UnwelcomeStorm
BARK! BARK! BARK!
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To be fair to the rest of the PRT, I think it was also stated that BB was very much out of the ordinary in terms of handling its Wards and combat.
Constellations (Worm/Okami)
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I'd point out that, on looking at the chapter again, I was wrong, and Hunter 1 was right. Because while your idea could work, it's explicitly noted in the text:
You can't say that the Author didn't know enough about the subject when the point is brought up in the story itself as a huge negative.
You're right, I mispoke. It's not that systems can't work. It's that they can't work for the betterment of the people in the system. You mention China, but that only works because they have a slave system where if you're a cape you're broken and forced into their mold.
And while the PRT has worked in the past, that's background information, and it's not really shown how it does that. In the story? It fucks up constantly, gets co-opted by a villain(Coil), gets outplayed constantly by a teenage villain(Taylor), plus we find out that it's controlled tightly by Cauldron for some time. Plus it massively screws up regarding all of the Wards, and most of the other capes as well. Clockblocker, Kid Win, Vista, Armsmaster, Shadow Stalker, just about any Case 53, etc. It's not that systems can't survive. It's that they can't do good.
Except the same thing seems to happen with Chicago and Las Vegas. Plus, even with things being out of the ordinary, a significant part of the strain was the Endbringers, which attack cities, and wards don't seem to be really exempt from those.
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- Ohio
What are enablers?
The unfortunate thing with Emma is that her father loves her too much and sees her as nothing less than an "angel". This love makes Alan Barnes blind to his daughter's actions and causes him to protect her and give in to her wishes when he really shouldn't.
Aside from Danny already being very dense already, this is Worm. Earth Bet could not be in its current state without adults being inept morons. The US government's response to Rouges was to shut them down and limit the amount of money they could make within a certain amount of time. Part of the reason the Hero-to-Villain Ratio is so skewed is because the law passed against Rouges caused the Elite to be founded and for would-be Rouges to turn to villainy because it's more profitable than starting an honest business.
Also, as a frequent watcher of anime, I had no idea that it was common courtesy to refer to a miko as Miko, even if you know that person's name.
Having a PRT director that hates Parahumans would do that. I'd be willing to bet that half of the reason Piggot hasn't gotten any Protectorate Capes is because they can see her stance a mile away (Thinkers especially) or can't deal with her attitude. Parahumans have messed up psyches almost by definition. Of course they wouldn't want to work with someone that shows no signs of caring about them as people!
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- Somewhere!
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- She/Her
What are enablers?
The unfortunate thing with Emma is that her father loves her too much and sees her as nothing less than an "angel". This love makes Alan Barnes blind to his daughter's actions and causes him to protect her and give in to her wishes when he really shouldn't.
Emma's father is an enabler, and you just pointed out why? It means someone who enables negative behavior by turning a blind eye to it or someone. If you had a friend who was abusive to their partners and you didn't like, speak up about it, you might be an enabler, and so on.
UnwelcomeStorm
BARK! BARK! BARK!
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- United States
What are enablers?
The unfortunate thing with Emma is that her father loves her too much and sees her as nothing less than an "angel". This love makes Alan Barnes blind to his daughter's actions and causes him to protect her and give in to her wishes when he really shouldn't.
This here is an example of an enabler.
An enabler is basically someone who not only doesn't actively stop someone else's negative or self-destructive behaviors, but will either 1) assist for some reason (ie, I love them and just want them to be happy), or 2) will passively allow it to happen (which is another way of passively approving such behavior).
For Sophia, Emma is Type 1, because she actively praises and encourages Sophia's violence, even directs it against Taylor
The PRT and Winslow staff are Type 2, for not helping curb her behavior (the PRT) and for not doing anything to stop it-- which is the same as saying 'that's okay' (Winslow staff)
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I have this issue where I explain a thing but have no idea what the thing is called. Like how I know how to do a math equation but have no idea what the equation is called.
Oh. I thought it was some sort of freaky Cauldron thing.
Wait what. Where was this?
UnwelcomeStorm
BARK! BARK! BARK!
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- United States
Nope. It's also why I keep to my Detention > Winslow theory.
