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- Singapore
Don't know. I just wonder if there's a political cartoon of someone with good intentions fucking up.
World history is not my forte
General Exalted Thread
World history is not my forte
greensun
You shall all burn beneath my light!!!
That was me, actually. Though he was the one to bring in the clearly biased and Republican picture. Though I would like to remind people that Accelerator is from Singapore, not the US.
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
Learn. This is the most basic goddamn shit, dude. Put some effort in, and maybe people might actually stop brushing off your questions. Wouldn't that be nice?
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- Ottawa
I think it's a mistake to treat the Exalted as distinct from humanity.
There are tons, and they're basically all bad.
Let's use the example you brought up. Obama knew, when he pulled out of Iraq, that things might get worse afterwards. Everyone knew. But he thought it was worth it. The portrayal in the cartoon, with the big goofy smile, is ridiculous; he was trying to get his country out of a war that he considered idiotic and disastrous. He was never remotely happy with the state of Iraq.
That's the thing about editorial cartoons. They often lie, but not with words. They give false impressions without directly saying untruths.
I think that Exalts should be treated as distinct from everyone, as individual existences with only passing resemblance to each other, because that's effectively what they are.
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So?
You don't have to be ordinary or mortal to be human. Every Solar is a human-shaped being born to human parents, raised as a human, filled with human organs, forming their worldview from a human perspective.
Everyone's distinct from everyone. But humans have some qualities in common, and Exalts have most of those qualities too.
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- Singapore
Its.. its not that. Thing is, exaltatin changes people.
Ok, there's this kingdom. Oppressed by a god. The people moan and groan under the yoke, the king is helpless. Countless knights and warriors have tries to take down the rogue god, but all were slain. A new hero is coming, with his band of friends. This battle between the mortal heroes and the god will be one for the ages.
An exalt? A terrestrial god isn't worth getting worked up over.
Sometimes these human-shaped beings are snakemen or catgirls, of course. But snakemen and catgirls are humans too.
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- Denmark
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- She/Her
You can treat an Exalt as inhuman the point where they have distanced themselves from it and the only Exalts who really do that are Abyssals and Infernals (and to a lesser degree Dragon-Blooded).
That's just power though, unless you want to argue that humanity is a scale that's relative even among humans so a king becomes less human when he talks to a hobo lol.
That's just power though, unless you want to argue that humanity is a scale that's relative even among humans so a king becomes less human when he talks to a hobo lol.
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....you guys do know that humans were intentionally made weak so that they would pray more, so the primordials would get more of that delicious ambrosia and quintessence, right?
We do. What of it?
Prosperity-Through-Virtue Parable
Cost: —; Mins: Essence 2; Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: Any Integrity Excellency
The Solar Exalted are wealthy, for the sun has blessed them for their righteous ways. The poor, by contrast, are wicked and corrupt - and that poverty makes it obvious for all to see.
When comparing Appearance in social combat, the Solar treats their opponent's Appearance as being modified by the difference between their Resources and his own. Those wealthier than him appear more attractive, while the fiscally lacking have every flaw accentuated. In addition, if the Solar has Compassion 3+, he no longer needs to fail a roll or spend Willpower to harm mortals with lower Resources than him in ways that violate Compassion. Such beings are beneath him, and their pain does not trouble him. Conversely, the Solar can't channel Compassion to aid those poorer mortals. The sufferings of fellow Essence users compel his heart - and wallet - normally and may prompt him to channel Compassion to help them, for power is valuable in its own right.
The Dragonblooded have an identical Charm, save that it requires Socialise 3 and its prerequisite is Jade Defence.
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Its more than power though, its personal unrestricted power.
The king still his to act in a way that his subjects will still chose to follow, and wont get his lords to rise up in rebellion in order to maintain his power. Its conditional, and can't be applied in some cases otherwise he is no more powerfull than that random hobo. Especially if his kingdom falls, or he's usurped.
An exalt could be as powerful as the kings army, or as productive as his engineering corps. And he can do whatever he wants with that power, whenever he want's. He doesn't need the kingdom to be better than a hobo, and can still do more than everyone around him if his kingdom turns to ash. He could even build another one without to much trouble.
