They already did this, I'm afraid, and it was called Sorcery.

Nah mang, that's stupid and athematic.

Primordial Principle Emulation represents power that's gained through Charms (and since Charms define the Exalted this is important) and also reduces the amount of necessary supplementary material because we no longer need Sorcery as something separate from Charms.

In fact; I propose that we simply make everything into Charms.
 
I got a problem.

I was looking at the 5 dragon style, terresttial and celestial exalted, and shards of the exalted dream.

I want to make a wuxia AU where people gain charms/ exaltations not through happenstance like canon, but through observing the world around them, and then reshaping their essence to resemble it.

Problem. This makes all exalt types available to all, if they work hard enough, and are lucky enough. How do i make this balanced?

I don't want to make the terrestrials into mooks, but their main strength is numbers and cooperation. But i don't want to cheapen the solar, lunar and sidereals either.
 
I got a problem.

I was looking at the 5 dragon style, terresttial and celestial exalted, and shards of the exalted dream.

I want to make a wuxia AU where people gain charms/ exaltations not through happenstance like canon, but through observing the world around them, and then reshaping their essence to resemble it.

Problem. This makes all exalt types available to all, if they work hard enough, and are lucky enough. How do i make this balanced?

I don't want to make the terrestrials into mooks, but their main strength is numbers and cooperation. But i don't want to cheapen the solar, lunar and sidereals either.

You can't.

No, seriously, that's the fundamental problem.

If you make it possible to directly earn an Exaltation, in the sense of directly working towards that end with a reasonable chance of success, then 'balance' is a concept so far back that it is barely a speck in the rear view mirror.

Unless I'm badly misunderstanding what you mean, anyway.
 
I got a problem.

I was looking at the 5 dragon style, terresttial and celestial exalted, and shards of the exalted dream.

I want to make a wuxia AU where people gain charms/ exaltations not through happenstance like canon, but through observing the world around them, and then reshaping their essence to resemble it.

Problem. This makes all exalt types available to all, if they work hard enough, and are lucky enough. How do i make this balanced?

I don't want to make the terrestrials into mooks, but their main strength is numbers and cooperation. But i don't want to cheapen the solar, lunar and sidereals either.
Exalted is already pretty wuxia, but...

Look up Burn Legend. It's pretty much what you're looking for.
 
You can't.

No, seriously, that's the fundamental problem.

If you make it possible to directly earn an Exaltation, in the sense of directly working towards that end with a reasonable chance of success, then 'balance' is a concept so far back that it is barely a speck in the rear view mirror.

Unless I'm badly misunderstanding what you mean, anyway.
How so?
 
Why not? All you have to do is adapt Burn Legends rules towards a medieval fantasy instead of a modern martial arts setting, and you get pretty much what you're looking for.

Plus it's something to go on, rather than nothing.
Let me look at it again....

But anyway, excluding loom shenanigans, how would a nation of mortal sorcerers and thaumaturgists look like in creation?
 

What do you imagine 'balance' looks like, in this example?

Are you just after something like 'how do I preserve Terrestrial numerical superiority without hard-capping the number of Celestial Exaltations'?

Because that's easy. Just make it easier/more intuitive to become a Terrestrial, who reflect and embody the physical world, than someone like a Solar who reflects and embodies a set of ideals.
 
What do you imagine 'balance' looks like, in this example?

Are you just after something like 'how do I preserve Terrestrial numerical superiority without hard-capping the number of Celestial Exaltations'?

Because that's easy. Just make it easier/more intuitive to become a Terrestrial, who reflect and embody the physical world, than someone like a Solar who reflects and embodies a set of ideals.
That was the idea.

Forgot to put it in.
 
Okay, my apologies if this is a little disjointed, but I just woke up screaming an epiphany. I don't know whether this has been said before but a quick search doesn't turn it up.

Okay, so Yozi's tend to be cosmology or sci-fi joke in some way. Malfeas is a Dyson sphere, Isidoros is a black hole, The Ebon Dragon is entropy, and so on. We know this, it's nothing new.

So I was pondering on the Three Spheres Cataclysm in the midst of a dream and I realized:

"IT'S ANTIMATTER!"

At the beginning of our own universe it's theorized that there should have been just as much antimatter as matter and that both should have annihilated each other to nothingness. That that is not the case is something scientists puzzle over.

To paraphrase Games of Divinity: At the beginning of the universe, matter and antimatter met and the flames of mutual annihilation swept across all things. The things that did not burn are now the Universe. The things that turned to ash are beyond the memory and ken of world we see and the men who study it. Not even the furthest reaches of the universe records such things, as the flames died before existence cooled and the infinite expansion sealed the early universe away*.

