General Exalted Thread

grommile · Feb 11, 2017

Accelerator said:
But what happens when you use guns?

Seems to me that guns would be a Fire Aspect (because powered by explosives - and I see courtesy of Imrix that there are firearms charms in the relevant supplementary material) or Earth Aspect (because made of metal) thing.

The Wood Aspect continues to use a bow - or possibly a fancy crossbow.

Salty · Feb 11, 2017

Accelerator said:
Well...

How do you guys deal with wood aspects in a modern setting?

ok, I mean, in normal exalted, they fit. You can use the wood aspect charms to let your arrows go through wooden doors and walls and cover, your arrows, infused with your arrows grow into a bush when they hit the target. You can get any plant nearby to grow into arrows for you and your comrades to use.

But what happens when you use guns?

There's still an awful lot of wood in modern environments.

But I would focus more on their poisoning, camouflage, and perhaps straight up emotion-affecting powers.

Accelerator · Feb 11, 2017

grommile said:
Seems to me that guns would be a Fire Aspect (because powered by explosives - and I see courtesy of Imrix that there are firearms charms in the relevant supplementary material) or Earth Aspect (because made of metal) thing.

The Wood Aspect continues to use a bow - or possibly a fancy crossbow.

Hah! Thanks a lot you guys.

That always puzzled me.

Though if you shifted it to either fire or earth aspect, what would you replace it with?

Walker of the Yellow Path · Feb 11, 2017

Accelerator said:
Hah! Thanks a lot you guys.

That always puzzled me.

Though if you shifted it to either fire or earth aspect, what would you replace it with?

Shards of the Exalted Dream (where the Firearms ability comes from) doesn't remove Archery for Firearms. Firearms is added in as a 26th Ability, which Fire Aspects can sub out one of their Caste Abilities to use.

pheonix89 · Feb 11, 2017

Wood aspect archery in a modern setting? Think Codex Alera woodcrafter archers. Terminal-homing rapidfire manportable anti-vehicle bows.

EarthScorpion · Feb 11, 2017

grommile said:
Seems to me that guns would be a Fire Aspect (because powered by explosives - and I see courtesy of Imrix that there are firearms charms in the relevant supplementary material) or Earth Aspect (because made of metal) thing.

The Wood Aspect continues to use a bow - or possibly a fancy crossbow.

However, bluntly, you should go and re-write the Firearms Charms in Shards to apply to Earth Aspects, because Earth Aspects get continually screwed over there.

Accelerator · Feb 11, 2017

pheonix89 said:
Wood aspect archery in a modern setting? Think Codex Alera woodcrafter archers. Terminal-homing rapidfire manportable anti-vehicle bows.

.... as someone who's never read that, any more info?

Also, it doesn't seem to fit.

I mean, fine, codex alera woodcrafter works when its in the other age, when bow and arrows were common. But it doesn't seem to fit in a place where, say, guns are used, and people think you're odd for using a bow and arrow.

The Laurent · Feb 11, 2017

...but in a world where archery was capable of utterly beating guns (at least unless in the hands of someone similarly Exalted and rare, in which case guns are awesome or whatever) they wouldn't view it as weird?

pheonix89 · Feb 11, 2017

Accelerator said:
.... as someone who's never read that, any more info?

Also, it doesn't seem to fit.

I mean, fine, codex alera woodcrafter works when its in the other age, when bow and arrows were common. But it doesn't seem to fit in a place where, say, guns are used, and people think you're odd for using a bow and arrow.

People think you're odd, and then you headcap a guy at 500 feet through a brick wall.

Think homing kinetic kill missiles that just launch from a bow.

I'm still reading through so I can't really give the best of descriptions.

Salty · Feb 11, 2017

pheonix89 said:
People think you're odd, and then you headcap a guy at 500 feet through a brick wall.

Think homing kinetic kill missiles that just launch from a bow.

I'm still reading through so I can't really give the best of descriptions.

Having read the series...you're probably conflating the dude whose voice (and also being an Earth Aspect) gives him super strength so he can wield MAXIMUM BOW for what a straight up Wood Aspect can and should be doing, in the forms if stealth, detection, and generally being an assassiny woodsman archetype.

pheonix89 · Feb 11, 2017

Salty said:
Having read the series...you're probably conflating the dude whose voice (and also being an Earth Aspect) gives him super strength so he can wield MAXIMUM BOW for what a straight up Wood Aspect can and should be doing, in the forms if stealth, detection, and generally being an assassiny woodsman archetype.

Hmm, yeah, perhaps I'm going too heavy on the element part of elemental super soldier.

azoicennead · Feb 11, 2017

Salty said:
Having read the series...you're probably conflating the dude whose voice (and also being an Earth Aspect) gives him super strength so he can wield MAXIMUM BOW for what a straight up Wood Aspect can and should be doing, in the forms if stealth, detection, and generally being an assassiny woodsman archetype.

Bernard is definitely an extreme example, but woodcrafters do canonically use their furies to let them use more powerful bows.

MJ12 Commando · Feb 11, 2017

Imrix said:
You either houserule that the Wood Aspect's Archery charms also work with firearms and run around with weird poisonous bullets that go through wooden doors and growing bullet-trees, or you use the Fire-aspected Firearms Charms from Shards of the Exalted Dream.

Ah yes, the bullet trees, one of the few forms of plant life found in the Gungeon, along with the grenade fruit.

Accelerator · Feb 11, 2017

azoicennead said:
Bernard is definitely an extreme example, but woodcrafters do canonically use their furies to let them use more powerful bows.

