Confringentur 2; a Madoka Magica / Fate/Stay Night sequel

Also I'm back, it's a Christmas miracle! Lots of bad stuff happened irl that prevented me from doing much, but thankfully that's mostly passed for now. Serious props to everyone that stepped up to keep this quest running! :)
Me right now seeing this (Warning for a bit of earrape and bright lights)

Wait, it is Christmas morning. Halleluyah.

[X] Enetious
 
Hey guys what did I-
*Sees Enetious*

Dear God...! This is what they call a Christmas Miracle!?

[X] Enetious

He came back!
 
Omake, side Niko - Not Quite Taboo
The sensation struck Niko the moment she stepped out of the sweets shop, almost causing her to drop the iced coffee she had purchased. She didn't, instead forcing her body to stay calm and relax, lest her reaction give herself away to whomever was watching. She walked slowly, deliberately, occasionally checking the reflection of the city skyline in the windows of the shops she passed, never once catching sight of her unseen tail. Whoever they were, they were uncannily good at keeping their presence concealed.

As she snuck around to the back entrance of Angelica Bears, Niko had no idea if she had managed to shake her tail or not. She had taken the long way, cutting through several busy intersections and back alleys alike, hoping to lose them. With the sensation of being watched refusing to leave her until the moment she had closed the back door, she had to ask; had she lost them or not? Was the lingering sensation proof that her tail had been watching right until the very end, or just her paranoid mind playing tricks on her?

The elevator doors closed, and it wasn't until Niko had stepped out, hearing her footsteps echo on the tiled floor of the basement level, that her breathing calmed itself. "I'd never have guessed that you of all people would have decided to go for a stroll," Asami Saki said, greeting Niko as she returned to base. "That's unlike you. What if someone were to notice 'Hijiri Kanna' walking around in broad daylight?"

"It wasn't my choice," Niko replied. "Assassin was getting uppity; told me I had been inside for too long and that my body needed the vitamin D. What about you?" Saki cocked an inquisitive eye in Niko's direction as she asked "What are you doing here? Don't you have classes Thursday afternoons?"

"It's Friday, Niko," Saki said, crossing her arms over her chest. "I don't have classes on Friday, remember? Assassin was right; you do need to get out more often if you're starting to lose track of what day it is." Niko refused to dignify Saki's comment with any more answer than an absentminded nod of her head. "At any rate, we need to talk."

"Funny, I was about to say the same thing to you." Wakaba Mirai may have been Saki's right hand, but when it came to keeping the machinery of the Pleiades Saints ticking, it was Niko that Saki came to, and no one else. The walk to Niko's workshop was long, winding, but both girls knew the way. "Before Assassin kicked me out, we were going over some data I had been collecting on the performance of our Soul Gems; how frequently and how efficiently we're using our mana, things like that."

"You found something out of the ordinary, didn't you?" Saki asked; there wasn't any other reason Niko would have brought the topic up. "What was it?"

"Last night I was finally able to get some real-time data on how the regeneration module I was working on plays out, and the results aren't looking the way I'd hoped." Saki had been lucky, having avoided any major injury in her fight with the bow-using girl last night; but she knew Mirai and Satomi hadn't escaped so easily. "I don't know if it's as good an idea as I thought it would be. The data showed a considerable uptake in mana usage at the point of regeneration. Wakaba's data in particular has me worried. Even though her injuries were less severe than Usagi's, the mana cost to her Soul Gem was greater."

"That's not good, is it?"

"It depends on what future data looks like," Niko said. "There's a chance it's just a fluke, and we'll start to see their mana usage level out once their Soul Gems are used to the module, but if not it could be a sign that the module is doing more harm than good. Wakaba already has a lower pool of mana than Usagi, on top of Rider taking more out of her than Archer takes out of Usagi. If worse comes to worst, I might have to disable the module entirely for Wakaba, before the regeneration causes her to..." Niko didn't dare finish her sentence, and Saki didn't dare finish it for her. Standing before the large, double-wide doors of Niko's private workshop, finishing that sentence didn't feel right. "If it proves to be a problem for you or Misaki, let me know. How your Soul Gems react to the module will let me know whether I should keep it active or not."

