barely been about for three months and she's already making waves.
Drakul had Kinkaid as his personal hitman and troubleshooter for longer than Ebenezar was alive. He showed up in the middle of the attack by Ethniu to attempt to raise an army in Chicago and did murder a bunch of Wardens to raise them as Blampires. He has never been keeping his head down. He's just been offscreen, because he's based in Europe, not North America.
The Black Court explicitly grew itself in power so much over the last millenium that while it was the White Court that put together the scheme that destroyed them as a supernatural power, everyone else apparently connived at their downfall once the book was out. That does not speak to a faction of discreet, conservative players.
I am starting to feel that we are undergoing uncontrollable number inflation. None of these numbers feel right.
Elder Fortitude is supposed to be all about special elder powers, for example. Not just +1 soak every level.
Part of it is because we are trying to model capabilities using Vampire powers, so as to minimize people having to seek multiple references. Because vamps are the most common antagonists in the series, just not the only ones.
I mean, its worth recalling that book 2 saw the Loup Garou, which....well.
If not for its mindlessness, it was every bit as much a physical threat as the naagloshii. Especially since, when the moon was up, it just wouldnt die without ancestral silver.
The naagloshii just happens to
also be a wizard shapeshifter that is intelligent and not bound to moon phases.
Heorot saw the grendelkin, which took Gard in combat and Dresden in magic. The short story Last Call saw a Greek demigoddess. The comic Welcome to the Jungle saw a Hecatean Hag attempt to pull a rite of ascension. Ghoul Goblin saw a Naga and a Qarin. Blood Rites featured Chinese shen. And the Ix in Changes was a Mayan demon-thing.
There's a lot of magic shit around.
If that was true this would make the entire concept of stealth worthless to us, do you see the problem there?
We can sneak on people and removing this from our kit just because of a description is silly.
No, I dont see the problem.
It means its something we need to address if we want to be sneaky vs supernaturals, just like everyone else has to. The charms and abilities are there, we have to invest in them.
When the Archive first showed up in the series, she was picked up by Dresden's wards a block away, demonstrating that stealth for her was difficult among supernaturals, and required effort.
Effort she invested in, as we see in Small Favor.
The naagloshii cant or wont, so whenever it shows up anyone with magic senses can feel it coming.
They just have trouble determining its exact location moment to moment because Veil.
So far we've been dealing with mostly street level characters and mooks; a lot of the heavier hitters we've run into have been in environmental conditions or personal flaws that essentially messed with their magic ears and eyes.
Most with Power or senses in a clear arena has twigged when we've entered the scene.
Even informally trained Sorcerer Path sensitives like Paula Moskowitz perceived us so strongly that we had to roll 10 successes+ to get her not to run screaming out of the restaurant in broad daylight, and under the rules of this setting, 5 successes on a roll qualifies as Legendary levels of success.
Citation on Abyssals being infertile? I pretty distinctly remember that creating life (via offspring) was explicitly one of the ways to gain resonance, which doesn't make sense if they can't do it anyway.
*checks*
No you're right. I was conflating the Abyssals from Ex2 and the EXvWoD ones.
