Game of the Year: A Naruto Quest

[Pittauro]

and how could he hold his sister's baby when his hands are stained with the blood of a child?

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this point won't work that much i think. he's probably planning to commit suicide/seppuku to regain his honor.

If we had better social i'd be ok with trying actually, but as we are right now...



[] You must protect your mom, everything Gai-sensei has taught you has been for a moment like this. You can't beat Tokei, but you can buy time for surrounding ninja to help. Lure him outside, where there is more space, and try to be loud and boisterous to attract surrounding ninja. Engage in evasive maneuvers.

i find the "engage in evasive maneuvers ridiculous. It's not like we have ninja acrobatic skills yey, what kind of maneuver would those be? Do you want to try DODGING all his sword strikes? That's crazy!

Choose one of the plans that have our character ambush him with his sword if you really want to stay and buy time. It has a much better chance to work. or go for the various "run screaming" options. it makes more sense in my opinion

 

[Pandemonious Ivy]

He's actively trying to kill us, and has escalated to that decision entirely of his own accord. What on earth makes you think that he would listen to us, or that we would have any hope of resolving things peacefully? What do you accept our precociousness to achieve, and what kind of concessions do you possibly think we could acquire?

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5 minutes ago, page 84

[X] Tokei is beyond you. He's a fully trained samurai and you're fucking five! You need to run! You need to run right now and call for help!

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22 minutes ago, page 83

Hmm. I genuinely don't believe the way forward here is only to be found in fighting or running. We're a child but we're precocious. We can get a small concession out of him, I bet. Maybe it can turn the tide.

Even if it can't, we can't be afraid of failure in a quest that explicitly has "you're going to die a few times" as part of the premise. The least we can do is try to prepare with additional information for the next session. Because information > physical stats. We only carry one into the next 'life'.

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2.5~ hours ago, page 81

@Vesvius you fucking madman

*cackles*

[X] Write-In: Play the Game, Not the Player

Spoiler: Plan

[X] You're a small exhausted child up against an experienced killer who doesn't even like you. Welp, time to cheat and blatantly metagame.

-[X] Ask for him to have the common decency to at least lock your mother up, unharmed, in a different room so she doesn't have to watch her son get murdered. You have no intention on running, you're too tired, so you might as well have a seat while you wait for him to return.

-[X] Use the time to figure out an approach to let you fulfill the Unsheathing the Blade and He Who Watches Achievements. Hopefully he'll be willing to grant a cooperative child's dying wish to learn a few things that always eluded his grasp.

Muahahahaaha

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4~ hours ago, page 80

So let me see. You posted your vote on page 83, went back to quote me from page 81 out of confusion, not rudeness, but didn't notice my vote on page 80?

 

[Maximus]

[x] You're the one he wants! Draw Tokei upstairs! There has to be something you can use to defeat him there!
-[x] if possible grab one of the knifes hidden around the house, try to hide it from Tokei till the chance to use it arrives.

 

[andy50]

this point won't work that much i think. he's probably planning to commit suicide/seppuku to regain his honor.

If we had better social i'd be ok with trying actually, but as we are right now...



[] You must protect your mom, everything Gai-sensei has taught you has been for a moment like this. You can't beat Tokei, but you can buy time for surrounding ninja to help. Lure him outside, where there is more space, and try to be loud and boisterous to attract surrounding ninja. Engage in evasive maneuvers.

i find the "engage in evasive maneuvers ridiculous. It's not like we have ninja acrobatic skills yey, what kind of maneuver would those be? Do you want to try DODGING all his sword strikes? That's crazy!

Choose one of the plans that have our character ambush him with his sword if you really want to stay and buy time. It has a much better chance to work. or go for the various "run screaming" options. it makes more sense in my opinion

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When i wrote that, what I meant was. Stay the fuck away from him, and dodge until a ninja arrives. I did this on the premise that it is unlikely we will out run him.