Saki nodded. "What about the homunculus? Umika told me last night that you think her magic wore off. What does that mean for us going forward?"

"It means we'll have to keep a close eye on her, to make sure the work that's already been done wasn't for nothing. In case of another relapse, I've given her permission to make whatever alterations she sees fit. As long as she is combat-worthy, and manages to stay alive until Caster can complete his work, that's all we really need from her."

"You sound rather nonchalant about the whole thing," Saki said. "You know what will happen to her once Caster is finished. I thought you'd be a little more concerned about the fate of your alleged masterpiece." As if she could ever call her a masterpiece. She was just the first attempt that hadn't been a failure, after all.

"I know that the work I've done has been leading up to this moment," Niko replied. "If Caster is successful, then everything I've done will have been for that purpose. Besides, you were the one that loved her, not me. I'm just doing the job you asked me to do."

"And you really don't have any complaints with everything I've asked you to do so far?"

"I'd be lying if I said I was okay with the things we've done." With the things she had done. "But that's just human nature. In truth, I lost the right to complain about my work a long time ago. Now, I'm just doing the only thing I'm any good at."

Saki turned, saying to Niko as the two parted ways "At any rate, I'm glad you're as good at is as you are. It's... Been difficult, I know; for all of us. But we're almost there. We will see her again, and when we do it will have been thanks to you."

"Thanks to me," Niko repeated the words to herself as Saki turned the corner and vanished. She snorted, saying softly "As if." Assassin soon appeared beside her master, handing a bottle of orange juice to her. "Now with added vitamin D," Niko said, taking the bottle from Assassin and drinking. "You really do think of everything, don't you?"

"I figured keeping you outside for any extended period of time would be a fool's errand," Assassin said. "So I thought I might at least find another way to get your body the nutrition it requires."

Niko finished her orange juice without complaint, stuffing the empty bottle into the pocket of her hoodie once she had finished. "Assassin, let's go over the data we collected last night one more time," Niko said. "I want to see if there are any calibrations I can make to the regeneration module that'll make it less mana-intensive when Wakaba uses it."

"As you wish, master."

The pair turned their backs on the tall, double-wide doors and made for Niko's workshop. Niko knew she could never turn her back on what she had done; what lay behind those double-wide doors. To think otherwise was just her mind playing tricks on her, like it had earlier when she thought she was being followed.​
 
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Alright, since we (the players) know where Niko is heading - and because I didn't really think I could get an entire update out of just saying "And then I followed her around the city for a bit" - I've given us something short and sweet that gets us right to the point and drops us off at Niko's end destination. Then as an added Christmas bonus, since NMS said he wanted to see an omake from the Saints' perspective, I've given us something following Niko that picks up right where the updated end to the previous post leaves off.

We've got some new voting options tacked on to the previous post, but I'm not going to rush anyone to get on it right away.
 
[X] Keep watch for a little while longer; maybe she'll come out
-[X] Also report back to Homura with news of her destination; if this is the enemy's hideout, she'll want to know

We can just telepathy Homura, right? No reason these two have to be mutually exclusive. If we were an Assassin I'd want to take a look inside, but as we are, Carnwennan and Secret of Pedigree alone won't let us get past a Servant's detection ability. We don't want to raze the museum, even if it would be adequate payback, because that will:

1. Get all possible Servants inside to come at us full-tilt, which is not wise, even if Carnwennan might let us get out
2. Get them to take us seriously
3. Reveal at least one of Archer's bigger swords, since Secret of Pedigree wouldn't cover them. Feasibly we could try throwing them way off by using certain famous swords, but there's still the above points to consider.

Regardless, I hope you all have a merry Christmas.
 
