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Constellations (Worm/Okami)

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UnwelcomeStorm said:
Munchkins, as I understand it, seek power at all costs, meaning they'll gleefully backstab other players for money, magical items, favor of dark gods, etc. Which sounds like Fanon Armsmaster to a T until you remember who he's playing with.
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The only Armsmaster it'd fit is the "Darkest Armsmaster" from the "Leviathan attacks Florida" WoG timeline. Which takes a lot of intermediate steps, including fully getting away with the Leviathan plot and Coil literally taking over (and actually stabilizing!) Brockton Bay, to get Colin to the point where he takes command of Dragon (who didn't get to save him from Mannequin and tell him first in that timeline) rather than free her. And even then, he sticks by Calvert, so it's still not a "gleefully backstab everyone" situation, just a standard face-heel turn with a new set of loyalties to the Cauldron Side of the Force.

TL;DR: Colin can go full asshole, but it takes more than what fics throw at him and Coil being in charge to act as enabler to boot. This fic is nowhere near that situation, so here, not a chance. Therefore, he's his normal min-maxer self, with a minor likelihood of retaliatory munchkinning, perhaps, if the situation gets very dire and he feels that someone is being a bastard.
 
UnwelcomeStorm said:
Munchkins, as I understand it, seek power at all costs, meaning they'll gleefully backstab other players for money, magical items, favor of dark gods, etc. Which sounds like Fanon Armsmaster to a T until you remember who he's playing with. The chances of him deciding it'd be a good idea to betray his boss, his crush, his co-worker, and an infamously troublesome 'wizard' are approximately zero.

He'll go for min/maxing until he inevitably runs up against the power limitations of a Paladin. Then he'll have to learn to min/max as part of a group if he wants to stay relevant.
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Which edition are they using? 4E, for example, doesn't seem to have much in the way of AoE effects for pallies. (Unless I'm being blind as I glance through my books.)
 
Albert said:
Which edition are they using? 4E, for example, doesn't seem to have much in the way of AoE effects for pallies. (Unless I'm being blind as I glance through my books.)
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3e and 4e may never even have happened in this world, or at least not as we know them, they essentially required Wizards of the Coast to have a smash hit in Magic the Gathering, saving local gaming stores and giving them enough cash to buy D&D and then build a team to make 3e. Lots and lots of chance for that to be butterflied away.
 
UnwelcomeStorm said:
Munchkins, as I understand it, seek power at all costs, meaning they'll gleefully backstab other players for money, magical items, favor of dark gods, etc. Which sounds like Fanon Armsmaster to a T until you remember who he's playing with. The chances of him deciding it'd be a good idea to betray his boss, his crush, his co-worker, and an infamously troublesome 'wizard' are approximately zero.

He'll go for min/maxing until he inevitably runs up against the power limitations of a Paladin. Then he'll have to learn to min/max as part of a group if he wants to stay relevant.
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I just want to see him find the Psionic Artificer or StP Erudite splats. Or theop with Archivist or Arcane Swordsage.
 
So would using the various rules to have a lvl 1 Psion with 17hp be a Munchkin or a Min/Maxer ... asking hypothetically for a friend of course.
 
Malcanthet said:
So would using the various rules to have a lvl 1 Psion with 17hp be a Munchkin or a Min/Maxer ... asking hypothetically for a friend of course.
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Are you using the rules as designed or arguing for questionable interpretations?

Min-maxing is more about 'lessee, if I make a half orc, take one rank in this class, three in that, worship a god from an obscure book, and do these other things, then I get these stats. Awesome', where it might not be what the designer intended, but you can do it completely legit by the rules.

Munchkining is more about 'no, see, it totally makes sense to allow me this questionable as to if the rules allow it thing', messing with the grey zones and the like, not merely building your character with an extreme eye to optimization.
 
Terrabrand said:
Are you using the rules as designed or arguing for questionable interpretations?

Min-maxing is more about 'lessee, if I make a half orc, take one rank in this class, three in that, worship a god from an obscure book, and do these other things, then I get these stats. Awesome', where it might not be what the designer intended, but you can do it completely legit by the rules.

Munchkining is more about 'no, see, it totally makes sense to allow me this questionable as to if the rules allow it thing', messing with the grey zones and the like, not merely building your character with an extreme eye to optimization.
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That kinda depends. The DM usually lets us use Unearthed Arcana's Flaw system because the party is only 3 people. That and the Aberrant Blood Line of feats have a blatant Psionic focus to them. Add in a Human with 16 Con and yea I can get 16hp at level one with the feats in the Psionics Expanded Handbook and the Lords of Madness (( I think that is the right title )) Splatbooks feat section.
 
Malcanthet said:
That kinda depends. The DM usually lets us use Unearthed Arcana's Flaw system because the party is only 3 people. That and the Aberrant Blood Line of feats have a blatant Psionic focus to them. Add in a Human with 16 Con and yea I can get 16hp at level one with the feats in the Psionics Expanded Handbook and the Lords of Madness (( I think that is the right title )) Splatbooks feat section.
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Eh. That's 3.5. It's about as balanced as a 2 legged stool in an earthquake.
 
That can be extremely balanced as long as your legs are wide enough. Two wooden triangles parallel to each other with the stool seat fastened to the sawed off points on top, for instance.
 
Malcanthet said:
That kinda depends. The DM usually lets us use Unearthed Arcana's Flaw system because the party is only 3 people. That and the Aberrant Blood Line of feats have a blatant Psionic focus to them. Add in a Human with 16 Con and yea I can get 16hp at level one with the feats in the Psionics Expanded Handbook and the Lords of Madness (( I think that is the right title )) Splatbooks feat section.
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Well, you say that depends, but what I am hearing is 'min-maxer'. If you aren't specifically searching for Peasant Railgun type shenanigans where you have, essentially, argued an advantage into being, and merely are using what is available to make an exceptionally powerful character, you are min maxing but not munchkinning.
 
Not sure what min/maxing has to do with Constellations, yeah. Short short answer: if you're following the rules and being consistent about interpretations, you're min/maxing or powergaming. If you're breaking the rules and hoping nobody notices, or interpreting them differently depending on what interpretation benefits you THIS time, you're munchkinning.

Good Dog is a munchkin because she actively changes the rules. She may qualify as a railroading GM, in fact, as she's arguably not a "player character" but rather doG.
 
Given how often Sunny treats the laws of physics and narrative causality alike as suggestions and chew toys, yeah, munchkinry abounds.
Coil could also be called a munchkin, given how blatantly he cheats the legal and economic systems.

Taylor in Worm Canon, by all accounts, just blatantly cheats? Her HP is through the rough, despite being a squishy caster. And it's not like she has any training or built in excuse to have it.
It's like she just added an extra 0 to her HP on the character sheet and called it a day.
 
Okibruez said:
Taylor in Worm Canon, by all accounts, just blatantly cheats? Her HP is through the rough, despite being a squishy caster. And it's not like she has any training or built in excuse to have it.
It's like she just added an extra 0 to her HP on the character sheet and called it a day.
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"I've added NOTHING to my character sheet!"
 
Nah, Taylor just has a feat that lets her use Will instead of Con for her hp, and takes full advantage of the fact that you function just fine as long as you have at least 1.
 
Going by CWMGQ, Skitter probably has "Ignore Body Damage Modifiers" and a rather significant damage reduction ability. Probably a recursive one.
 
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