Game of the Year: A Naruto Quest
- Thread starter Vesvius
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- Ireland
This is by far the most dangerous answer, it makes us look fucking schizo. I bet if we answer that there will be flags raised about our mental health.
[x] Lie about what you saw. You won't tell anyone what you really saw, but you need to say something.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I'm confused as to why Daisuke aware of the gamer stuff doesn't realise that D rank missions for instance will be bullshit drudge work. Is he suppose to be aware of the gamer interface or not? :\
- Location
- Russia
[X] Answer truthfully. You'll tell everyone what you saw.
-[X] You were told by someone whose approval you once looked for that you make everything actively worse just by existing.
-[X] You were told by someone whose approval you once looked for that you make everything actively worse just by existing.
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
His past life memories are rather erratic and vague at the best of times, plus just because we know what the Main Menu & etc say doesn't mean in-universe it has reached that point for him. In addition, it is possible he hasn't actually poked around to see all his Achievements, otherwise there should of been a throwaway line with him wondering what the heck the Memories of X Achievements are about.
- Location
- Maine
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Theirs
Presumably, we tell them the whole thing, just focusing on different stuff. For instance "The closest thing I have to a father told me that he should have killed me when he had the chance because I've ruined everyone's chances of being happy. And then he tried to make good on the threat. But what if he was right? What if I have ruined Ino's team dynamic? What if I'm fucking up your family?"
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
If he has access to the UI system at all to check achievements and other such things I literally cannot believe he wouldn't have looked. It's trivial to do so, it informs him of things he could gain or things that can be done with little effort for random grab bag of goodies. At the least he knows about his training dummies coming for in game achievements. He gets quest alert pop ups.
How can he be ignorant of basic things when he has UI elements that should be spoiling them. The D rank thing makes no sense unless he's the most disinterested person ever and we know he's not.
- Location
- The dark pit of darkness
Entry Level
Every shinobi has to start somewhere. You didn't think that somewhere would involve picking up all the piles in the dog park, but maybe you should have.
I think he's talking about this achievements wording.
- Location
- Australia
[X] You refuse to answer. Some things must stay private.
Day one and she's already traumatizing and manipulating, I mean fucking seriously. Make the team work by hurting all the members, is not a good plan. Having the team train and do missions together would boost chemistry, add in a few tough situations and we would learn to lean on each other. I understand that experiencing a difficult situation together will let you become closer, but this just feels like you've punched three kids in the face and just expected that shared experience of being beat up make you great friends.
You're meant to have time developing a relationship. All their loves, hates and fear will come about naturally (preferably by their choice). This act really just makes me just resent this kurenai and makes me question how she was given control of a bunch of 13 year olds.
There's no way I could compare this method to the bell test. A simple teamwork exercise that teaches you need to work together selflessly for a greater goal. It doesn't matter what you're personal opinions are, as long as you can focus on the goal, you can become a shinobi. Teams will disband and die but as long as you can focus on the mission you're good.
Shinobi should and have been allowed to keep secrets and feelings to themselves. It took a kidnapping and a death for kakashi to open up, at which point he would of only had minato and gai. Itachi would have only had shisui, but besides him he would have kept to himself. These relationships don't come about because mom ordered us to be friends, they came about naturally because they were people they got along with and had seen that they could trust and confide in each other. We 'know' our teammates on a very basic level, you can't just expect us to spill our guts and now everyone is the bestest of buddies.
I honestly felt like this test went too far. As far as I see it the academy exam was meant to test whether you have the sufficient basic individual skills to be a shinobi (keep in mind a class of people that only know the basic three is expected and quite common for many years). Whereas the genin exam is meant to test whether you can work as part of a team for a greater goal. Not just this specific team but any teams you join in the future. The specific focus on making us have a heavy emotional attachment to this team just makes me feel like I'm being manipulated and that burns a raging hatred in me.
Day one and she's already traumatizing and manipulating, I mean fucking seriously. Make the team work by hurting all the members, is not a good plan. Having the team train and do missions together would boost chemistry, add in a few tough situations and we would learn to lean on each other. I understand that experiencing a difficult situation together will let you become closer, but this just feels like you've punched three kids in the face and just expected that shared experience of being beat up make you great friends.