[X] Keep watch for a little while longer; maybe she'll come out
-[X] Also report back to Homura with news of her destination; if this is the enemy's hideout, she'll want to know

We can just telepathy Homura, right? No reason these two have to be mutually exclusive. If we were an Assassin I'd want to take a look inside, but as we are, Carnwennan and Secret of Pedigree alone won't let us get past a Servant's detection ability. We don't want to raze the museum, even if it would be adequate payback, because that will:

1. Get all possible Servants inside to come at us full-tilt, which is not wise, even if Carnwennan might let us get out
2. Get them to take us seriously
3. Reveal at least one of Archer's bigger swords, since Secret of Pedigree wouldn't cover them. Feasibly we could try throwing them way off by using certain famous swords, but there's still the above points to consider.

Regardless, I hope you all have a merry Christmas.

We could borrow a Noble Phantasm from Gill that would grant a powerful Presence Concealment skill. Then we could sneak one of our servants in and set up some spy camera inside to spy on them. Or set up something to spy on them from the outside. Knowing when they will made a move or gather tibit of information would improve our chances on taking them down.
 
We could borrow a Noble Phantasm from Gill that would grant a powerful Presence Concealment skill.
That's very much something we could do later, but this is a spur-of-the-moment thing. It's going to take a second to get anything out of him, if he's even willing in the first place. That's always the problem with the 'just ask Gilgamesh' solutions; he's usually never willing unless it's something minor.

Or set up something to spy on them from the outside.
Archer's Clairvoyance does a good job of this already (there are a lot of windows on Angelica Bears so not like that's a problem), though it doesn't give audio. How good is Archer at lip reading?
 
I would like to mention that we shouldn't immediately revert to expecting Enetious to do all the work. For all we know he might vanish again for another extended period of time, so we should keep on it and not assume he'll come to our rescue. Votes and keeping the momentum going are important.
 
I would like to mention that we shouldn't immediately revert to expecting Enetious to do all the work. For all we know he might vanish again for another extended period of time, so we should keep on it and not assume he'll come to our rescue. Votes and keeping the momentum going are important.
Well, it is Christmas. Just wait for tomorrow. Hopefully by then we'll be back in order.
 
Well, it is Christmas. Just wait for tomorrow. Hopefully by then we'll be back in order.
I'm just saying that as a general guideline. We thought he'd be back "soon" in August, and it took him until now to come back. I can't see into the future, so I can't say how long it will be until real life gets the better of him again or how bad it'll be the next time, so I just want to get everyone on the same page about not backsliding and letting him do all the work, just in case he needs to take another extended reality check.
 
[X] Keep watch for a little while longer; maybe she'll come out
-[X] Also report back to Homura with news of her destination; if this is the enemy's hideout, she'll want to know
Do you have anything for the Homura part of the vote? What are we thinking she'll be thinking of Archer's report? Is there anything she might want to do after classes? Does she want to go to Asunaro to have a look around for herself? Try to forget her problems and hang out with friends? Team meeting?
 
I'm just saying that as a general guideline. We thought he'd be back "soon" in August, and it took him until now to come back. I can't see into the future, so I can't say how long it will be until real life gets the better of him again or how bad it'll be the next time, so I just want to get everyone on the same page about not backsliding and letting him do all the work, just in case he needs to take another extended reality check.
Don't worry, nothing of this magnitude should happen again anytime soon (one would hope anyways). Still a good sentiment to keep things rolling though. :)
This just gives me the feeling that their caster is Avicebron. Also I don't think we have the time to grab an NP from GIl.
Just going to remind everyone that Avicebron typically requires a base "core" to create his Noble Phantasm, which is usually either a Homunculus, some kind of strong magical creature, or his own spiritual core by sacrificing himself. So even if we keep Niko's clone/homunculus away from them, Avicebron could just seppuku and summon Eve Adam controllable by those he grants permission to. Oh joy.

