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Thank you! I'll keep poking around for it, but I knew it was a long shot.
Time to read about the Incarna of the sky, and see what he's like. :)
 
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Szoreny (EarthScorpion Charmset)

“After all, what is more enviable than happiness? And if I can cure myself of envy I can acquire happiness and become enviable. The man who has double my salary is doubtless tortured by the thought that someone else in turn has twice as much as he has, and so it goes on. If you desire glory, you ...
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The last update was 2022-01-06 and it now has INVIDIOUS FOREST SHINTAI.
 
No, that's Earthscorpion's Szoreny. The one Keris keeps using.
It's great, and I prefer its version of Perfect Mirror over Reminiscent Oasis' version (which I did manage to find), but I've seen it. I haven't seen RO's full Szoreny charmset, and I'm curious. Especially since ES gave Szoreny a social Shintai (Shintai means god-body; they aren't just packets of changes. Look at Adorjan), and no tree-body. I really want a Szoreny mirror-world or world tree or vast forest Shintai, and RO is a proven, competent charm designer. So hearing RO made a full Szoreny charmset, and seeing examples of Excellency and charms but not being able to find it…
Well. I can feel the heartsap in my veins!
 
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I have a Szoreny charm set that I found years ago and saved as a txt file. Sadly, since it was freely available at the time and I wasn't planning on using it for anything, I did not add the source, so I can't say if this is Reminiscent Oasis'. Though I think I remember seeing that name and there probably aren't too many Szoreny charm sets in existence. (I know it wasn't very nice to the author to not record their name, so I'd like to apologize for that.)

Edit: Nevermind, it was Kyeudo's charm set, and it's still available so this link is unnecessary.
 
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That charmset is from Kyeudo.

[Exalted] Szoreny, the Silver Forest

The following is a Charm set for one of Exalted's canon Yozis, namely Szoreny, the Silver Forest. Let me know what you think. Szoreny Originally unassociated with the Reclamation, the time has come now that Szoreny, the Silver Forest, has chosen to teach his Charms to the Green Sun Princes...
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quasit17 said:
That charmset is from Kyeudo.

[Exalted] Szoreny, the Silver Forest

The following is a Charm set for one of Exalted's canon Yozis, namely Szoreny, the Silver Forest. Let me know what you think. Szoreny Originally unassociated with the Reclamation, the time has come now that Szoreny, the Silver Forest, has chosen to teach his Charms to the Green Sun Princes...
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Well then, good to know, I'll put in the attribution.
 
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Hello, my fellows.

I've been poking around, and I found out that Reminiscent Oasis wrote up an Incarna called 'Nox,' as well as a Splat balanced for 2e. I've called upon my Efficient Secretary (Google), and failed to find anything but threads praising this creation, and mentioning that our dear desert respite is too burned out to convert them to 2.5, or 3e. I am saddened, but fine with this - but I wish to peruse this thing, made long ago and only revealed to me by chance, though my Lore rating has failed me. Would anyone care to cast the Shadows of the Ancient Past back for me, and let me peer through time to a day when I wish I had already known of Creation and its wonders?

(I would also like to know if he ever completed his Szoreny charm set - he apparently had over 60 charms, but no Shintai. I love ES and Revlid, but RO wrote Mardukth, so I'm curious to compare and contrast.)
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After searching myself I found this thread by Reminiscent Oasis with some scraps of the charmset. Wasn't able to find anything here on SV or through my own google Arts.
 
Same, but it sadly lacks the full thing. I was hoping someone had a link to the google doc - I've never found a link to the Mardukth charmset, only been sent straight there by Google. I hoped that it was merely hidden, and yet...


Edit: I did manage to find this - List of Infernal Charms - Exalted Wiki

The charms themselves are all dead, sadly - the web archive just saved the whole page, and none of the little ones (although thankfully, all of Ninjasenseigaming is up there).
But it has the names, and some of them (like Xanichi) still live on in onyx path and giant in the playground form.