You're meant to have time developing a relationship. All their loves, hates and fear will come about naturally (preferably by their choice). This act really just makes me just resent this kurenai and makes me question how she was given control of a bunch of 13 year olds.
There's no way I could compare this method to the bell test. A simple teamwork exercise that teaches you need to work together selflessly for a greater goal. It doesn't matter what you're personal opinions are, as long as you can focus on the goal, you can become a shinobi. Teams will disband and die but as long as you can focus on the mission you're good.
Shinobi should and have been allowed to keep secrets and feelings to themselves. It took a kidnapping and a death for kakashi to open up, at which point he would of only had minato and gai. Itachi would have only had shisui, but besides him he would have kept to himself. These relationships don't come about because mom ordered us to be friends, they came about naturally because they were people they got along with and had seen that they could trust and confide in each other. We 'know' our teammates on a very basic level, you can't just expect us to spill our guts and now everyone is the bestest of buddies.
I honestly felt like this test went too far. As far as I see it the academy exam was meant to test whether you have the sufficient basic individual skills to be a shinobi (keep in mind a class of people that only know the basic three is expected and quite common for many years). Whereas the genin exam is meant to test whether you can work as part of a team for a greater goal. Not just this specific team but any teams you join in the future. The specific focus on making us have a heavy emotional attachment to this team just makes me feel like I'm being manipulated and that burns a raging hatred in me.
- Location
- The dark pit of darkness
We are honest to God child soldiers, I think trauma comes with the territory
Knight-Radiant
Recovering Rageaholic
It's admitting that someone who knew us for our entire life, and who had a greater knowledge of how our birth messed things up in Iron, told us we are essentially a parasite who survives by dragging down everyone around us. Who went on to give examples that we can't really deny.
- Tokei, Loyal Samurai who wanted to serve his lord with honor. Died disgraced in a foreign land while trying to murder an innocent child.
- Manami, got beaten and broken trying to defend us then cut off entirely from her lover following Tokei's death.
- Ino and Mariko's feud.
That these observations were made by a person we killed, an event that Daisuke very much regretted in canonized omakes, only adds to the guilt and fear.
(Not even considering the other butterflies we may have caused, which Daisuke doesn't consciously remember IIRC but clearly the fear is there in the back of his head.)
It's a rational fear that he has, and will continue, made bad choices that hurt others more than himself. And it's one I find more interesting than the Existential crisis of #3 or the Childhood terror of betrayal from #1.
Daisuke is entering the world of Ninjas for real now where choices he makes will have big consequences, having his greatest fear being that his choices have evolved from merely being pointless to being actively harmful makes sense to me in that context .
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[X] Answer truthfully. You'll tell everyone what you saw.
-[X] You were in a world where nothing around you was real. A world where maybe you aren't even real.
-[X] You were in a world where nothing around you was real. A world where maybe you aren't even real.
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
Mean, it is entirely possible in-universe that Achievement hasn't actually shown up for Daisuke yet, especially since he isn't officially a Ninja until he pasts Kunerai's test. Since again, seems really weird Daisuke hasn't had a throwaway line about the Memories of X Achievements.
Plus, many of those Achievements require serious work to do. The Motives would be easy enough, yet 13 years and he only snagged Picky Eater... which wouldn't have required going out of his way to get anyways.
There's also the fact he has no idea what the Achievements unlock, with several having given him currently-useless things or outright "Doing X was your reward!" So it makes more sense for him to pursue actions that undeniably strengthen him, such as his Attributes/Skills/Techniques and the Training Dummy achievements.
Plus, many of those Achievements require serious work to do. The Motives would be easy enough, yet 13 years and he only snagged Picky Eater... which wouldn't have required going out of his way to get anyways.
There's also the fact he has no idea what the Achievements unlock, with several having given him currently-useless things or outright "Doing X was your reward!" So it makes more sense for him to pursue actions that undeniably strengthen him, such as his Attributes/Skills/Techniques and the Training Dummy achievements.
- Location
- Australia
Soldiers are traumatized from being soldiers, not from training to be a soldier. Training should only ever teach you how to deal with trauma, trainers should not be manipulating it to manipulate you. It would be different if she used it to allow us to overcome it, but that not how it reads. She just wanted us to see our problems and talk with our team about it.
- Location
- somewhere over there.
- Pronouns
- They/It
[X] Answer truthfully. You'll tell everyone what you saw.