As for the vote, there's a couple of viable options here that we could take, the retreat and report option or the option to act. Either is okay, depends on what the vast majority of players want to do. To give everyone an option that involves acting without immediately killing everyone, feel free to vote on this vote (though I don't mind if this or just reporting wins). Basically a Paragon/Renegade option between the two. :V

[X] Plan Tick Tock The Witch Is Dead
-[X] Project the scissors of Mephistopheles and use Ticktock Bomb: Dozing Bomb to summon bombs around the perimeter of the building Niko went into; set the bombs to implant into the Magic Circuits of any magical girls and Servants present whenever they're in range and immediately retreat as stealthily as possible

Since "medium range" for a Noble Phantasm is a lot, it should be able to Cover the entire building unless it's a lot bigger than what I'm envisioning. Using these spiritual bombs, Archer could use them like Mephistopheles does in order to force their cooperation, or as a deterrent from attacking Mitakihara again. It's "war" after all, and quite honestly the Saints are the ones to start committing war crimes first. :/

EDIT: Avicebron's golem is called Adam, not Eve, thanks Swedish15 😅
 
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This just gives me the feeling that their caster is Avicebron.

I utterly agree, and that's why enemy!Caster is quite high in the target list. And @Enetious I guess he would not sacrifice himself this time, but instead put one of the hurt/almost witching girls into Adam. Either way, Adam awakening is a lost scenario.

An idea for the possible Homura vote:
[Homura] Google this teddy bear museum
-[Homura] Wasn't one of the enemy magical girls using a teddy bear army?
-[Homura] Plan and execute an assault in the early morning hours, if we can get the blueprints or the make of the museum.
 
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-[X] Project the knives of Mephistopheles and use Ticktock Bomb: Dozing Bomb
I'm pretty sure that we can't copy that Noble Phantasm, it's a magecraft technique and not tied to his knives.
Funny, I was going to question their use as well, but not because I don't know if we can use them. I'm just really not a fan of what FGO did to Mephistopheles, and don't really want to acknowledge that version of him as a thing that exists as the "default" state.
 
I'm pretty sure that we can't copy that Noble Phantasm, it's a magecraft technique and not tied to his knives.
Well, it's a Noble Phantasm, not a Magecraft technique, and generally speaking a Servant's Noble Phantasm equates to their armament or casting tool unless their Noble Phantasm specifically specifies that it is innate, is derived from something else, or that their weapon or casting tool is a Nameless one. Noble Phantasm does mean "Precious/Treasured Tool" after all. :p

Of course I am getting this info from F/GO profiles and the wiki, so if you have a source for that feel free to link it. As much as I know the Nasuverse, I don't know every single little tidbit. :)

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Funny, I was going to question their use as well, but not because I don't know if we can use them. I'm just really not a fan of what FGO did to Mephistopheles, and don't really want to acknowledge that version of him as a thing that exists as the "default" state.
Well, do remember that this is just one aspect of the entity known as "Mephistopheles", and isn't actually indicative of what his "default state" or original personality was. Just like how Jack the Ripper (Assassin) isn't actually Jack the Ripper (that would be his Saber version), but rather victims of the times surrounding Jack the Ripper in connection to the women he murdered, Mephistopheles (Caster) isn't necessarily the same as who you'd think he'd be. Also like as there's two Vlad IIs, stories and fiction can get in the way of the truth of history when it comes to some of a Heroic Spirit's classes.
 