[Repost] XANICHI The Eternal Maze - Onyx Path Forums
TheHoverpope/ZurathaCharms - Exalted - Unofficial Wiki (An infernal charmset actually placed on the old wiki. Shame it's small. Hemura is also there, but only in a tiny excellency and a bunch of charm names)
Achsam and Cyprian should be in the giant megacompilation, although I've yet to be able to Search automatically for that particular needle, so it has eluded me.
I've never found Ikanii.

I'm very curious about the old WW version of Szoreny, although it seems to cap out at an UBW replica.
If anyone has a full list of General Yozi charms, please let me know. I've become fascinated by the sheer size of the user category - how many excellencies do they need? Why? What do they do?

Additional edit: This seems to have an Achsam charm - but it lists Spirit of the Living World as a prereq. I am confused.
 
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*Looks at the link.*

Oh-gods-not-this-again.
*Internal Screaming*

Ok, I have this link. (Thank you for sharing it anyways. I've been desperately curious about what's on there.) I've even gotten help recently understanding how it works - that it's compressed Rar files, and so on. (I am not tech savvy - not really, past Word/Pages and other commonplace stuff. I barely passed my photoshop assignments in graphics design in college. Photoshop!)

I, unfortunately, have been swimming in a shallow Mac pool my whole life. A fellow SV user has given me a lovely comprehensive summary of how this stuff works, but my computer is quite old and often shuts down - and I don't have the money to buy a new one. I've also consistently failed to get bootcamp to ruin Microsoft systems.
I'll try and get Unarchiver to work, but I'm going to be very slow about it, do to needing to make sure my computer doesn't shut down. (I have a good backup system, but until I have enough Money for another one, I'm going to be rabidly paranoid about doing anything out of the norm with it - I need it for my job, unfortunately.

So this is where I drop out of this bit of the conversation, sadly. Still, page 275-87. Thank you. I'm bookmarking that - and hopefully it'll last until I can download it, just in case the user hosting it pulls a WW, or gets hit by a DDOS like the wayback machine (which is finally back up) and loses something.
 
Okay, that just makes me feel bad for you. Here's a PDF with only the Ikanii pages.

Remarkable, really, how much creativity there was for Yozis in 2e. I think it's a bit like the current enthusiasm for Exigents; it was always possible to make your own Exalts, but now that there's a bit of narrative and mechanical scaffolding it's a lot more appealing. People really like frameworks to work in, and categories to fill out. That's dried up now, of course, where the Yozis are involved. The whole "enemies of the gods" thing saw to that.

I'm pretty sure similar frameworks could invigorate interest in writing up elementals, or raksha, or other neglected types of being. Might take a crack at that some day. Or not.
 
It's in my Dropbox on my phone! :):D:grin:
Oh, I've heard people mention this guy! Dead lights… "
Spells that facilitate tactical retreat, use trickery to avoid conflict, create con-
fusion or invoke non-direct applications of force are easily empowered by the enlight-
enment of That Which Reaps The Lost Time. Examples include Flight of Separa-
tion,Unconquerable Self, Malediction of the Distorted Compass, The Battles End,
Enemy of Nature, Mirage of Protective Shelter and Winds of Confusion. Such spells
have their cost reduced by 10m,1wp to a minimum of 5m, 1wp. The Sorcerous En-
lightenment of That Which Reaps The Lost Time cannot cast spells that have overt
obvious effects that cannot be hidden by poor visibility. This explicitly applies to any
spell that creates illumination as either a primary or secondary effect."

This is the Batman Yozi!

Ahahahahahaha!
Well, Batman with a hint of IT.

Thank you so much for this!
 
