They're salty dogs, ho ho ho.
General Exalted Thread
They're salty dogs, ho ho ho.
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- Spain
Why would you want to fix SWLIHN-chan?
The Pyrian flame is perfect.
Perfect minus three, now.
Graypairofsocks
What is Grammar?
- Location
- earth
Usually R.O.B means to just handwave the issue.
Anyways I am pretty sure it isn't impossible to build a copy of an exaltation. We know that Exalted's can be built by mortals who were given the blue prints, as with Alchemials. If Autobot came up to a bunch of people and gave them a guide on how to make a Solar Exaltation then they would theoretically be able to do it. I don't know why they only built 700 celestial exaltations, but my guess is that it was a combination of limited time and resources. In the case of the Sidereals they were built using threads from the loom of fate, and the maidens only wanted 100.
Wanting to duplicate an Exaltation might work as a motivation.
Egysok, the Lonely Crowds
Demon of the First Circle
Progeny of the Innocent Demon
An egysok has one hundred and four bodies, that in their seeming resemble hairless humans with a single short horn on their brow. It is their curse that one hundred and three of these bodies are imaginary, and can only be perceived by others of their breed. Such is their self-confidence, however, that most people do not notice that they cannot see the imagined forms and thus they treat each egysok as a mob. Only the more perceptive notice that there is only one demon present.
To watch two lonely crowds fight is an intensely strange spectacle, for their confidence in their conflict means onlookers perceive a dreadful battle going on despite the fact that they customarily position their real body near the back of the crowd, to jeer and call out moral support.
The voice of an egysok is in magnitude proportional to their imagined size, and so when they speak it is in the voice of a hundred and four men. They are clumsy and have problems coordinated their teeming horde, and often forget to move their real body. For that reason they are not particularly useful demons for physical activity, though in Malfeas they see much use for their song which is both sweet and choral and is efficacious at driving away the Silent Wind. Smarter demons cover their horn with hats or bandages, or are instructed to do so by their summoner.
Summoning: (Obscurity 2/4): Sorcerers call upon egysoks when they wish to inflate their perceived numbers. A few lonely crowds can make a small force look like a teeming army. A lonely crowd takes a point of Limit per scene it is forced to spend in a place that is not large enough for it to fit all its bodies in. An egysok can escape from hell when a demagogue calls on a crowd to rise up in riot against lawful authority; the demon joining the crowd to produce a groundswell of popular support.
Demon of the First Circle
Progeny of the Innocent Demon
An egysok has one hundred and four bodies, that in their seeming resemble hairless humans with a single short horn on their brow. It is their curse that one hundred and three of these bodies are imaginary, and can only be perceived by others of their breed. Such is their self-confidence, however, that most people do not notice that they cannot see the imagined forms and thus they treat each egysok as a mob. Only the more perceptive notice that there is only one demon present.
To watch two lonely crowds fight is an intensely strange spectacle, for their confidence in their conflict means onlookers perceive a dreadful battle going on despite the fact that they customarily position their real body near the back of the crowd, to jeer and call out moral support.
The voice of an egysok is in magnitude proportional to their imagined size, and so when they speak it is in the voice of a hundred and four men. They are clumsy and have problems coordinated their teeming horde, and often forget to move their real body. For that reason they are not particularly useful demons for physical activity, though in Malfeas they see much use for their song which is both sweet and choral and is efficacious at driving away the Silent Wind. Smarter demons cover their horn with hats or bandages, or are instructed to do so by their summoner.
Summoning: (Obscurity 2/4): Sorcerers call upon egysoks when they wish to inflate their perceived numbers. A few lonely crowds can make a small force look like a teeming army. A lonely crowd takes a point of Limit per scene it is forced to spend in a place that is not large enough for it to fit all its bodies in. An egysok can escape from hell when a demagogue calls on a crowd to rise up in riot against lawful authority; the demon joining the crowd to produce a groundswell of popular support.
Graypairofsocks
What is Grammar?
- Location
- earth
All waifus have their place in the hierarchy.