-[X] You were in a world where nothing around you was real. A world where maybe you aren't even real.
Far more interesting as a fear. Being afraid of dying/being traumatized by Tokei is just...uninteresting. Being incredibly self conscious and anxious about making things worse for everyone? That sounds very close to the sort of mentality some people have when suicidal - "everything would be better if I weren't around; everyone would be happier if I didn't exist", which is something I'm even less interested in reading about. Questioning reality, though? Especially when we have good reason to, and as working on genjutsu? That sounds like a very interesting choice.
-[X] You were in a world where nothing around you was real. A world where maybe you aren't even real.
Far more interesting as a fear. Being afraid of dying/being traumatized by Tokei is just...uninteresting. Being incredibly self conscious and anxious about making things worse for everyone? That sounds very close to the sort of mentality some people have when suicidal - "everything would be better if I weren't around; everyone would be happier if I didn't exist", which is something I'm even less interested in reading about. Questioning reality, though? Especially when we have good reason to, and as working on genjutsu? That sounds like a very interesting choice.
It could also be a generic fear of being violently murdered, and Tokei was the face it wore because no one else has ever tried to murder us.
Why? It's entirely reasonable, especially in a world that has genjutsu. Remember, we're voting for our greatest fear, which for some people might be spiders, or heights. Being afraid of something more philosophical doesn't make you insane. If anything, it makes our own skill in the field look like we're trying to overcome our fear in a constructive way, by getting better at understanding illusions and how to influence the mind.
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- The dark pit of darkness
I read it more as her seeing if we'd break form being confronted by our worst fear.
Knight-Radiant
Recovering Rageaholic
I will say this. I really liked this Genin test, a legit way to stress test your cadets in a way that won't get others killed out in the field.
The share your fear thing was even foreshadowed well. She asked everyone to share something with the team of own their choice before, and everyone picked something trivial or tried to show off showing the lack of trust. Now we have to share something meaningful or fail. Have to open up to your team and trust them with something that can harm us.
Which to be fair, is important, if you can't trust your allies with your fears they can't cover for you when they pop up. Also, if you aren't willing to trust your team why would "Teamwork makes the Dream work" posterboy Konoha send you out into battle?
It's more extreme then the bell test, but far more effective imo. It lets all three genin know what will trip the others up, but also that they are tough enough to confront it, and that they trust you enough to know what freaks them out. Builds trust, and respect. Solid teambuilding exercise.
The share your fear thing was even foreshadowed well. She asked everyone to share something with the team of own their choice before, and everyone picked something trivial or tried to show off showing the lack of trust. Now we have to share something meaningful or fail. Have to open up to your team and trust them with something that can harm us.
Which to be fair, is important, if you can't trust your allies with your fears they can't cover for you when they pop up. Also, if you aren't willing to trust your team why would "Teamwork makes the Dream work" posterboy Konoha send you out into battle?
It's more extreme then the bell test, but far more effective imo. It lets all three genin know what will trip the others up, but also that they are tough enough to confront it, and that they trust you enough to know what freaks them out. Builds trust, and respect. Solid teambuilding exercise.
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- The dark pit of darkness
Yeah but simply the fact he knew about picky eater and how to get it kinda runs half your point.
[X] Answer truthfully. You'll tell everyone what you saw.
-[X] You were attacked by your childhood protector who tried to kill you before you entered the Academy, and this time he was going to finish the job.
-[X] You were attacked by your childhood protector who tried to kill you before you entered the Academy, and this time he was going to finish the job.
enigma1995
Gentleman Beholder
[X] Answer truthfully. You'll tell everyone what you saw.
-[X] You were attacked by your childhood protector who tried to kill you before you entered the Academy, and this time he was going to finish the job.
-[X] You were attacked by your childhood protector who tried to kill you before you entered the Academy, and this time he was going to finish the job.
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- Australia
Yes, I should have said if overcoming it was her only objective I would have understood to a certain extent. But the fact the she manipulates our fears in order to make us good friends, rubs me the wrong way.
Plus the idea of making kids face their greatest fear I quite dislike. IF you can overcome it, that's quite good for you. However if you don't (You don't have the will, the fear is something you've repressed for years) you've just forced someone who'll probably decide to be civie to undergo a possibly traumatic event. Something they wake in a cold sweat from. Obviously we only have daisuke to go off, but you have to remember these are 12 & 13 year old kids. Ignore the ninja part because most have not witnessed war, murder or anything really dark.
