Confringentur 2; a Madoka Magica / Fate/Stay Night sequel

Might I then suggest the Sword of Paracelsus? We've traced it before; and Aife can actually use it to the fullest, unlike us. Question is on if Caren can support it; it is a passive A+ rank, after all, and the reason why we haven't given Diarmuid his spears yet is because Hitomi couldn't handle the extra Noble Phantasms.
That is definitely going in my next plan, though I need to ask SVS a few questions first. By the way, Diarmuid's spears are extremely cost effective in that they don't have any magical effects that require the use of a True Name, so there's no reason for Archer not to Project them for Diarmuid next time they get together. Heck, Diarmuid's original and most optimal fighting style is with one of the blades and one of his spears, so it would only capitalize on his existing skills even further.

So @SVS, I've been using this map in order to discern locations in general, though could you tell us again where the Mikuni residence is again? As well as where Asunaro is in relation to Mitakihara and anything especially pertinent? Asking for future plan making and not feeling up to digging through years worth of posts. 😅
 
Would it have been too on the nose if I had made him Niko's servant?
Yes, yes it would have been. Especially if you replaced his portrait with a picture of a certain other Paracelsus.

You feeling okay there, pal? Are you seeing votes that aren't there?
i'm so tired

Heck, Diarmuid's original and most optimal fighting style is with one of the blades and one of his spears, so it would only capitalize on his existing skills even further.
We already had this general discussion on page 36; point is that Hitomi rank-downs Diarmuid already and can barely support him, and unlike Shirou this time it's because she straight-up lacks the mana rather than being inexperienced, so even though it would be cost efficient, it's not cost efficient enough. On the plan; should we try rune-training? Not everyone is going to be present, but there'll be enough that it should matter come the next fight. Honestly, I'm kind of itching to bust out a certain shitty chart that I made a few weeks ago in a tired half-asleep rampage.
 
That is definitely going in my next plan, though I need to ask SVS a few questions first.
Questions I am not confident in my ability to answer, because I do not possess a doctorate in deciphering the fevered ramblings of a crackhead. But ask away. Maybe I'll surprise myself.
though could you tell us again where the Mikuni residence is again? As well as where Asunaro is in relation to Mitakihara and anything especially pertinent? Asking for future plan making and not feeling up to digging through years worth of posts.
Shirome is to the northwest, past the date and time marker. Neither that map nor the clean one are perfectly to scale, so even though it looks like Homura's apartment would be equidistant between Mami and Oriko, it really isn't.

I don't believe I ever mentioned where Asunaro is in relation to Mitakihara, not even when Archer went to investigate the first time. I checked too, and didn't see anything mentioning direction or time to travel. All I can say is that Asunaro and Mitakihara are in the same district in the Kanagawa prefecture, and I kind of want to say Asunaro would be to the west, since Kazamino is east and Shirome is northwest, and south is the port and seaboard. That makes the most sense.
Yes, yes it would have been. Especially if you replaced his portrait with a picture of a certain other Paracelsus.
I'm not going to lie, I just might have. I can't get over Fate's version of him being a long-haired pretty-boy brunet, when I'm so used to him being a rugged and chiseled blond.
 
---[] (Archer) If Assassin needs an incentive to participate in base construction other than the fact that it's necessary for the war effort, offer her one of your "items" that'll boost her physical parameters back up to snuff next time they get into battle (Goddess of War: War God's Military Sash) through Homura
Good plan all around, but isn't Goddess of War a Divine Construct? We might need to grab a different buffing NP.
 
Good plan all around, but isn't Goddess of War a Divine Construct? We might need to grab a different buffing NP.
Already decided on Sword of Paracelcus; but aside from that, this discussion was actually had about Excalibur in the last thread. The answer is; just because something is a Divine Construct doesn't mean Archer can't replicate it; after all, he projected Ig-Alima and Sul-sagana, which are both Divine Constructs. I think SVS ruled that he can make them, it's just that Divine Constructs tend to be more powerful than Shirou can make with just B-rank mana.

On that note, combining Goddess of War and the Sword of Paracelsus would be a mean combination if Caren thinks she can support them.
 
Archer is very good at making plans of action against targets using his Eye of the Mind, and therefore will be a very useful advisor while they construct the thing since he's the only one with the skill out of all of them (aside barring maybe Homura in the non-Servant equivalent).
Archer is good at making plans but is he good at overseeing defenses because base on his history he never did anything that relates to fortified defenses like this. I think Gilgamesh is more suited for this task and should let him have the freedom to construct it combined with SNI he can build a more formidable base than the enemy Caster after all he did built Uruk.
 
Good plan all around, but isn't Goddess of War a Divine Construct? We might need to grab a different buffing NP.
Already decided on Sword of Paracelcus; but aside from that, this discussion was actually had about Excalibur in the last thread. The answer is; just because something is a Divine Construct doesn't mean Archer can't replicate it; after all, he projected Ig-Alima and Sul-sagana, which are both Divine Constructs. I think SVS ruled that he can make them, it's just that Divine Constructs tend to be more powerful than Shirou can make with just B-rank mana.
Archer can not Project Divine Constructs due to the simple reason of lacking the mana to recreate the data to do it without obscene amounts of magical energy. There's a reason Projected Excalibur is called Excalibur Image after all, as it's more "hollow". The data in question has to do more with that modern Reality lacks certain traits or materials that used to exist in ages past, so even if they're perfectly recorded in UBW recreating a Divine Construct with data that no longer exists in modern Reality becomes a chore and a half.