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I'm pretty sure that we can't copy that Noble Phantasm, it's a magecraft technique and not tied to his knives.
And it's also purely reliant on bugs, which we most certainly can't project. If you want something that attacks magic circuits, Phantasm Punishment works, but 1. good f***ing luck trying to hit anyone with it, and 2. I'm willing to bet that SVS doesn't like Assassin Kiritsugu either.

and generally speaking a Servant's Noble Phantasm equates to their armament or casting tool unless their Noble Phantasm specifically specifies that it is innate,
equates to their armament or casting tool
unless their Noble Phantasm specifically specifies that it is innate

B R U H
 
And it's also purely reliant on bugs, which we most certainly can't project. If you want something that attacks magic circuits, Phantasm Punishment works, but 1. good f***ing luck trying to hit anyone with it, and 2. I'm willing to bet that SVS doesn't like Assassin Kiritsugu either.
Actually, I don't have a problem with Assassin Kerry. It's the difference between acknowledging that Assassin Kerry comes from a distinctly different timeline, versus Gay Clown who is from this timeline and history was, yet again, recorded improperly... Even though Faust is a fictional story and it's really stupid to say that the person who wrote that story "got it wrong" when describing a fictional character in their own work of fiction. I'm not really a fan of servants sourcing from fiction, either. I didn't like Fran, I don't like Hyde, Holmes, Moriarty, and I don't like Gay Clown. I'm forced to accept distinctly fictional servants existing in Rider and Lancer's timelines because Hyde and Fran are canon to their respective timelines, but that doesn't mean I have to accept them in this timeline.

I also just don't like the gay clown aesthetic. Sue me.

However, as much as I don't have a problem with Assassin Kerry, his knives having the properties of his Origin Rounds means I have to disallow their use.
 
And it's also purely reliant on bugs, which we most certainly can't project. If you want something that attacks magic circuits, Phantasm Punishment works, but 1. good f***ing luck trying to hit anyone with it, and 2. I'm willing to bet that SVS doesn't like Assassin Kiritsugu either.
SVS already banned the use of Kiritsugu's kit in thread 1, Servant or otherwise. Kinda like Rule Breaker.
It's a Noble Phantasm that manifests a Curse in the form of "bugs" after detonation of the spiritual bombs, not just bugs. Much like Avenger's Noble Phantasm Verg Avesta manifests curses despite being Avenger's knife as noted in the visual novel. It also helps that Mephistopheles carries around his scissors and they aren't noted to be a Nameless weapon, and he explicitly wields it like a casting tool somatically when using his Noble Phantasm. ^^
 
I didn't like Fran, I don't like Hyde, Holmes, Moriarty, and I don't like Gay Clown.
FINALLY! SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME! Like, Sasaki's whole thing already provides an excuse to use blatantly 100% fictional characters as Servants (and Sasaki also pisses me off because he's 100% historically proven to be a real guy), why do you need to make them a thing when there's absolutely no canonical way they could have happened?

SVS already banned the use of Kiritsugu's kit in thread 1, Servant or otherwise.
Fair's fair.

[X] Plan: Thanks, Swedish
-[X] Keep watch for a little while longer; maybe she'll come out
--[X] Also report back to Homura with news of her destination; if this is the enemy's hideout, she'll want to know
---[X] Check if it's viable to destroy the place and leave quietly
-[X] Google this teddy bear museum
--[X] Wasn't one of the enemy magical girls using a teddy bear army?
 
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It's a Noble Phantasm that manifests a Curse in the form of "bugs" after detonation of the spiritual bombs, not just bugs. Much like Avenger's Noble Phantasm Verg Avesta manifests curses despite being Avenger's knife as noted in the visual novel. It also helps that Mephistopheles carries around his scissors and they aren't noted to be a Nameless weapon, and he explicitly wields it like a casting tool somatically when using his Noble Phantasm.
At any rate, I need for you to explain how Gay Clown's Gay Clown Scissors would work if you want me to use them. Archer plants them around the museum, and then what? Do they home in on the enemy by burrowing through the ground, or do they just hop on anyone that leaves the museum? What happens once they're attached? Do they explode automatically, are they on a timer, or is it detonate-on-command? How strong is the explosion, and how much would be left of the person being blown up after the fact?

Also, both you and @PlaguePaladin are missing the Homura half of the vote. Sorry Plague, didn't see you there.
 
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