This makes me wonder what the Lunar equivalent to that would be like.
The moon...
I have a question for everyone regarding everyone Zoom-Murderhobos, the Scourges!

Would Adorjan's Wind-Borne Stride work when you are peddling a boat?

If I were a GM, I would allow it, because when you think about it, a boat merely a flotation device, and the peddles are like stilts. So really, mechanically, when you are peddling a boat, you have equipped some stilt-fins are your hands, and you are using the boat as a flotation device. Logically, since Wind-Borne Stride applies, so does Gravity-Rebuking Grace.


If you are not convinced, then here is my final argument:

I have to say, it would seem
You can row gently down a stream
And maybe later
Up a Skyscraper
Truly, life is but a Dream
I'd also say yes, but they'd have to stunt it at least to a two dot level.
 
Wait i'm confused, are we still talkin about what the Lunars would be like if they had been corrupted like the Infernals?
If this is taken as truth;
Solars are related to the fantasy/religious version of the Sun.
Infernals are related to the real world version warped through a fantastical lens.
And Lunars can be assumed to be "related to the fantasy/religious verison of the moon"
Then Demonic/Yozi/Primordial Lunars can be assumed to be-
-the real world moon from an Exalted perspective, and an Exaltation based on those themes.
I'm asking what that theoretical interpretation would be like.
 
If this is taken as truth;

And Lunars can be assumed to be "related to the fantasy/religious verison of the moon"
Then Demonic/Yozi/Primordial Lunars can be assumed to be-

I'm asking what that theoretical interpretation would be like.

Okay, so let's see. The real life moon is a cold, desolate hunk of rock covered in toxic dust. It reflects the light of the Sun and it's gravitational pull creates the tides.

So, Lifelessness, Toxicity, and Reflection could be themes.

Sleep and Nightmares perhaps, lots of people have trouble sleeping on full moon nights.

Insanity, Passion and Emotion are often associated with the moon, even outside religious and mythological contexts.

Hegra and Oramus fit with those themes i think. Szorenzy maybe too.
 
Sleep and Nightmares perhaps, lots of people have trouble sleeping on full moon nights.
Insanity, Passion and Emotion are often associated with the moon, even outside religious and mythological contexts.
So this sounds like stuff that might require Gossamer.
Also things linked to Sacheverell.
it's gravitational pull creates the tides.
A connection to Kimbery?
It reflects the light of the Sun
Lifelessness
Maybe they have a harder time working solo and have a bunch of stuff that gets buffed if working with someone else?
Their "terraforming"/Desecration Charm-tech renders areas uninhabitable? Maybe Resource Denial/Scorched Earth tactics?
With the other stuff it looks like possible Guerilla/Terror tactics as well.

So the Castes would be connected to Hegra, Oramus, Szoreny, Sacheverell, and Kimbery?
Hmm, maybe Infernals are meant to Rule and these ones would be meant to Ruin anything the Infernals can't/won't conquer?
What they are meant to be could vary a lot depending on if they would be developed after or alongside the Infernals, if it was after they could be supposed to fill perceived gaps in the Infernals' capabilities, or maybe as a sort of leash to keep the Infernals dependent on Hell after the first few Rebels break off.
 
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Essentially, the Infernals are already "Infernal Lunars" - they represent the grand, hideous cosmos that lies beyond the solar system - the alien stars (which are really suns) that nourish untold worlds, the relentlessly hostile conditions inside a gas giant or on the surface of a world with no atmosphere, the twin scourges of hard vacuum and cosmic radiation, the way rules of reality which we're familiar with become distorted (or unrecognizable) when applied to the stellar void.

Cecelyne is the "real" Moon - a desolate wasteland of white/silver sand that chokes the lungs, with an endless black void above.

Isidoros is a black hole - all-devouring, unstoppable, obliterating everything that comes near through the unimaginably intense weight of its presence.

Malfeas is the "real" Sun - a pitiless nuclear engine that spews hard radiation into the void, heedless to what its fury does to mere mortals.

Adorjan is the vacuum of space - empty of sound, empty of life, violently inimical to both.

The original Exaltations are the pretty lie the Incarnae concocted for their new kingdom, a world of humanity.

