Constellations (Worm/Okami)
- Thread starter UnwelcomeStorm
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I kind of doubt this hasn't been posted here but.... I'm leaving this here just in case:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12744693/1/Star-gazing
TLDR looks like someone wrote up a spinoff right about where things went on pause here. Or it was posted here as omake and I missed it.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12744693/1/Star-gazing
TLDR looks like someone wrote up a spinoff right about where things went on pause here. Or it was posted here as omake and I missed it.
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- The World
Fanfiction of fanfiction!
That makes it the sort of story that The Aeneid and Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart! basically were in their time.
Kind of hilarious when you realise how many of the "classical" and "erudite" texts of ages past were basically fanfics. Even the Illiad qualifies actually. It never fails to amuse me.
I haven't read the story at the other end of your link yet, but then I only finished the threadmarks here, like, less than an hour ago.
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- In My Parlour like a Good Arachne
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- She, her
I believe it was posted there as a continuation/omake as that person saw the story going. If I recall correctly they mentioned that in the blurb in that first chapter.
Read the author's notes at the very beginning of the first chapter. The author, instead of asking Unwelcome Storm if the story is dead, decided too continue the story in their own initiative.
Considering that Unwelcome Storm has repeatedly mentioned that she will finish Constellations and that it isn't dead, I didn't read any more than that. With such discourtesy to the original author, I'm ignoring that story because I feel it is nothing more than plagiarism.
Had they released this story within this thread so that it can be treated as an omake or if there had been a note that they received permission from Unwelcome Storm, then I would not be so harsh. But that is not the case, which is why I ignore it. The very fact they mention the original story and that the story can be treated as an omake if Constellation ever continue, is the sole reason I'm not doing anything else.
Considering that Unwelcome Storm has repeatedly mentioned that she will finish Constellations and that it isn't dead, I didn't read any more than that. With such discourtesy to the original author, I'm ignoring that story because I feel it is nothing more than plagiarism.
Had they released this story within this thread so that it can be treated as an omake or if there had been a note that they received permission from Unwelcome Storm, then I would not be so harsh. But that is not the case, which is why I ignore it. The very fact they mention the original story and that the story can be treated as an omake if Constellation ever continue, is the sole reason I'm not doing anything else.
Mm. Reading over it now. I feel like it's missing something. It doesn't have Constellation's charm and I think it's missing the point of some aspects. Constellations, for all its silliness, is rather down to earth. Like a warm hug. The opening chapter of the spinoff goes hog wild and ostentatious.
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- Somewhere
It's not viewpoint centered like the original story. We are just being told what people do and say, and seeing their inner monologue, but we aren't getting their feelings and emotions. It's like the narrator has stepped back from when they were in the characters heads, and is now watching from a distance. It lacks the feel.
Troy Guffey
Irresponsible Parasite
- Location
- Western Missouri, USA
No, it not plagiarism. That is COPYING someone else's work without acknowledgement. This is writing YOUR OWN WORK set in the same setting as Constellations.
In other words, FAN-FICTION!
It will get people to read US's story. And since US is being slow to give us our next fix, this is a substitute. Even if Constellations ISN'T dead, it's certainly fainted. Or sleeping. Or hibernating.
Grounders10
Nine-Tailed Kitsune
- Location
- British Columbia, Canada, Mars
... Plagiarism... Like US is plagiarizing Worm, or Okami? Constellations is Fan-fiction, and what you are referring to is Recursive fan fiction. A fanfic of a fanfic. Its not plagiarism. I won't say anything about quality, but then 90% of fanfiction is trash anyway.
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- Yes
Than why do you read this story? Or any fanfiction? By the same logic they're "nothing more than plagiarism" as they didn't contact the original author to get permission.
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- Norfolk, Va
OK, wow. Apparently my misuse of the word plagiarism offended some people. My apologies about misusing the word.
I probably should have used story theft instead, even though that is still not the appropriate word.
But as I had clearly stated in my post, this is my feeling on the matter. Why do I feel this way? Again, it is explained in the post but here it is very quickly. Per the Author's Note that was left in the first chapter, they did not attempt to contact Unwelcome Storm on the matter. They just went ahead and wrote it. As I had mentioned, Unwelcome Storm has mentioned several times that this story is not dead and that she will be finishing it.