Detention is going to suck for Sophia, but if she sticks to her canon rails, she will not change.
She might change if she gets away from the factors and people who are enabling her.
Detention is going to suck for Sophia, but if she sticks to her canon rails, she will not change.
She might change if she gets away from the factors and people who are enabling her.
Mandabar
Waifu of choice is Rem. Give that girl some hugs!
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- Florida, USA [Yes. Florida *FacePalm*]
Hmmm. You could be right.
Ameratsu sure has had an suspicious amount of concrete dust on her lately. Whose base is made of bare concrete? That's right, Coil!
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I'll admit that what I said may have had some fanon mixed in, but the Elite are a canon group of evil business Capes that formed when the government cracked down on Rouges to "protect finances". The Elite are worse than the original issue because they also have Black Market dealings. Naturally, the law had loopholes which is how Toybox was founded. The law may have also been repealed (is that the right word?) or toned down significantly, which would explain why Parian had a did well in the fashion industry. You are welcome to check the wiki or Worm itself...if you dare.
Ammy is clearly digging for a hot spring.
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
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- Brazil
There's no need to overthink why Ammy is covered in concrete dust. She digs to find Stuff. Stuff like the books she gives to Taylor.Ammy is clearly digging for a hot spring.
Hard to dig places have better Stuff in them, so she'll clearly get better books and other tools/gifts for Taylor to use if she digs through concrete.
I think this is one of those politeness things that doesn't apply if you're sufficiently close to the person in question, as I haven't noticed that, either.
Well, either that, or it's something that gets lost in translation. But don't quote me on this, since I can't confirm it one way or another.
Yeah, the claim about the law is extraordinary enough that I'm going to request some form of citation for its existence. Shady groups manipulating the market in illegal ways doesn't require a law that moronically stupid.I'll admit that what I said may have had some fanon mixed in, but the Elite are a canon group of evil business Capes that formed when the government cracked down on Rouges to "protect finances". The Elite are worse than the original issue because they also have Black Market dealings. Naturally, the law had loopholes which is how Toybox was founded. The law may have also been repealed (is that the right word?) or toned down significantly, which would explain why Parian had a did well in the fashion industry. You are welcome to check the wiki or Worm itself...if you dare.
So, in this situation, is Dinah a tool or a gift?
("Sunny? Why have you brought me a... small child as a present?"
"87.3452% chance you thank her for it eventually.")
ChandraMagic
I can't be bothered to expend the energy to care
It's more, a separation of duties. If he referred to Taylor as Taylor, or Hebert, it could be socially. By calling her Miko, he is instead inferring that he is inquiring in regards to her position (as a miko). That said, it is also much easier to just use Miko, rather than instructing and teaching the reader the complexity of honorifics, like -san or -sama, or dono, or...yeah, there's a bunch of them, and they can be fairly complex in meaning and when to use and such.
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
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- Brazil
Friends are gifts, aren't they?
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- Ohio
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- USA
Well I mean what type of gift? The ugly sweater a non-close relative gets for you and you donate to Goodwill?
As part of her probation.
Probation is supervision to ensure that you don't break the law during a prescribed period, as an alternative to incarceration, not an actual punishment in itself.
She was getting paid too.
You're describing the human condition.
Furthermore, people turn around and leave the Wards.
Flechette left the Wards for Parian and the Undersiders, and she didn't talk as if it was illegal, just that the PRT owned rights to her current ID.
Defiant left the Protectorate, and ran with the Guild and Dragon.
It may be expected that you graduate to the Protectorate, and they make it very attractive, but it's not mandatory.
People leave the Protectorate for other organizations, or for other things.
Even for villain orgs.
Flechette/Foil left the Wards for the Undersiders.
Standstill left the NY Wards, and the only real objection was that she joined the Adepts instead.
The Adepts had a reputation for poaching Protectorate and Ward capes.
Hell, one of the options that was made to Weaver in Drone 23.1 was that she could be assigned to some quiet town somewhere where she'll only do PR appearances.
And there are part-timers who basically keep an eye on quiet areas, like the guys who kept an eye on Damsel of Distress until the S9 recruited her.