The place of yours is in the dumpster. :lol
Alchemicals are a unique situation the same way Dragonblooded are, because they invert the common Celestial design specifications of what Exaltations typically are, which is a mortal body housing a magical soul. The first step of which is actually having a physical form capable of developing blueprints for. The magical body of an Alchemical is engineered as an Exaltation-catalyzing device using a mortal soul as the raw materials to semi-destructively build a new human consciousness from the pieces, which is then refined into a mobility prosthetic/platform to mount Charms and equipment onto. This is far and away a totally different animal than the shard-plugin route, which uses a transient essence-construct of invisible, untraceable power to forcibly enlighten a living person without fundamentally altering who they are.
Although mortals can certainly build a device like an Alchemical frame to invoke an Exaltation, it is still a fallible approach which requires a great deal of resources and skill to achieve. Attempting to formalize an Exaltation by hand outside of that domain of physicality and engineering, where you get into working with the soul and the nature of essence, mere mortals couldn't possibly have any more control over it than a Dragonblooded heiress does over birthing a pair of opposed-element twins, each of whom is a sheer gamble the blood will be strong enough in them to ignite.
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- Location
- Singapore
Should I make a thread about composite exalts?
Graypairofsocks
What is Grammar?
- Location
- earth
So you would need to be able to turn immaterial or affect the immaterial to build a Celestial Exaltation, that means that mortals wouldn't be able to do it.
You are not going to be building any Exaltation. Autochthon is a crucial part of the Alchemical process - since it is basically making an ensouled divine-shell for the numinous power to animate. If Autochthon was dead, the Alchemical process would not work.
Through the entire High First Age, there were no new Exalts made by the unified Exalted host at the peak of its power [1]. The lessened, fallen, divided Second Age will not achieve it - and it is far beyond mortal ken.
[1] Excluding, of course, Terrestrials made the usual way new Terrestrials get made. Which is much more fun than extended Craft actions.
- Location
- Denmark
- Pronouns
- She/Her
You blaspheme against the Great Maker!
That is true. Gathering the required exotic ingredient for the Craft: Genesis action is fun. The nine-slash-fifteen month extended crafting action is much less enjoyable for the crafter.
Honestly, neomah are much more sensible here than mortals. Storing your genesis-forge in a tower you externalise when you want to work is a superior alternative to turning your body into a flesh-crucible. When working on human 2.0, we might want to consider looking at demonic species and seeing the various things they do better.
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- Singapore
Wait. fifteen month?
TenfoldShields
Lounging on a Hoard of Words
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- He/Him
look man, i learned from watching you
and what you taught me is that every good demon needs a pun at their core
now take your goddamn cookie
- Location
- Spain
Exalts have longer pregnancies, for some reason.
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- Singapore
.....that is not fun.
It was originally introduced as a Dragonblooded thing - presumably, the logic there is "the child experiences every season while they are in the womb", which makes sense with their elemental link.
Then I believe it just got standardised.
Dynamesmouse
Bzzzzzz
I always wondered where the five trimesters came from.
Morphic Tide
Crazy Brainstormer, Munchkin and Wannabe Min-Maxer
- Location
- MI, USA
...[Cackling internally because at school]
At any rate, there's a bit of lore that says the Celestial Exalted were made by infusing Alchemicals in a specific way. Technically speaking, Alchemicals could be converted into the Exalt type associated with their Caste, provided one knew how. Personally, this fact makes me think that the lack of First Age created Exalts was due to a lack of Alchemical creation availability. A First Age Solar could easily afford the materials to make an Alchemical, would have more than enough power available to jump start the process, and the UC would probably not object to making more Solars without needing him to toss a pile of power in.
The end result would likely be a lesser form of Solar, or one that takes time to get to full Solar status.
I think you may be misremembering the Lore. IIRC, the Celestial tier Exaltations were/are originally "blanks" given to the Incarnae by Autochthon and then modified to their liking. Alchemicals as we know them did not exist until after he fled Creation post-Primordial War.
- Location
- Brittany, France
- Pronouns
- He/Him
urgh 2e exaltation design lore, go and stay go
Walker of the Yellow Path
Ho There!
- Location
- The Land of Memes
Actually, Alchemicals did exist pre war. IIRC Autobot made the first Alchemicals as prototype Exalts as proof of concept to show the Incarnae