Instead of posting this in the Spacebattles or Sufficient Velocity (SV) threads, they created a new story on Fanfiction.net. Had this author just simply posted their work in the Constellations threads, then I wouldn't have such an issue (especially so they could be marked as an Omake). That is not what happened and again, this was also mentioned in my post.
It is all of these factors that makes me feel as if this is plagiarism/story theft. This author is attempting to steal/build off of the hard work of Unwelcome Storm. They are trying to boost themselves by using the reputation that Unwelcome Storm had built up.
A fanfiction writer does not have a legal team, marketing team, PR team, etc. They show their appreciation of the works of others by creating their fanfiction, fanart, etc. This also means that the only thing that these creators have, is the reputation that they build.
Unwelcome Storm has built up enough reputation and history that I know that I can read any of her stories and enjoy them. I've never been interested in the Persona games but I still read and enjoy her Worm/Persona story. I don't enjoy Taylor joining the Merchants stories but I still read hers.
This reputation is sometimes the only thing that they have. Unlike the large corporations (where a large group of people are involved in the creation of games or movies, or where the single creator is shielded by an army of lawyers and desk jockeys), fanfiction creators can be easily contacted. You can send them emails, make comments on their work on their various sites, etc.
Unwelcome Storm does pay attention to her threads, she does respond to them, plus you always have the option of sending her Private Messages in both Spacebattles and SV. But the fact that no attempt was made makes me believe that this is not a simple fanfiction of a fanfiction situation. This is an attempt to steal and use Unwelcome Storm's reputation to try and make their own story more popular. Or at least, that is what it appears to me.
I have read enough situations where somebody attempts to steal another persons works, where they try to claim that they are the original creator instead. Do I believe that this is going to happen? I don't think so, as they did mention the original story thread in SV. But I'm not going to encourage them.
Now, this post has gone on long enough. These are my opinions and I'm pretty sure that many people are going to have issues with them. I will not derail this thread any more by trying to argue my point against those that don't agree with it. But had there been an attempt at communication with Unwelcome Storm and that the story was posted within the Constellations threads as an omake, I would not have had an issue with the story. But since this did not happen, that is why I'm staying away from it.
I probably should have used story theft instead, even though that is still not the appropriate word.
But as I had clearly stated in my post, this is my feeling on the matter. Why do I feel this way? Again, it is explained in the post but here it is very quickly. Per the Author's Note that was left in the first chapter, they did not attempt to contact Unwelcome Storm on the matter. They just went ahead and wrote it. As I had mentioned, Unwelcome Storm has mentioned several times that this story is not dead and that she will be finishing it.
Instead of posting this in the Spacebattles or Sufficient Velocity (SV) threads, they created a new story on Fanfiction.net. Had this author just simply posted their work in the Constellations threads, then I wouldn't have such an issue (especially so they could be marked as an Omake). That is not what happened and again, this was also mentioned in my post.
It is all of these factors that makes me feel as if this is plagiarism/story theft. This author is attempting to steal/build off of the hard work of Unwelcome Storm. They are trying to boost themselves by using the reputation that Unwelcome Storm had built up.
A fanfiction writer does not have a legal team, marketing team, PR team, etc. They show their appreciation of the works of others by creating their fanfiction, fanart, etc. This also means that the only thing that these creators have, is the reputation that they build.
Unwelcome Storm has built up enough reputation and history that I know that I can read any of her stories and enjoy them. I've never been interested in the Persona games but I still read and enjoy her Worm/Persona story. I don't enjoy Taylor joining the Merchants stories but I still read hers.
This reputation is sometimes the only thing that they have. Unlike the large corporations (where a large group of people are involved in the creation of games or movies, or where the single creator is shielded by an army of lawyers and desk jockeys), fanfiction creators can be easily contacted. You can send them emails, make comments on their work on their various sites, etc.
Unwelcome Storm does pay attention to her threads, she does respond to them, plus you always have the option of sending her Private Messages in both Spacebattles and SV. But the fact that no attempt was made makes me believe that this is not a simple fanfiction of a fanfiction situation. This is an attempt to steal and use Unwelcome Storm's reputation to try and make their own story more popular. Or at least, that is what it appears to me.