"As the flesh of Malfeas closed behind her, she cracked three sphere against his bones. and the flames that rose from them swept across all things. The things they did not burn are now Creation. The things they turned to ash are beyond the memory and ken of the world and the gods. Not even the Yozi know the price Creation paid for her vengeance, before the flames died and the bones of Malfeas sealed her in."


And it goes further than that: She Who Lives In Her Name is also known as "The Pyre on Which Thoughts Are Burned." Creation is an animist setting. Her erasing the wills of other beings is perfectly in keeping with being antimatter in a setting where narrative and the thoughts of willful beings are fundamental components of reality. Her name is a concept that is to thoughts as antimatter is to matter.

Likewise it explains how she lives in her name: Her name, her coremost nature, is an anti-thought. She lives in her name because her name is her body.

Further, being a whispering fire contained within crystal spheres? Mirrors antimatter contained by magnetic fields within special devices.

She Who Lives In Her Name isn't just a galaxy and toxic order, she's an antimatter galaxy with rigid, toxic order literally being antimatter.

*And yes, I did deliberately structure that paraphrase so as to imply that Theion was the omnipresent heat of the early universe and that Malfeas is the inflationary period+ continual expansion. If one Yozi is three things at once why not the others? That said, it's probably nothing new. Empyreal Chaos = Hot early period of the universe is pretty obvious. It basically means "Flaming Space" after all.

And now I need to go back to sleep.
 
Okay, my apologies if this is a little disjointed, but I just woke up screaming an epiphany. I don't know whether this has been said before but a quick search doesn't turn it up.

Okay, so Yozi's tend to be cosmology or sci-fi joke in some way. Malfeas is a Dyson sphere, Isidoros is a black hole, The Ebon Dragon is entropy, and so on. We know this, it's nothing new.

So I was pondering on the Three Spheres Cataclysm in the midst of a dream and I realized:

"IT'S ANTIMATTER!"

At the beginning of our own universe it's theorized that there should have been just as much antimatter as matter and that both should have annihilated each other to nothingness. That that is not the case is something scientists puzzle over.

To paraphrase Games of Divinity: At the beginning of the universe, matter and antimatter met and the flames of mutual annihilation swept across all things. The things that did not burn are now the Universe. The things that turned to ash are beyond the memory and ken of world we see and the men who study it. Not even the furthest reaches of the universe records such things, as the flames died before existence cooled and the infinite expansion sealed the early universe away*.

"As the flesh of Malfeas closed behind her, she cracked three sphere against his bones. and the flames that rose from them swept across all things. The things they did not burn are now Creation. The things they turned to ash are beyond the memory and ken of the world and the gods. Not even the Yozi know the price Creation paid for her vengeance, before the flames died and the bones of Malfeas sealed her in."


And it goes further than that: She Who Lives In Her Name is also known as "The Pyre on Which Thoughts Are Burned." Creation is an animist setting. Her erasing the wills of other beings is perfectly in keeping with being antimatter in a setting where narrative and the thoughts of willful beings are fundamental components of reality. Her name is a concept that is to thoughts as antimatter is to matter.

Likewise it explains how she lives in her name: Her name, her coremost nature, is an anti-thought. She lives in her name because her name is her body.

Further, being a whispering fire contained within crystal spheres? Mirrors antimatter contained by magnetic fields within special devices.

She Who Lives In Her Name isn't just a galaxy and toxic order, she's an antimatter galaxy with rigid, toxic order literally being antimatter.

*And yes, I did deliberately structure that paraphrase so as to imply that Theion was the omnipresent heat of the early universe and that Malfeas is the inflationary period+ continual expansion. If one Yozi is three things at once why not the others? That said, it's probably nothing new. Empyreal Chaos = Hot early period of the universe is pretty obvious. It basically means "Flaming Space" after all.

And now I need to go back to sleep.

This is an amazing theory. I think you're thinking about it on a deeper level than the authors intended but Death of the Author, right?
 
... shine on you crazy diamond. Also go to bed.
Plan to, it'll take a moment to burn off the energy. On the plus side I went to bed early so it's not super late here.

Also I'm more than a little amused that, if I'm correct, I literally woke up screaming Her name. Best way to come to understanding of a Yozi, would recommend.
 
This is an amazing theory. I think you're thinking about it on a deeper level than the authors intended but Death of the Author, right?
This is exalted. Most of the Yozi are cosmology jokes. The Shinma are a giant set theory joke. "Yozi is obscure cosmology joke" is an interpretation fully in line with authorial intent.
 
Alright, I've slept but just before sleeping I realized that this idea of "Yozi as aspects and eras of the cosmos" can also be followed to an inevitable conclusion. I hope I've done it justice.

An Epilogue

Will the Yozi ever escape? Yes.