The Infernals are the truth that they tried to bury, the foundational forces that will endure long after Sol Invictus shrivels to dust in his seat at the Games and Gaea chokes on the inchoate fury of the siblings she butchered.
 
The original Exaltations are the pretty lie the Incarnae concocted for their new kingdom, a world of humanity.

The Infernals are the truth that they tried to bury, the foundational forces that will endure long after Sol Invictus shrivels to dust in his seat at the Games and Gaea chokes on the inchoate fury of the siblings she butchered.

The original Exaltations aren't fake, dude.

And if we're going by 2e canon, Infernal Exaltations are actually pretty uniquely fragile.
 
The original Exaltations aren't fake, dude.

And if we're going by 2e canon, Infernal Exaltations are actually pretty uniquely fragile.
I never said they were "fake", I said they were a lie: an artificial creation made to paper over an undesirable truth. The Exaltations, and the Incarnae they're patterned on, are synthetic constructs - made to perform a task, to fulfill a set function.

Likewise, the original Exaltations are a false representation of the things they were made in effigy of - Sol Invictus is a fried-out derelict at this point, Luna has abandoned her guardianship of Creation to wander the Outer Chaos, the Maidens can barely bestir themselves from the Loom's depths. Solars channel the ideal of the Unconquered Sun - the perfect, peerless being of immaculate virtue, not the broken wretch he became. Lunars are the ideal of Luna, many-faced wardens and protectors against the horrors Outside. Sidereals are the ideal of the Maidens, using their influence over the Loom of Fate to protect the integrity of its systems and shepherding the various gods that act as its infrastructure.

By comparison, the Infernal Exaltations are brutally honest. Their charmsets don't hide the flaws of their source material, or pretend to make the Yozis out to be more virtuous than they really are. The Primordial Mythoi are "objective" rules (you can't breathe in space, unfiltered solar radiation is bad for you, any action provokes a reaction, etc.) compared to the philosophical/mythological/"moral" rules of the Incarnae (the Sun is a big happy ball of love and justice, the night sky is a beautiful painted dome studded with crystals, Fate is a literal Loom that weaves causality.)
 
So, unrelated to any of this discussion, and I know Ex3 isn't exactly popular here, and this isn't even particularly clever, but it put a smile on me and my players' faces nonetheless.

So, start out as a sorcerer and mutate the hell out of yourself. I'm talking giant, extra limbs, enhanced senses,wings, quills, the works. Then you go into Larceny up through Perfect Mirror. You now have like -20 to your disguise checks, but the vast majority of people don't even get a roll to see your real form. Congratulations, you are now Chicken Boo.
 
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And thus is born 'could possibly be a badass, if things go well.' All the other exalted make fun of him, and it's easy to see why. Compared to Invincible Sword Princess or Golden Meteorite, getting the name of 'could possibly be a badass, if things go well' is a bit embarrassing.
Now lets be fair after s/he exalted they likely changed their name to "Things Went Well."
 
I never said they were "fake", I said they were a lie: an artificial creation made to paper over an undesirable truth. The Exaltations, and the Incarnae they're patterned on, are synthetic constructs - made to perform a task, to fulfill a set function.

Likewise, the original Exaltations are a false representation of the things they were made in effigy of - Sol Invictus is a fried-out derelict at this point, Luna has abandoned her guardianship of Creation to wander the Outer Chaos, the Maidens can barely bestir themselves from the Loom's depths. Solars channel the ideal of the Unconquered Sun - the perfect, peerless being of immaculate virtue, not the broken wretch he became. Lunars are the ideal of Luna, many-faced wardens and protectors against the horrors Outside. Sidereals are the ideal of the Maidens, using their influence over the Loom of Fate to protect the integrity of its systems and shepherding the various gods that act as its infrastructure.

By comparison, the Infernal Exaltations are brutally honest. Their charmsets don't hide the flaws of their source material, or pretend to make the Yozis out to be more virtuous than they really are. The Primordial Mythoi are "objective" rules (you can't breathe in space, unfiltered solar radiation is bad for you, any action provokes a reaction, etc.) compared to the philosophical/mythological/"moral" rules of the Incarnae (the Sun is a big happy ball of love and justice, the night sky is a beautiful painted dome studded with crystals, Fate is a literal Loom that weaves causality.)
When it comes to Creation, it could be said that the originals are exactly as "fake"/"untrue" as the creations of the Incarnae. After all, the Wyld is the true and natural state of reality, and everything else is just a synthetic construct of either the Primordials or the Incarnae.
 