The king is human because he needs a society to be nominally on his side to be powerful.
The exalt is less human because the society is just a convenient way to get a bit more power, one hat he could make himself if he so chose.
Edit: Sorry, misread your post
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Would that mean there is a similar charm to Murder is meat for Compassion lunars and Sids as well, or do they just burn Willpower
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- America
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- He/Him
I'm gonna use this to
As someone who has actually read Continuum I find it amusing that Exalted is an actual term in Continuum. (It refers to people who can travel 10,000 years and 10,000 miles through time, or more, before having to take a rest). Continuum also has a glorious ancient prehistory thousands of years before the modern era (Insert Exalted as oWoD prehistory quote here [as a side note, Continuum is set up in a pretty typical WoD fashion, with a seemingly monolithic organization that manages the space-time continuum and keeps people from creating paradoxes vs a scrappy band of rebels willing to do questionable things for their cause, who think that alternate timelines can be created).
With that out of the way I'd like to present my ideas on what a Exalted-Continuum crossover would actually look like (and pretend like someone else actually cares and that I'm not the only one who has actually read the Continuum: Roleplaying in the Yet book).
So the Continuum, as a shadowy bureaucracy that hides their members behind the guise of normal people while secretly watching over the timeline, would have to take the thematic space of the Sidereals (after all they have people who direct
Now you'd have to adjust how you become a time traveller to fit wth an exalted crossover (you can't just make anyone you want an Exalted). You'd probably want to go the Heaven's Reach route in regards to exaltations (Have them be managed by some kind of mysterious grand AI system and be technological in nature). Solars, Lunars, and the Dragonblooded would be famous and infamous people in history who the Continuum-Sidereals work with or against as necessary to ensure the stability of the timeline.
The Narcissists of Continuum (rebels who want to change the timeline or reach other timelines and are willing to go to drastic measures to do so) would fill the role of the Infernal Exalted (yes these Infernals are more negaSidereals than negaSolars), being made from stolen
The Narcissist-Infernals would fight across space-time (the Exalted version of space-time with a bunch of historical figures who are Exalts of some kind) against the Continuum-Sidereals (who actually refer to different eras in history using the zodiac so could still keep the star theme). You'd also want to write new charmsets for the Sidereals and Infernals to cover their time travel abilities. The new Sidereal charms would be all about how they use their ability to time travel to give them an advantage at doing things (in the same way that dragonblooded charms are about how they use their element to give them an advantage). The new infernal charms would be designed like the old ones, in that they would have their cool powers be designed for acquiring followers and ruling over them as a cult leader and emperor instead of simply helping people (ie: to help spare jews from the holocaust you'd probably have to use your powers to pretend to be the messiah, grant them 'miracles' that give them power while making them less human, and lead them as a glorious army against the nazis, leading to a new timeline where you rule as god emperor over a kingdom of freed jews where Germany once stood).
Earthscorpion's abilities and styles from Kerisgame actually work well for Continuum as it had a system with broad skills that you had to get more specific versions of to advance (the main difference is that the specialties wouldn't just show the culture you learned the skill in, they'd also show the time period).
You'd probably divide the skills up something like this1:
Managers: (Persuasion)
-Money-Changers
-Midwives
-(Yrnë Merchant)
Abilities:
•Bureaucracy
•Politics
•Presence
Wise Men: (Cognition)
-Dreamers
-Engineers
-Physicians
-Quicker
-(Yrnë Lotus-Dancer)
Abilities:
•Awareness
•Investigation
•Occult2
Sneaks: (Reaction)
-Antiquarians
-Thespians
-(Yrnë Hitcher)
Abilities:
•Athletics
•Expression
•Subterfuge
Traveler: (Endurance)
-Scribes
-(Yrnë Pilgrim)
Abilities:
•Lore
•Survival
•Travel
Warriors: (Physique)
-Fox-Horn
-(Yrnë Warrior)
Abilities:
•Command
•Melee
•Ranged
Most of MJ12 Commando's 500 pages of crossover would be spent in charms (which in true borgstromantic fashion would be written to help you understand Continuum's mentality on how time travel works). In a Kerisgame-esq fashion you'd receive the basic time traveler charms3 as a free starting package so that you could spend your xp on things that actually say something about your character.