My point is that Wildbow did not understand how psychologists work to write that up.
And the given excuse makes no bloody sense.
If the point was to avoid undue influence, they would be rotating everything: PRT Directors, cape assignments et cetera.
Note that when in prison, Taylor got to see the same therapist all the time: Yamada.
And I'm stating, that I disagree.
Systems aren't perfect, but they work for the vast majority of people.
See the PRT/Protectorate: the capes get paid, the civilians get at least some protection.
The Suits/Kings Men worked for a while in the UK until they suffered too many losses.
The Thanda/Garama system seemed to work for the Indian subcontinent.
It just so happens that squeaky doors gather attention; it's where those systems have broken down that draw attention.
The Yangban is clearly the next best thing to slavery, though.
The story is of necessity set in a place where shit is fucked up, because that's where you can tell an exciting conflict-filled tale.
A city with a history of trouble, with multiple heavy hitters on every side, three of the world's most powerful Thinkers as either villains or rogues, and
a gang boss actively stirring up trouble as part of his play for ultimate power.
TL; DR
BB is NOT a typical city.
Emily Piggot does not hate parahumans.
No one who read the scene where she worries about intimidating Kid Win and the Wards, about steeling herself to see the video of Hero's death out of respect, of empathy at watching Legend cry on video, cannot make that argument.
No, Piggot does not hate parahumans.
Trust?That's a whole different matter.
From the PRT Quest Google doc
The largest villain organization and arguably the second-largest parahuman organization in the United States, the Elite got their start in San Francisco as 'Uppermost', an organization of rogues organized by rogues, involved in production and entertainment, managed by parahumans. In 1998, Uppermost reached out to the PRT for assistance in dealing with a bill (NEPEA-5) that sought to curtail parahuman involvement in business and media, arguably targeted directly at Uppermost. After a great deal of consideration, the head office turned down the offer for assistance, the bill was passed, and Uppermost disbanded. Many members of Uppermost found their way to the Protectorate and Wards as a way of avoiding bankruptcy and to manage the fines and fees that followed the bill's passage.
The events that followed have been pieced together from hearsay and investigation - Uppermost's core group divided and started up their own businesses and independent directions, still in the open, in keeping with NEPEA-5. Unbeknownst to the PRT and the public, this group of members were still in contact. By the time it became apparent what they were doing, the new group, dubbed the Elite, had combined assets, employees and businesses quintupling Uppermost at its peak, and formed a loose confederation. Many core members have been supplanted by a more ruthless leadership, titling themselves after elements of the aristocracy. At the same time, however, despite the 'hostiles' designation in the files, the Elite are not open adversaries of the PRT. Cooperation or interaction with the Elite is a hotly debated subject within the PRT, from the lowest to the highest levels; the Elite do reduce crime numbers where they are active, but they also aggressively target rogues and powerful parahumans the PRT would rather support. While official judgment is pending, the present stance is to address the Elite on a case by case basis.
The Elite does not pursue traditional villainous enterprises, though they may temporarily maintain connections to organized crime if it suits their purposes. If they have any pattern, it is to seize an area on the highest level -economic or political-, then undermine local opposition on the fundamental level with sabotage, blitzkrieg-style strikes, remaining consistently off the public's radar by subterfuge or careful manipulation of media.
The organization forms a loose pyramid-style structure of cells. The head cell, based in San Francisco, manages interests on the national scale, while each step down involves a step down in scale. The Elite expect villains and groups to be beholden to the Elite and nobody else, Rogues are folded into the organization, and resistance is systematically crushed. Once an area is firmly under control, these resources are leveraged to expand elsewhere.