So this sounds like stuff that might require Gossamer.
Also things linked to Sacheverell.

I could see the Infernal Lunars melting down Fair Folk for fun and profit.
Maybe invade peoples dreams for information gathering, or use Gossamer to manifest their worst nightmares in combat.

A connection to Kimbery?

Would fit, not just with the tides. Motherhood is Kimberys thing, if i remember correctly, and a lunar cycle takes 28 days, same as a menstrual cycle, so that could make for a connection to her themes.

Maybe they have a harder time working solo and have a bunch of stuff that gets buffed if working with someone else?
Their "terraforming"/Desecration Charm-tech renders areas uninhabitable? Maybe Resource Denial/Scorched Earth tactics?
With the other stuff it looks like possible Guerilla/Terror tactics as well.

Definitly, Reflection lends itself greatly for synergy mechanics. When working in groups their powers should become stronger and more obvious.

Scorched Earth and Resource Denial, but also Sabotage and Terrorism.
Drive high ranking enemies insane, demoralise an enemy army by giving them week full nightmares about their imminent slaughter, before facing them in battle, spike the water supply of a fortress with Hegrean LDS, stuff like that

So the Castes would be connected to Hegra, Oramus, Szoreny, Sacheverell, and Kimbery?
Hmm, maybe Infernals are meant to Rule and these ones would be meant to Ruin anything the Infernals can't/won't conquer?

"If we can't have it, no one can have it." That sounds like something the Yozis would do, doesn't it?

What they are meant to be could vary a lot depending on if they would be developed after or alongside the Infernals, if it was after they could be supposed to fill perceived gaps in the Infernals' capabilities, or maybe as a sort of leash to keep the Infernals dependent on Hell after the first few Rebels break off.

A corrupted Solar Bond mechanic maybe? As long as one bond mate remains loyal to the Yozis the other has a hard time rebelling?
 
When it comes to Creation, it could be said that the originals are exactly as "fake"/"untrue" as the creations of the Incarnae. After all, the Wyld is the true and natural state of reality, and everything else is just a synthetic construct of either the Primordials or the Incarnae.
Nonsense, clearly the natural state of things is nonexistence, the world's true end-state. The Wyld is tainted by an excess of what people perceive as 'reality', a heresy of feelings and form. It is excessively unrefined and tangled with 'being'. Meanwhile, stare into Oblivion and it will give you the truth without any pretense: All things are doomed, and will succumb to the cold and all-embracing caress of nonbeing in time.

And life is sweet and the sun is high
But the flesh and the fire are born to die.


(Jokes aside, in the 'what do the important beings of Exalted represent' subject, the Neverborn and Oblivion are probably the empty space between stars and planets. The Ebon Dragon is probably, like, dark matter or entropy or something, but Oblivion is the true void whose nature we don't quite understand and is really scary.)
 
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There's one thing I've been wondering about: let's say that one of the old Solars managed to escape the initial blow of the Usurpation. Then he ran off to Malfeas and hid himself there. Would it be possible for a lone Solar to survive indefinitely in hell all the way to the Age of Sorrows without getting killed by Bronze faction gank-squads? Either by applying for political asylum amongst the Unquestionables or simply piling on the stealth charms and vanishing into the masses of demon-kind?
 
There's one thing I've been wondering about: let's say that one of the old Solars managed to escape the initial blow of the Usurpation. Then he ran off to Malfeas and hid himself there. Would it be possible for a lone Solar to survive indefinitely in hell all the way to the Age of Sorrows without getting killed by Bronze faction gank-squads? Either by applying for political asylum amongst the Unquestionables or simply piling on the stealth charms and vanishing into the masses of demon-kind?

A Solar absolutely could have done that. In fact, a Solar could have done that in ordinary Creation. The problem is that most people, especially the type of people who become Solars, wouldn't do that. It implies giving up everything you care about and, well, continuing to mostly not care about things. Eventually, your Solar is probably going to be tempted to take an active hand in some event or other - at which point they are again vulnerable.