 

[Nightgaunt]

Maybe Vesuvius was hinting at something in our fight with Gai?

So when the blow comes for you again you twist, spinning your body under the strike and coming up on the other side of the arm. Your arm snatches out like a cobra striking, catching the massive forearm of the phantom mentor and pinning it between your arm and your body. The shadow freezes as if caught by surprise and you waste no time in following up. You spin more, extending the arm, and slam down with your free arm in an angry elbow strike.

The point of your elbow crashes home in the joint of theirs. The arm collapses on reflex, dragging you closer to your opponent. Now you lash out, punching the shadow right in the face!

The sweet feeling of success pulses in your veins. You did it! You landed a blow! You-

Go sprawling as the shadow mentor's foot catches you in the side in a push kick, scraping you off their arm like you were gum on the bottom of their shoe.

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Is this too convoluted?

[] You'll use the moves you learned from Gai to defeat him!
-[] Grab Tokei's sword and run outside
-[] Hide beside the door and stab at Tokei when he runs past trying to severely injure him
-[] Scream for help and prepare to grab his arm as he stabs at you like you did with Gai
-[] Gouge his eye(s) instead of punching him in the face
-[] Try to get the sword or knife to finish him off & keep screaming

 

[Captain Hunt]

[X] You must protect your mom, everything Gai-sensei has taught you has been for a moment like this. You can't beat Tokei, but you can buy time for surrounding ninja to help. Lure him outside, where there is more space, and try to be loud and boisterous to attract surrounding ninja. Engage in evasive maneuvers.
-[X] Grab his sword on your way out.
-[X] Fight Dirty
-[X] If the opportunity presents itself, all you need is one clean shot to kill him.
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[Ptolemy]

5 minutes ago, page 84



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4~ hours ago, page 80

So let me see. You posted your vote on page 83, went back to quote me from page 81 out of confusion, not rudeness, but didn't notice my vote on page 80?

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Yeah, I didn't see your vote, and I'm sorry if that meant I didn't properly understand you, although I do still think your suggestion is rather flawed. The fact that my vote appeared on page 83, and my comment on page 84, doesn't necessarily mean that I'd read up to that point. I could be looking on page 1, and if I commented or replied to someone else then my own comment would still appear right at the bottom of the thread.

In any case, your proposed vote seems to assume that Tokei would indulge us, when he has no reason to. Why would be actively leave the room, and potentially allow us to escape? He would have no reason to trust that we wouldn't run as soon as his back was turned. Even if he was willing to be so considerate to our mother, why wouldn't he simply knock her out without leaving the room? And why on earth would he answer those questions rather than simply slitting our throat at the first opportunity, given that he utterly despises us?

If the fact that we were a precocious child was going to make him at all merciful then he wouldn't currently be trying to kill us. If we'd been close to him, and his decision was a hard one that he came to reluctantly, then we might have a chance. As it is, he despises us and seems glad to have an excuse to finally get rid of us.

 

[Edkose]

Combat may not be initiated inside of an Oasis. [...] You may not enter an Oasis if you are already engaged in combat. This Oasis has been marked on your map!"

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How far away is the closest oasis and does a chase count as initiated combat?

 

[Vesvius]

How far away is the closest oasis and does a chase count as initiated combat?

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As far as you know that would be the park, and that's a good ten minute run. And yes, being chased counts as combat.

 

[Pandemonious Ivy]

Yeah, I didn't see your vote, and I'm sorry if that meant I didn't properly understand you, although I do still think your suggestion is rather flawed. The fact that my vote appeared on page 83, and my comment on page 84, doesn't necessarily mean that I'd read up to that point. I could be looking on page 1, and if I commented or replied to someone else then my own comment would still appear right at the bottom of the thread.

In any case, your proposed vote seems to assume that Tokei would indulge us, when he has no reason to. Why would be actively leave the room, and potentially allow us to escape? He would have no reason to trust that we wouldn't run as soon as his back was turned. Even if he was willing to be so considerate to our mother, why wouldn't he simply knock her out without leaving the room? And why on earth would he answer those questions rather than simply slitting our throat at the first opportunity, given that he utterly despises us?