The problem isn't the power.

The problem is how it fits in with the setting.

Think about it. You have an air aspect hacking into a computer. You have your water dude fucking things up using his bureaucracy charms to forge documents and hack into codes. your wood aspect....... carries a bow.

it just doesn't seem to fit. It's like carrying a machine gun in D&D. Or something like that.

Aaron Peori · Feb 11, 2017

EarthScorpion said:
However, bluntly, you should go and re-write the Firearms Charms in Shards to apply to Earth Aspects, because Earth Aspects get continually screwed over there.

This is why Melee is an Earth Aspect ability in my rewrite, because stone and metal weapons are Earth.

Fire Aspects get War because its called Dragon Seared Battlefield not Dragon Rocked Battlefield.

EarthScorpion · Feb 11, 2017

Accelerator said:
The problem isn't the power.

The problem is how it fits in with the setting.

Think about it. You have an air aspect hacking into a computer. You have your water dude fucking things up using his bureaucracy charms to forge documents and hack into codes. your wood aspect....... carries a bow.

it just doesn't seem to fit. It's like carrying a machine gun in D&D. Or something like that.

Because it's not like bows are seen in sci-fi settings or anything

Imrix · Feb 11, 2017

EarthScorpion said:
Because it's not like bows are seen in sci-fi settings or anything

Yeah, and I remember that getting roundly mocked, too.

EarthScorpion · Feb 11, 2017

Imrix said:
Yeah, and I remember that getting roundly mocked, too.

It's no less legitimate than swords or unarmed combat.

Whining about bows being in a sci-fi Exalted is dumb, because sci-fi Exalted is more Final Fantasy than anything else. That means you have a party of a guy who has a machine gun for a hand, a guy who uses a sword as big as he is, a girl who punches robots, and why not throw in Hawkeye too?

Imrix · Feb 11, 2017

EarthScorpion said:
It's no less legitimate than swords or unarmed combat.

Whining about bows being in a sci-fi Exalted is dumb, because sci-fi Exalted is more Final Fantasy than anything else. That means you have a party of a guy who has a machine gun for a hand, a guy who uses a sword as big as he is, a girl who punches robots, and why not throw in Hawkeye too?

Yeah, see, that has more validity.

Da Boyz · Feb 11, 2017

Walker of the Yellow Path said:
That's true. But Dragon-blooded should have some form of protection against Crippling effects. As with many things in the DB rulebook, it's kinda stupid that they don't.

Given that Sesus Nagezzar was one of the signature Wood Castes I'm pretty sure that's a feature and not a bug.

meianmaru · Feb 11, 2017

So, @EarthScorpion, I've been thinking about your Spell-Anchor system, and particularly the part about Allies and Demons. Would it be possible for Infernals to use their own soul-spawns as Spell-Anchors, if they've paid the xp cost for the Allies-Background (and roleplayed it somehow)? Mechanically, it shouldn't be too easy when compared to the other solutions, as you are still paying the xp and trying to get a Demon as true ally who you can count on to help you when you need it, and then using their thematics to cast spells. This would be just turning inwards in the search for more power, instead of seeking sources of power outside of yourself.

Kylar · Feb 11, 2017

EarthScorpion said:
It's no less legitimate than swords or unarmed combat.

Whining about bows being in a sci-fi Exalted is dumb, because sci-fi Exalted is more Final Fantasy than anything else. That means you have a party of a guy who has a machine gun for a hand, a guy who uses a sword as big as he is, a girl who punches robots, and why not throw in Hawkeye too?

Or Katniss. Or Inara from Firefly. Or Shiro Emiya when people remember he does things other then swords. Or the Hand in Daredevil Or any of the dozen or so bow using anime/JRPG characters. Etc.

This isn't even going into the 'spec ops soldiers occasionally use crossbows because anything is stealthier then gun fire' argument, and the fact Wood Aspects are already the best spec ops guys. It just goes from situationally useful to mainline tactic, and Exalted runs on impractical weapons anyways.

(I mean, Exalted modern has chainswords.)

At the end of the day, Exalted Modern is the series that a baseline assumptions has you kung-fu fighting Doctor Doom (aka, most modern Slayers). You've basically lost the 'grounded tacicool' aspect from day one. Or rather, its one flavor alongside that person who has decided to play the Kaiju Lunar and the other guy who is playing grumpy gramdma Captain America while the Chosen of Secrets secret kung-fu master is wondering where sanity has gone from the universe. And then makes a Martial Art about it.

(This is sorta based in my version of Exalted Modern which plays the batshit insanity for all it is worth, but I tend to hold the view of if your a guy with bow vs a giant robot, your doing something with your character right in Exalted Modern.)

Chehrazad · Feb 11, 2017

Guys.

You are talking about sci-fi.

And Exalted.

And you haven't yet mentioned Warframe.

This is wrong, and must be remedied.

GardenerBriareus · Feb 11, 2017

See, when this kind of argument comes around, I just remember that there are places in the real world that still use crossbows (modernized repeating ones, but still) for hunting and home defense.

You can totally have one part of an Exalted Modern setting that has the lion's share of Wood Aspects, for whatever reason, and it's spilled over into bows & crossbows still being a major part of things.

SinisterPorpoise · Feb 11, 2017

ManusDomine said:
Guys.

You are talking about sci-fi.

And Exalted.

And you haven't yet mentioned Warframe.

This is wrong, and must be remedied.

Exalted already had those;

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