The Elite currently control territories across the Western seaboard, maintaining presences in:
◈ California ◈ Nevada ◈ Arizona
◈ Washington ◈ Idaho ◈ Oregon
◈ Florida ◈ N.Y. (Tentative) ◈ Other (various cape cities, tentative)
The events that followed have been pieced together from hearsay and investigation - Uppermost's core group divided and started up their own businesses and independent directions, still in the open, in keeping with NEPEA-5. Unbeknownst to the PRT and the public, this group of members were still in contact. By the time it became apparent what they were doing, the new group, dubbed the Elite, had combined assets, employees and businesses quintupling Uppermost at its peak, and formed a loose confederation. Many core members have been supplanted by a more ruthless leadership, titling themselves after elements of the aristocracy. At the same time, however, despite the 'hostiles' designation in the files, the Elite are not open adversaries of the PRT. Cooperation or interaction with the Elite is a hotly debated subject within the PRT, from the lowest to the highest levels; the Elite do reduce crime numbers where they are active, but they also aggressively target rogues and powerful parahumans the PRT would rather support. While official judgment is pending, the present stance is to address the Elite on a case by case basis.
The Elite does not pursue traditional villainous enterprises, though they may temporarily maintain connections to organized crime if it suits their purposes. If they have any pattern, it is to seize an area on the highest level -economic or political-, then undermine local opposition on the fundamental level with sabotage, blitzkrieg-style strikes, remaining consistently off the public's radar by subterfuge or careful manipulation of media.
The organization forms a loose pyramid-style structure of cells. The head cell, based in San Francisco, manages interests on the national scale, while each step down involves a step down in scale. The Elite expect villains and groups to be beholden to the Elite and nobody else, Rogues are folded into the organization, and resistance is systematically crushed. Once an area is firmly under control, these resources are leveraged to expand elsewhere.
The Elite currently control territories across the Western seaboard, maintaining presences in:
◈ California ◈ Nevada ◈ Arizona
◈ Washington ◈ Idaho ◈ Oregon
◈ Florida ◈ N.Y. (Tentative) ◈ Other (various cape cities, tentative)
What happened when connected people screaming about newbies stealing their jobs lobbied politicians into passing laws to protect them.
Unintended consequences ahoy.
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Chojomeka
Behold! QUEEN MONKE!
Hmm...you know with the seasons changing towards winter soon in Brockton Bay and festivals abound especially for a shrine I think I found the perfect song for the miko to sing. 
Just imagine the reactions if say a number of folks at whatever festival were to record this and put it on the internet?
Just imagine the reactions if say a number of folks at whatever festival were to record this and put it on the internet?
No, your point is that you didn't read what I wrote: in Worm itself the reason that rotating Therapists doesn't work is brought up in story by a therapist and a patient. He understood that it wouldn't work, and had it in story as a way that the PRT fucks things up. The given reason might not be the actual reason, but we know both that the therapists are rotated and that the they and their patients view this as frustrating.
Ok, here's the difference: you think that stuff that's never actually shown or barely even mentioned is as important as the information that's repeatedly and prominently shown. I don't.
Ah, never followed that quest. Still is utterly moronic in every possible way.
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*stifles laughter, giggles*
That sort of thing is called a Chekov's Gun, silly!
Taylor's flute has been mentioned in passing, but who wants to bet that it'll get turned into a lightsaber? Ammy being covered in concrete dust was mentioned only once yet we all agree that detail will be super important.
You realize this is Worm you're talking about, right? You know, the place hopes go to die and the organization attempting to save the world is blindly following the instructions of a precog that has no idea how to kill the thing they need to kill and uses Endbringers as a way to cull weaker Capes?
Edited to reference JoJo.
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Kanrisha
Limiting kindfragen's enjoyment
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- Zone 0
There were giant saw blades on that floor, brat. You were so many different kinds of dead on impact!
Best present you could ever give to a person. Or maybe just me, donno.
You cheeky bugger. I see what you did there. In fact, everyone probably has by now. You don't have enough likes, friend.
Clear as mud. Now calm down, you need a hug.
EDIT: Forgot the reason I originally posted, @UnwelcomeStorm, This is wonderful to read. This is good, and you should feel good.
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I knew I should have figured out how to embed videos on a thread. It makes referencing JoJo so hard when people don't bother to click on the link.
RexHeller
Title Incoming. Please Hold.
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There's a button right next to the one to embed a picture above the reply box. It looks like a film reel on a phone and I think a YouTube video on a computer. Click the button, copy the video link and there you go.I knew I should have figured out how to embed videos on a thread. It makes referencing JoJo so hard when people don't bother to click on the link.