I have read enough situations where somebody attempts to steal another persons works, where they try to claim that they are the original creator instead. Do I believe that this is going to happen? I don't think so, as they did mention the original story thread in SV. But I'm not going to encourage them.
Now, this post has gone on long enough. These are my opinions and I'm pretty sure that many people are going to have issues with them. I will not derail this thread any more by trying to argue my point against those that don't agree with it. But had there been an attempt at communication with Unwelcome Storm and that the story was posted within the Constellations threads as an omake, I would not have had an issue with the story. But since this did not happen, that is why I'm staying away from it.
Grounders10
Nine-Tailed Kitsune
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- British Columbia, Canada, Mars
I don't contact the creators of a work and tell them I'm writing fanfiction based on it. That's with copyrighted work. Why should anyone extend that courtesy to the writer of a fanfic? At least US is getting credit for the original idea. *Very annoyed Kitsune* Hypocrisy annoys me greatly.
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- Yes
Yah we got it. The thing is fanfiction authors almost never try to contact the authors of the original material, so why does this case offend you when other fanfiction doesn't? Is it just because you feel you know the author in this case don't have a problem with stealing from authors you don't have that connection to?
Fanfiction is IMO legitimate use, and fanfiction writers who try and prevent fanfiction of their stories are hypocrites and idiots. The hypocrisy should be obvious, the idiocy comes from publicly establishing that they believe they don't have a right to write fanfiction.
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- Earth Prime
Yeah, chiming in on the "it's fanfiction" bandwagon, here. Fanfiction of fanfiction, which is hardly any worse of a sin than fanfiction of an original work.
It's hardly "disrespectful" to an author to write fanfic without asking permission, unless said author has expressly requested that people not do so. And, frankly, if a fanfic author made such a request regarding their fanfic, I'd be looking askance at them, raising my eyebrow, and asking, "Really?"
It's hardly "disrespectful" to an author to write fanfic without asking permission, unless said author has expressly requested that people not do so. And, frankly, if a fanfic author made such a request regarding their fanfic, I'd be looking askance at them, raising my eyebrow, and asking, "Really?"
NemiTheNen
Perpetual Phone Poster
Eh, fanfiction authors are reachable in ways published ones are not. You don't need permission to write a cookie/omake/spin off, but it's nice to let them know.
It's badly written, the known factors swing wildly. People buy too easily and quickly into the goddess thing.
It's badly written
Maybe not, it's badly written
It's badly written, the known factors swing wildly. People buy too easily and quickly into the goddess thing.
It's badly written
Maybe not, it's badly written
Troy Guffey
Irresponsible Parasite
- Location
- Western Missouri, USA
Some fanfiction authors will even link to your branch
Yeah, it's in no way as great as the original. 6.66/10
But he told them that reading the original before proceeding was ESSENTIAL to make sense of his addition.
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M. H. Fuzzball
Aperture Science-certified Horrible Person
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- Sector 2814
At least he hasn't set Taylor up with a harem, like he does Harry in his HP fics.
Kinda have to disagree, as the meta is as much a part of the story as the story itself.
I gets that's your opinion it's just a weird one.
unsanity
Fractionally Assembled
Fan fan-fiction? Fan-fiction fiction? Recursive fan-fiction? Fan-fan-fiction-fiction? Fan-fiction combo chain? Fan-Fiction 2: Electric Boogaloo?
Fan-Fiction: the Fanagedonning?
How long do you have to keep the chain going before new spin-offs start giving you extra lives?
It never fails to amaze me when people speculate about things they could simply look up instead.
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- Yes
The problem is
1)fanfiction comes down to how "fair usage" is defined in your specific case, which will vary greatly depending on the judge even in the same jurisdiction.
2)copyright holders with a lot of money can in practice get a lot of things that by most common-sense interpretations of the law they shouldn't.
3)A copyright holder establishing a precedent of allowing or even encouraging fanfiction, can (when combined with internet publishing) make withdrawing that permission complicated to the point it's impractical.
Rajvik_wolfboy
Wolf amongst the stars.
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- Florida
4) Some writers actually encourage fan fiction to the point of accepting submissions through their publishers for anthologies. ( ie. John Ring Eric Flint)