If this test happens frequently, I can't see that being the best course. Being too weak to be a shinobi is a shit excuse for experiencing your greatest fear made manifest. I mean people are scared just thinking about hypothetical, they're fucked if they become real.
This sets our Greatest Fear. Its not LITERALLY our worst fear being the specific scene, its that our worst fear is INVOKED by the scene
-[] You were attacked by your childhood protector who tried to kill you before you entered the Academy, and this time he was going to finish the job.
This is not the fear of death or undead Tokei. This is fear of betrayal.
Someone you trusted turning against you.
This makes sense because Daisuke's defining childhood moment was when someone he trusted tried to kill him and was killed in turn.
This rings true to his team because fuck, as much as he dislikes them he put his greatest fear on the line.
Narratively, this means if/when Sasuke goes renegade, Kabuto strikes, or the like, it'd hit us way harder.
-[] You were told by someone whose approval you once looked for that you make everything actively worse just by existing.
This is fear of failure. Daisuke works murderously hard to try to better the lives of those around him, because he knows his mother was exiled by dint of his being born alone.
This makes sense because by being born he made the life of the person he loves most, worse. By his meta-knowledge hints, he knows that the canon teams worked and that his changes might make them stop working.
This rings true to to his teacher because she has access to the surveillance records. She knows he works like a man possessed, he runs around doing chores, he takes time out of his training regiment to...make tea for people, help out at the Inuzuka kennels, trains his friends, encourages them to excel and basically spends all his time doing things for other people when he's not training.
Narratively this would hit hard whenever a canon butterfly leads to death and loss. Would Team 7 without Sakura get Tsunade back to the village to avert horrific losses? Would Ino-Shika-Cho fall apart?
-[] You were in a world where nothing around you was real. A world where maybe you aren't even real.
This is existential crisis. A little meta, but it makes sense because of the Gamer system. He always suspects a little. He'd always be wondering if he's still in a genjutsu.
This...well its an existential crisis. Theres not really a lot that teacher or team can do about it except to...not a whole lot, he's afraid that they might not exist.
Narratively, this is going to HURT when the Sharingans plots kick off.
-[] You were attacked by your childhood protector who tried to kill you before you entered the Academy, and this time he was going to finish the job.
This is not the fear of death or undead Tokei. This is fear of betrayal.
Someone you trusted turning against you.
This makes sense because Daisuke's defining childhood moment was when someone he trusted tried to kill him and was killed in turn.
This rings true to his team because fuck, as much as he dislikes them he put his greatest fear on the line.
Narratively, this means if/when Sasuke goes renegade, Kabuto strikes, or the like, it'd hit us way harder.
-[] You were told by someone whose approval you once looked for that you make everything actively worse just by existing.
This is fear of failure. Daisuke works murderously hard to try to better the lives of those around him, because he knows his mother was exiled by dint of his being born alone.
This makes sense because by being born he made the life of the person he loves most, worse. By his meta-knowledge hints, he knows that the canon teams worked and that his changes might make them stop working.
This rings true to to his teacher because she has access to the surveillance records. She knows he works like a man possessed, he runs around doing chores, he takes time out of his training regiment to...make tea for people, help out at the Inuzuka kennels, trains his friends, encourages them to excel and basically spends all his time doing things for other people when he's not training.
Narratively this would hit hard whenever a canon butterfly leads to death and loss. Would Team 7 without Sakura get Tsunade back to the village to avert horrific losses? Would Ino-Shika-Cho fall apart?
-[] You were in a world where nothing around you was real. A world where maybe you aren't even real.
This is existential crisis. A little meta, but it makes sense because of the Gamer system. He always suspects a little. He'd always be wondering if he's still in a genjutsu.
This...well its an existential crisis. Theres not really a lot that teacher or team can do about it except to...not a whole lot, he's afraid that they might not exist.
Narratively, this is going to HURT when the Sharingans plots kick off.
- Location
- The dark pit of darkness
I'll say it again, we are in a magical army. I don't think it's a bad idea to see if you'll break before she takes us out on a real mission where breaking could get our friends killed.
Daisuke Doesn't Know by Katsuragi