That said, if you want to use this as a premise for an Elder NPC in a game, it's perfectly fine.
 
I never said they were "fake", I said they were a lie: an artificial creation made to paper over an undesirable truth. The Exaltations, and the Incarnae they're patterned on, are synthetic constructs - made to perform a task, to fulfill a set function.

More fanon than canon, and not even good fanon.

Likewise, the original Exaltations are a false representation of the things they were made in effigy of - Sol Invictus is a fried-out derelict at this point, Luna has abandoned her guardianship of Creation to wander the Outer Chaos, the Maidens can barely bestir themselves from the Loom's depths. Solars channel the ideal of the Unconquered Sun - the perfect, peerless being of immaculate virtue, not the broken wretch he became. Lunars are the ideal of Luna, many-faced wardens and protectors against the horrors Outside. Sidereals are the ideal of the Maidens, using their influence over the Loom of Fate to protect the integrity of its systems and shepherding the various gods that act as its infrastructure.

The Exaltations don't actually carry the duties of the Icarnae, and they don't enforce their ideals; there's nothing in a Solar Exaltation to stop you from becoming a decadent and despairing waste of power and skill. As the late First Age proved, Exalts can fail the same way their patrons can. And like their patrons, they retain their awesome power when they do so.

It's the very opposite of a lie, really.
 
What region is it in? It says Northern, but is it true north, northeast or northwest?

Oh shit sorry I 100% had a reply thought out then just forgot to type it lol. It's in Tiangou, part of the North-East at the far end of the Threshold before you hit the White Sea and all those fucking mountains. It's sorta my Big Attempt at hashing out a region in Exalted (you can find the shit here, I'll add Nine Tarnished Tails to it once I read it over again and polish it up In the Land of Red Trees).

Ideally it's the kind of thing that someone could pop out and snap in to someplace else with barely any effort too.

To be fair, that's honestly a very realistic sort of baby name. I mean, if you name your kid after a great hero and he lives his life as a tax collector, then boy is there egg on your face.

To be fair too this is pre-modern times. Tax collectors kinda have to be fucking hardcore considering accessibility to bribes and the risk of horrible, horrible violence befalling you. I mean these are the people who have to go in and shake down the local lord or whatever for all the shit he owes. A lot of the time that's probably alarmingly literal.
 
Oh shit sorry I 100% had a reply thought out then just forgot to type it lol. It's in Tiangou, part of the North-East at the far end of the Threshold before you hit the White Sea and all those fucking mountains. It's sorta my Big Attempt at hashing out a region in Exalted (you can find the shit here, I'll add Nine Tarnished Tails to it once I read it over again and polish it up In the Land of Red Trees).

Ideally it's the kind of thing that someone could pop out and snap in to someplace else with barely any effort too.



To be fair too this is pre-modern times. Tax collectors kinda have to be fucking hardcore considering accessibility to bribes and the risk of horrible, horrible violence befalling you. I mean these are the people who have to go in and shake down the local lord or whatever for all the shit he owes. A lot of the time that's probably alarmingly literal.
I'm just trying to figure out where it would be in relation to Pale Wolf's Pretannia, Omicron's Mankalvar, and my own Moon's Stone Pond (which at the moment is southwest of Mankalvar and really west of Pretannia. Or east, I'm having some trouble with it.)
 
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To be fair too this is pre-modern times. Tax collectors kinda have to be fucking hardcore considering accessibility to bribes and the risk of horrible, horrible violence befalling you. I mean these are the people who have to go in and shake down the local lord or whatever for all the shit he owes. A lot of the time that's probably alarmingly literal.

It's kind of like cyberpunk

The IRS-equivalent are basically the baddest asses to ass bad because they have to collect taxes from regular badasses

Have you tried making your local megacorp CEO pay their back taxes
 
Once you've gone cyberpunk, the CEOs are collecting taxes from you.
You say that, but the IRS managed to get them to pay via a combination of incentives, fines and Alchemical Exalted tax-collectors armed with the artifact weaponry. They were quite happy to accept a payment plan Once-Relentless Pursuer of the Guilty killed all their guards and mind-jacked the CEO for his bank details.
 
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