If the fact that we were a precocious child was going to make him at all merciful then he wouldn't currently be trying to kill us. If we'd been close to him, and his decision was a hard one that he came to reluctantly, then we might have a chance. As it is, he despises us and seems glad to have an excuse to finally get rid of us.

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You're reading more viciousness into his actions than are supported by the text, his own words, or the meta-data we have on him.

Everything says that if we're reasonable, he'll at least hear us out. I'm proposing to be reasonable and see what happens.

 

[Ambit]

[X] You must protect your mom, everything Gai-sensei has taught you has been for a moment like this. You can't beat Tokei, but you can buy time for surrounding ninja to help. Lure him outside, where there is more space, and try to be loud and boisterous to attract surrounding ninja. Engage in evasive maneuvers.
-[X] Grab his sword on your way out.
-[X] Fight Dirty
-[X] If the opportunity presents itself, all you need is one clean shot to kill him.

 

[chryssalideater]

@Khaine, @Hellhound, @Iandude0, @Astaroh-M, @Shapeless Phobos, @Emerald Oracle, @spudman

Hey that sword backflip idea has proven to be impossible due to the layout of the house. Probably worth changing your vote.

 

[Nightgaunt]

You're reading more viciousness into his actions than are supported by the text, his own words, or the meta-data we have on him.

Everything says that if we're reasonable, he'll at least hear us out. I'm proposing to be reasonable and see what happens.

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He has decided to murder a 5 year old in front of their mother and then probably commit seppuku.

Why would he be interested in explaining anything at this point? He's decided to take drastic action and completely go past the point of no return. He can't stop and deviate from the path he chose as he won't be accepted by his lord or us any longer. He has to go through with this plan, and if he hesitates he risks losing his honor for nothing.

He's not going to stop and talk to us.

 

[Pandemonious Ivy]

You know what, I'm going to start with quotes, and then fill in the blanks, so that everything I say has something you can reference.

Satomura Manami (Mother): Loving Devotion
Tokei: Grim Resolve

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And that… that is something that I cannot allow."

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A pained look crosses Tokei's face.

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He is nothing but the bastard stain on my lord's honor that comes from taking a whore as a concubine!"

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But it is one that must be done to save my lord.

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Imagawa-sama would grieve should anything happen to his Lily of the Mountain.

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He is utterly and completely devoted to his lord. Everything he's doing now is to save him from the possibility (in his eyes, a likelihood) of ninjas finally gaining a foothold within the samurai lands. That foothold would obviously come with his lord's blood being spilt as a simple statement of fact.

He's not pleased with what he's doing. He's not doing it gleefully. He's not happy to kill a child. It doesn't matter how he feels about us, he doesn't feel strongly enough to be excited to murder us.

If we appeal to the parts of him that 1. Doesn't want to do this and 2. Is completely loyal to his lord then that is my response to the "why would he-" questions I'm getting. That's why he would.

Because a grown man with a sense of honor doesn't want to murder a child, even though he still will do it. So anything that will help make that easier he's likely to latch onto eagerly. Even if that's just the child not making things into a bigger struggle than it has to be.

Who knows, maybe he breaks down crying or some shit, at the child who chose to die in order to learn more about him/save his own mom. He'll respect that, if nothing else.

Vote [] Write-In: Play the Game, Not the Player, thank you. *dual peace signs*

(If your rebuttal can contain quotes from the update, I would love if you could include them. That way we can double check to make sure we're all on the same page and using the same baseline for discussion.)

 

[RedV]

Here's the thing - maybe a seasoned killer who just decided he will kill you for the Greater Good won't betray his loyalty to his lord and will take the chance to kill us when we give him a chance to do it?

I mean, lol. He doesn't like us, so we can't use our relationship as leverage. Daisuke has no social skills worth talking about, so we can't even be confident about persuading him to even let us talk.