[1] For those not familiar with Continuum, probably everybody, the Continuum is broken up into 10 different 'Fraternities' which all do different roles to keep the organization working. The Narcissists are more messy as portrayed in the prerelease of their perspective (which was never released as a final product) but I managed to corral both groups into five broad archetypes (as whitewolf does for types of Exalts).
[2] The Occult skill would probably be called Science if you learn it in a more modern time period or in a more scientific way (you could learn medicine in medieval times, but it'd be based off of their supernatural beliefs about the four humors and how contagions spread through 'bad air'. Whereas a more modern understanding would have a much more accurate understanding of the actual principles behind how things work).
[3] These would be your basic time travel and teleport charms, your "I need more ammo now so later I'll go back in time and leave it under this couch, which means that it should be there now" (called slipshanking in continuum), your "my future self comes back to help me in this fight" charm (called a gemeni), and your "I really wish I could pick locks right now, I'll time travel away, learn to pick locks, and come back a second later with the necessary skills" charm.
Alert: HOW. AMUSING.
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- National Capital Region, USA
how. amusing.
Speaking as someone in Baghdad at the moment, this is just. So. Funny.
Wait, no. It's that other thing. The opposite of funny.
Wait, no. It's that other thing. The opposite of funny.
do better
That cartoon would be barely appropriate in a Current Affairs politics thread. It is not appropriate here. Nor is posts like 'find a better one'. You've been persistently low-effort disruptive of the thread, Accelerator. Take 25 points and two weeks away. Improve.
Graypairofsocks
What is Grammar?
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- earth
We can start at "Doesn't murder them for shits and giggles" and work our way to a reasonable definition.
I always prefer the concept of rigteousness is 'I/we have a bigger [INSERT WORD] dong than you, so you can't fuck with me/us' in Exalted.
The problem is you need multiple kind of dongs to not get fucked.
In Exalted Modern, this charm is known as Paul Ryan Sublimation Technique.
Well, Exalted: Earth, anyway, since Exalted Modern's a different thing.
Well, Exalted: Earth, anyway, since Exalted Modern's a different thing.
Nah, in Exalted Modern Paul Ryan is the god of death panels.
It's a pretty broad concept.
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- Denmark
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- She/Her
One size fits all.
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- Pittsburgh, PA
The two big things are the anima banner and the caste symbol.
Sidereals don't have big flashy displays when they flare their anima fully - they just produce increasing amounts of red/green/blue/purple/yellow DBZ glow aura and the mark of the Maiden who they are the Chosen of appears on their brow.
By comparison, a Solar has their caste mark show up (they do NOT look like Sidereal ones, btw), then glows, then their soul manifests a big kickass symbolic representation of their soul. So a Chosen of Battles just glows red; a Dawn might also glow red (the red of the rising sun), but when he goes full out his soul manifests an illusory cloud of spears with banners on them, or a shining castle on a hill, or something else that's big and cool-looking and says something about who he is and what he believes in.
Having the Gold Faction involved makes me willing to argue that they might design an Artifact that "suppresses" the Solar's caste mark (or replaces it with a false one) to let him camouflage himself... but either it craps out if he goes full anima banner, limiting how much awesome the Solar can lay down before they blow their cover, or it's something very expensive that the Sidereals would only provide in exchange for someone who is very valuable and they believe is worth the investment.
Speaking of which, do you know about the mote reactor hack? @EarthScorpion and @Aleph came up with it, and I think it would work a lot better for the story you're putting together than the canon rules. Long story short, the more an Exalt lets their anima flare, the more power they can throw around, so the conflict with a Solar isn't "if I do too much stuff people will realize I'm Anathema" but "in order to access my true ultimate power, I have to let out my full anima, which unleashes a giant lightshow that says "HERE BE ANATHEMA" to anyone with eyes for miles around."
Maybe someone else can explain it better.