Sanctaphrax said:
Remarkable, really, how much creativity there was for Yozis in 2e. I think it's a bit like the current enthusiasm for Exigents; it was always possible to make your own Exalts, but now that there's a bit of narrative and mechanical scaffolding it's a lot more appealing. People really like frameworks to work in, and categories to fill out.
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The main thing the Exigent framework does is absolve you of the need to try and meet the perceived criteria of a full exalt type, I remember some discussion of this early into Ex3's development and observations on how some custom Exalt concepts the developers had noticed in the past were serviceable core ideas that had gotten thematically muddied by a need to give them castes or a signature magic material and that chasing this legitimacy was backfiring. One of the examples given was the volcano exigent and how they're not really enriched by splitting them into different parts of a volcano and figuring out how the personality and skillset of a Magma Chamber Caste differs from the Main Vent Caste.

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That's dried up now, of course, where the Yozis are involved. The whole "enemies of the gods" thing saw to that.
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I think the release schedule is more to blame there (not that the previous developers don't have some culpability for it). If anything, what we know of the previous developers plans for the Yozis seemed really excessive.
 
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Was there much revealed about their plans? All I can really remember is that they were being intentionally being put a little more in the background, but it's been a while.
 
I also would like to hear about those plans.

Anyway, I'm not saying you're wrong about those specific points. But I don't think there's any getting around the importance of categories. Nobody cares one bit about the enemies of the gods. But the Yozis were immensely popular and interesting. People love making demons; not so much elementals and behemoths. Exigent types abound; faerie types don't. Artifacts with Evocation trees are all over the fandom; Artifacts that are similarly complex in uncategorized ways aren't and never will be. And so on.

Back in 2e I used to wish people would give more attention to behemoths, to fallen races, to all the corners of the setting that don't have names. But I've come to realize that I was wishing for the unreasonable. People are always gonna stick to the places where they have some structure to work with. Throwing your work into an empty void is not satisfying.
 
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Was there much revealed about their plans? All I can really remember is that they were being intentionally being put a little more in the background, but it's been a while.
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Three of the new Exalt types were supposed to have been created by the Yozis.
Sacheverell is was basically defined by inaction (as well as people being afraid of his awakening) so having a hand in the Getimian Exalted is basically the most he's ever done. Isidoros and Oramus were supposed to get Exalts that were the original versions of what became Dreamsouled and Umbral Exalted. The Revellers (Isidoros' chosen) were supposed to be behind what was going on in Dajaz and I'm unclear what the Nightmares of Oramus were supposed to be up to besides wrestling with their inner monsters. Apparently there was a fourth that got redacted really early on.

There's questions about when all these new Exalt types were going to start having diminishing returns but yeah, this isn't the behaviour of people who were trying to take the Yozis away.
 
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Three of the new Exalt types were supposed to have been created by the Yozis.
Sacheverell is was basically defined by inaction (as well as people being afraid of his awakening) so having a hand in the Getimian Exalted is basically the most he's ever done. Isidoros and Oramus were supposed to get Exalts that were the original versions of what became Dreamsouled and Umbral Exalted. The Revellers (Isidoros' chosen) were supposed to be behind what was going on in Dajaz and I'm unclear what the Nightmares of Oramus were supposed to be up to besides wrestling with their inner monsters. Apparently there was a fourth that got redacted really early on.

There's questions about when all these new Exalt types were going to start having diminishing returns but yeah, this isn't the behaviour of people who were trying to take the Yozis away.
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The bit about the Getimians isn't right. Holden's original lore for Getimians was that they were recovered/found from the "Bleed," a non-space where destinies excised or unchosen by the loom ended up, with the idea being that Rakan Thulio was weaponizing the discarded dross of destiny in his war against Heaven. Sacheverell (and Oramus's) connection to them is their current lore, at least as of Exalted: Essence.

You are correct about the Revelers and Nightmares. It might be worth noting that creating/empowering those was supposed to have destroyed Isidoros and Oramus; they would have turned themselves into those exaltations as a method to escape Malfeas. Definitely still excessive, like you said, but if that latter fact makes them more or less prominent in the setting seems almost a philosophical question.

(At any rate, even from the start they were meant to be an optional inclusion, iirc.)
 