Compared to running away, it is hilariously risky and has no real reward?

 

[Pandemonious Ivy]

Here's the thing - maybe a seasoned killer who just decided he will kill you for the Greater Good won't betray his loyalty to his lord and will take the chance to kill us when we give him a chance to do it?

I mean, lol. He doesn't like us, so we ca't use our relationship as leverage. Daisuke has no social skills worth talking about, so we can't even be confident about persuading him. Compared to running away, it is hilariously risky and has no real reward?

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who is talking about betraying his loyalty to his lord?????

Where did that come from and can you quote it?

 

[Japanime]

[X] You must protect your mom, everything Gai-sensei has taught you has been for a moment like this. You can't beat Tokei, but you can buy time for surrounding ninja to help. Lure him outside, where there is more space, and try to be loud and boisterous to attract surrounding ninja. Engage in evasive maneuvers.
-[X] Grab his sword on your way out.
-[X] Fight Dirty
-[X] If the opportunity presents itself, all you need is one clean shot to kill him.

 

[RedV]

who is talking about betraying his loyalty to his lord?????

Where did that come from and can you quote it?

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He is killing us because he doesn't want us to be used against his lord ; you've said it yourself.

Any argument we make can be countered by : you will be used to harm Lord Imagawa, I can't allow that as I've sworn to follow him as a samurai. We can't tell him to wait for Imagawa to come because Imagawa is a country away and Tokei wants to kill us before Gai can deliver the application. Any time we waste allows for ninja intervention or other factors which may destroy his plan and lead to us taken away from his reach, which is worst case for him.

Plus, he called our mom a whore. I am not going to bother treating with him or showing him any respect after that.

 

[Pandemonious Ivy]

He is killing us because he doesn't want us to be used against his lord ; you've said it yourself.

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So no, you can't quote it. Because it's a fictional thing you created and are arguing against.

My plan assumes that the end result, worst and most likely case, is that we die. But we unlock at least one Achievement (and the reward from it, wait-)

has no real reward?

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Here you go:

Tangible Rewards -

He Who Watches
He's a silent presence and has been since the day you were born. But what do you really know about the man who lives in your house and stares at your mother with dead eyes?
Unlock Condition: ???
Reward: ???
Status: LOCKED

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Unsheathing the Blade
People can do crazy things for love. Things that drive you from your home, things that push you to a strange new place, things that fall on the head of your children. But on your deathbed, you will be asked 'was it worth it?'. And the answer will always be yes.
Unlock Condition: Discover the truth of your parentage in the 'Iron Bastard' Origin
Reward: ???
Status: LOCKED

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Intangible Rewards -

Because information > physical stats. We only carry one into the next 'life'.

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So... if we run and get stabbed in the back of the head and get absolutely no information, then it looks like the children's stats we have couldn't outmatch the trained killer, regardless.

Also, death isn't a failure state.

 

[Expecting Me]

So no, you can't quote it. Because it's a fictional thing you created and are arguing against.

My plan assumes that the end result, worst and most likely case, is that we die. But we unlock at least one Achievement (and the reward from it, wait-)

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Here are the relevant quotes...

Tokei continues. "And now you've signed that whoreson into service with the shinobi of Konoha! You know what this means, correct? Now whenever the Daimyo of Fire desires to expand his reach, he will have a ready made puppet already pledged to him! And that… that is something that I cannot allow."

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Tokei shakes his head. "This must be done now, Manami. Daisuke cannot be a shinobi of Konoha when the blade falls. If that were to happen, war would erupt between Iron and Fire. For the sake of long term peace and prosperity, the deed must be done before that form is registered."

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[Pandemonious Ivy]

Here are the relevant quotes...

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Not Tokei speaking about turning against his lord, a voter trying to do so. Him mentioning it is irrelevant if nobody here is aiming for it as a plausible goal.