But it will not be soon. It is not imminent. It will not happen in the second age, nor the third, nor the fourth, nor any other time that may be called an Age of Creation.

In time, Sol Invictus will die. He may have successors, a multitude lasting age upon countless age, and yet they too will pass.

In time, Luna may depart Creation, the tides of her inconstant heart at last pulling her to follow the Emerald Mother.

In time, Autocthon's ingenuity will fail him at last.

In time perhaps Malfeas may right himself, Isidoros bracing against the firmament of Cecelyne to push his layers inwards to meet the Green Sun while Metagaos dances and plays as all of Hell falls into his degeneracy. Or perhaps Malfeas's expansion might in time outgrow his heart, until the last note from the beginning fades away from the background of the cosmos that is He Who Was Malfeas. Perhaps both, one following the other.

Even Ligier will die with time.

In time long passing --- such that a Bodhisattva rubbing silk thread across stone might grind down even Qaf --- the last peace will end, the last war will be fought, the last secret will be spoken, the last journey will be made, and the world itself will end.

In time, when the last worm that crawls, and the last man that walks, and the last god who keeps their watch over the world are all gone, even Oblivion may slowly fade away, taking with it the last memory of those who were never born into the world at it's beginning.

And with those endings the Yozi will be freed from their prison, for there will be nothing left to hold their oaths.

In that darkness the Ebon Dragon will find himself free to leave, only to find Adorjan's silence already waiting for him as He Who Was Malfeas at last escapes, encompassing the fullness of Cecelyne's firmament, followed by a society of Pyrian Flame ensconced safely within crystal spheres, ordered and regimented enough that it might last to see the end of all things.

And under dark skies they will walk west, towards a place called Saigoth that lies furthest from the irreducible perfection of Dharma, the place where the Sun and the Stars last set. That place that Lucien once glimpsed in the dreams of Sacheverell.

And there with Emeralds of Gaia and the Celestial metal of the gods of sun and stars they will craft a doorway between the Void of ending and the Primordial beginning.

And what lies beyond it, No one knows.

This is exalted. Most of the Yozi are cosmology jokes. The Shinma are a giant set theory joke. "Yozi is obscure cosmology joke" is an interpretation fully in line with authorial intent.
Not only that but, if my reading is correct, each Yozi is several cosmology and sci-fi jokes rolled into one being.

As detailed above: (just from the things I'm adding to the picture or discovering for myself from first principles)
Isidoros is the gravity that brings the big crunch, exchanging one disaster for another.
Cecelyne the fabric of space and the quantum firmament of the universe,
Metagaos is degenerate matter and neutron stars
Ligier is the cosmic background radiation that shines on all places, inverted into a point source
He Who Was Malfeas is the universe after expansion and time has redshifted the rest of the observable universe into obscurity
She Who Lives in Her Name is your classic "sci-fi society that's going to see the end of the universe"
Qaf is mountain who's grinding down measures the kalpa
Oblivion is the black holes from the beginning of the universe, and the neverborn are those records trapped within of things that did not endure the end of the early hot era.
Sacheverell is determinism and Laplace's demon, though that's nothing new.
And the Gates of Saigoth are another classic sci-fi concept: The gate to another universe that those people who remain will travel through when the universe is gone.

(Elloge isn't detailed and I would need to do research, but would probably be dark matter. Szoreny I don't know.)
 
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She Who Lives in Her Name is your classic "sci-fi society that's going to see the end of the universe"
I've always interpreted her as a galaxy, given she's a central sphere with thousands of extra spheres filled with stuff around her.

And the Gates of Saigoth are another classic sci-fi concept: The gate to another universe that those people who remain will travel through when the universe is gone.
Actually; hilariously the Saigoth Gates were written to be just a myth.

Like; just a myth.

No truth in it.

Just a myth.

This is always a concept that I have found deeply hilarious.
 
I've always interpreted her as a galaxy, given she's a central sphere with thousands of extra spheres filled with stuff around her.
No one said a galaxy couldn't be a society of too. :V

... hunh. Likely a galaxy-society of dyson spheres to be literalist.

Like I said, these are just the new aspects I'm interpreting rather than the whole.

EDIT: Make that a Fascist antimatter galaxy-society of dyson spheres.
Actually; hilariously the Saigoth Gates were written to be just a myth.

Like; just a myth.

No truth in it.

Just a myth.

This is always a concept that I have found deeply hilarious.
Yup. But the Gates of Saigoth are detailed in the Gilmyne who descend from the Guardian of Sleep. It seems plausible that Lucien might have accidentally gazed into Samsara at one point, and so the Gilmyne and their myth descend from the resulting compulsion.

So the gates are just a myth, until someone decides to make them. (Because what do people do with myths we love? We work to make them real.)
 
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