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The bit about the Getimians isn't correct. Holden's original lore for Getimians was that they were recovered/found from the "Bleed," a non-space where destinies excised or unchosen by the loom ended up, with the idea being that Rakan Thulio was weaponizing the discarded dross of destiny in his war against heaven. Sacheverell (and Oramus's) connection to them is their current lore, at least as of Exalted: Essence.
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Morke mentioned the Getimians being made by one of the Yozis in an IRC conversation back in like 2014. For context, he was also actively annoyed that people were saying that Rakan Thulio had created his own Exalts citing it as the fanbase playing a game of telephone with itself, making up facts about Thulio and then getting angry that he was a Mary Sue. I casually asked where they actually came from and that was the answer I got.

Maybe that was the intended origin of the Bleed? Maybe he and Holden had totally different ideas?
 
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he was also actively annoyed that people were saying that Rakan Thulio had created his own Exalts citing it as the fanbase playing a game of telephone with itself
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????

The impression I've been getting is that the Getimians happened independently of Rakan Thulio and he recruited them to take advantage of the situation as part of his war on heaven. I was less clear about where exactly they came from (beyond 'discarded destinies') but I assumed they were a side-effect of the Loom picking and choosing destinies. Something Thulio has only been able to take advantage of in the last 200 years or so (or however long the Getimians have been around? I might be misremembering, it's either Gets or Liminals that first showed up in the last few centuries)
 
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Morke mentioned the Getimians being made by one of the Yozis in an IRC conversation back in like 2014. For context, he was also actively annoyed that people were saying that Rakan Thulio had created his own Exalts citing it as the fanbase playing a game of telephone with itself, making up facts about Thulio and then getting angry that he was a Mary Sue. I casually asked where they actually came from and that was the answer I got.

Maybe that was the intended origin of the Bleed? Maybe he and Holden had totally different ideas?
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Huh! I'm fairly confident I recall hearing Holden say something to the effect of being disappointed that the Ex:Ess manuscript connected Getimians to the Yozis. If that wasn't a change of opinion from 2014, then I have to presume that the former devs did actually have different ideas for the splat.
 
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Manic Dogma said:
That's pretty much the idea, yeah. It informs a really strong built in character arc about struggling with a part of yourself that's very pronounced, but also not necessarily constructive, be that in the scale of those feelings or the nature. The big example I like to use for them is the relationship between Guts and the Black Beast, in berserk. There it's less literal than it is for Umbrals, but the element of a destructive urge nipping at the back of your mind the more you indulge it is really clear.


This is the thing I like yeah, Umbrals do have a clear aesthetic but how your character engages with that aesthetic is entirely up to you as long as they engage with the psychological arc. Dreadful, shadow-draped swordswoman? Brilliant. Nightmarish bramble-like tangle of shadowy swords? Aces. Night-weaving sorceror unleashing your manifest Id from beyond the torchlight? Let's fucking go. All supported with a built in internal struggle with your character's metaphorical demons, and it's a really strong core conflict to build characters around.
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Something that stands out to me on their power set too is that while its' shadowmancy, you can do a lot of psychic-coded things with them too, including the bits on emotion and metnal things you note. It's just got a clear shadow thing going onversus the usual telltale shimmer effects in sci-fi.
 
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Huh! I'm fairly confident I recall hearing Holden say something to the effect of being disappointed that the Ex:Ess manuscript connected Getimians to the Yozis. If that wasn't a change of opinion from 2014, then I have to presume that the former devs had different ideas for the splat.
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Things could have changed quite a bit. Though in general, who were their patrons and what hteyw ere to an extent seems to have changed quite a bit to my understanding. Them even having Castes at all and being more than just a pretty barebones Essence- and NPC-focused Charmset was apparently something Vance and Minton wanted to do.q
 
If the Bleed was supposed to be some naturally occurring hole in space/reality then Rakan Thulio did effectively create the Getimian Exalted because it wasn't Exalt or even person shaped before he got there.

To clarify, I'm not trying to reconcile what the previous developers said at different points in time. I just find this pretty funny.
 
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