Nothing that I've said has been about turning him against his lord, as you can tell:

Because a grown man with a sense of honor doesn't want to murder a child, even though he still will do it.

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Acknowledging that he would appreciate the situation being less gruesome is not the same as saying to make an attempt to subvert him with our superior toddler social skills.

 

[RedV]

So no, you can't quote it. Because it's a fictional thing you created and are arguing against.

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I can indeed quote it.

Tokei continues. "And now you've signed that whoreson into service with the shinobi of Konoha! You know what this means, correct? Now whenever the Daimyo of Fire desires to expand his reach, he will have a ready made puppet already pledged to him! And that… that is something that I cannot allow."

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Tokei shakes his head. "This must be done now, Manami. Daisuke cannot be a shinobi of Konoha when the blade falls. If that were to happen, war would erupt between Iron and Fire. For the sake of long term peace and prosperity, the deed must be done before that form is registered."

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A pained look crosses Tokei's face. "Indeed. This is a most dishonorable action. But it is one that must be done to save my lord. After it is done, I will atone. But that does not change the fact: it must. Be. Done."

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In fact, you already knew this, yet you wasted my time getting me to quote all this. Proof ?

He is utterly and completely devoted to his lord. Everything he's doing now is to save him from the possibility (in his eyes, a likelihood) of ninjas finally gaining a foothold within the samurai lands. That foothold would obviously come with his lord's blood being spilt as a simple statement of fact.

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You already, in your initial post, stated that you knew that Land of Fire expansion would likely result in harm to our dad, and that this result was what Tokei wanted to stop by killing us. Yet you made me do the superfluous actio of quoting it.

Please don't think that you can debate on cheap gotchas like this.

 

[RedV]

Not Tokei speaking about turning against his lord, a voter trying to do so. Him mentioning it is irrelevant if nobody here is aiming for it as a plausible goal.

Nothing that I've said has been about turning him against his lord, as you can tell:



Acknowledging that he would appreciate the situation being less gruesome is not the same as saying to make an attempt to subvert him with our superior toddler social skills.

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If Tokei lets us live, we have already been signed up into the shinobi program so the damage is done. Us being a shinobi will harm his lord. Therefore, letting us live is a betrayal of his lord since he is letting a threat to him go.

 

[Pandemonious Ivy]

Is this happening?

Here's the thing - maybe a seasoned killer who just decided he will kill you for the Greater Good won't betray his loyalty to his lord and will take the chance to kill us when we give him a chance to do it?

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This is what you said in response to my commentary. Nothing in my commentary related to pushing Tokei to betray his lord, since I already quoted text indicating that he wouldn't.

So what exactly are you trying to imply by saying that "maybe he won't betray his loyalty to his lord" when literally nobody was saying that he would?

Please don't think that you can debate on cheap gotchas like this.

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I promise, I feel exactly the same

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If Tokei lets us live

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What even is this conversation anymore

My plan assumes that the end result, worst and most likely case, is that we die.

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Also, death isn't a failure state.

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[RedV]

This is what you said in response to my commentary. Nothing in my commentary related to pushing Tokei to betray his lord, since I already quoted text indicating that he wouldn't.

So what exactly are you trying to imply by saying that "maybe he won't betray his loyalty to his lord" when literally nobody was saying that he would?

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You want us to live, right?

For Tokei to let us live means that he is allowing the Daimyo of Fire a way to harm his lord.

Since we are about to be registered as a shinobi which will allow Fire to use us, he has only one way of removing the threat : killing us.

Letting us live implies he is letting a threat to his lord get away. Hence, it violates his loyalty and constitutes a betrayal.

What even is this conversation anymore

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I see. You want us to die so we can learn more about Tokei and potentially get his achievements in a new playthrough?

I can't really say much to refute you if you want to die, other than that the save / reload mechanic most likely won't be kind due to the difficulty, if it even exists at all.

I'd rather not die, and am anyway not interested in Tokei's achievements after he called Daisuke's mother a whore.