Archer hasn't Projected Ig-Alima and Sul-sugana, they were simply recorded in his UBW and were deployed within it accordingly. Goddess of War isn't a Divine Construct explicitly, but rather simply just an item created by a God. A Divine Construct version of the thing would probably require some kind of Unobtanium or Godly material to be used in it's creation, which they weren't.
On that note, combining Goddess of War and the Sword of Paracelsus would be a mean combination if Caren thinks she can support them.
Just going to remind everyone that stuff Archer Projects has it's passive costs covered by him, and that passive stuff doesn't cost anything in addition to the cost of Projecting it in the first place. So yeah, Archer could totally just Project Saber's spears as none of the cost would befall upon Saber (forgot to mention that earlier). Passive costs are usually noted in the NP description when they're a thing.

EDIT: Also @SVS, you never mentioned in your answer above, but where's the Mikuni residence again? Also where Wallyworld's corpse is buried at if you can, and also if there are any zones still under reconstruction.
 
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Archer can not Project Divine Constructs due to the simple reason of lacking the mana to recreate the data to do it without obscene amounts of magical energy. There's a reason Projected Excalibur is called Excalibur Image after all, as it's more "hollow". The data in question has to do more with that modern Reality lacks certain traits or materials that used to exist in ages past, so even if they're perfectly recorded in UBW recreating a Divine Construct with data that no longer exists in modern Reality becomes a chore and a half.
Archer hasn't Projected Ig-Alima and Sul-sugana, they were simply recorded in his UBW and were deployed within it accordingly. Goddess of War isn't a Divine Construct explicitly, but rather simply just an item created by a God. A Divine Construct version of the thing would probably require some kind of Unobtanium or Godly material to be used in it's creation, which they weren't.
Well, you're kinda right. Again from the wiki;
Shirou Emiya reproduces it with Projection, noted to be a praiseworthy feat by Gilgamesh due to it being a Divine Construct, being called Ig-Alima: Green Field Cutting Through the Thousand Mountains - Fake. However, Shirou's projection of the sword was hollow, thus it wasn't a complete copy of the the Ig-Alima.
So while he can technically trace Divine Constructs, they suffer even more degradation than regular NPs, which often means that if a non-Divine Construct weapon exists with the same function, it will likely be better than the traced Divine Construct.
 
EDIT: Also @SVS, you never mentioned in your answer above, but where's the Mikuni residence again? Also where Wallyworld's corpse is buried at if you can, and also if there are any zones still under reconstruction.
Yes I did. Oriko's mansion is in Shirome. Shirome is to the northwest of Mitakihara. Thus, Oriko's mansion is to the northwest of Mitakihara. I thought we all knew that Oriko lived in Shirome, and that was why travel time for her was such a hassle. Wallyworld's Grief Seed fell somewhere close to the southern tip of the city. It's paved over now with no chance of us getting to it without breaking out the corruption-resistant excavation equipment, and even then we have to be prepared to repair all the damage we'll need to have done in order to get to it.

There are still parts of the city being rebuilt, but it's more of a random scattering of wherever was deemed not important enough to be of immediate concern + wherever the city couldn't afford to rebuilt at that time.
Well, you're kinda right. Again from the wiki;
So while he can technically trace Divine Constructs, they suffer even more degradation than regular NPs, which often means that if a non-Divine Construct weapon exists with the same function, it will likely be better than the traced Divine Construct.
That's the Shirou from Prisma Illya who made Ig-Alima, not the Shirou from our timeline.
 
So while he can technically trace Divine Constructs, they suffer even more degradation than regular NPs, which often means that if a non-Divine Construct weapon exists with the same function, it will likely be better than the traced Divine Construct.
Well, yes, technically Archer could Project any Divine Construct he wanted, but in order to get anywhere near the quality that he'd need in order to do something with it he'd have to overspend on magical energy such that as a Servant he'd disappear right after projecting Excalibur up to the level of his usual Projections (1 rank below). If I'm recalling correctly, Shirou from the Prisma Illya movie only used those as a bridge, probably not Projecting enough of them to be truly battle worthy aside from their sheer weight and size.
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I thought we all knew that Oriko lived in Shirome
Sorry, forgot. I blame my leave of absence for that. 😅
 
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Don't mind me, just uploading a WIP of Mitakihara as I understand things. Any additional info to further refine the map would be welcome. :)

EDIT: Oh, forgot to vote.

[X] Plan Base Building 101
-[X] Reject
--[X] Madoka has one of her clubs today, and you don't want to make her feel left out
---[X] Telepathically inform Kyoko to keep Rider near them at all times on the lookout and ready to exfiltrate them if the Saints try to attack them in broad daylight; you'll keep Archer ready to level their apparent base with extreme prejudice if the Saints take things to their civilian lives and put many others in danger by proximity
-[X] Coordinate with Oriko and Lancer, Caster, and Assassin if she wishes to aid the war effort, in constructing a base of operations and fortifying it as much as possible through Runes, Territory Creation, and Noble Phantasms
--[X] You could search for optimum base locations to set up at by consulting Oriko and Caster, ideally someplace along the local leyline/river
--[X] Keep in touch with Archer throughout all of the base construction plans to get his advice from time to time on how to prevent certain avenues of attack (Eye of the Mind (True)) as well as getting updates on the Saints' movements, and check in with Kyoko periodically
---[X] (Archer) If Assassin needs an incentive to participate in base construction other than the fact that it's necessary for the war effort, offer her the use of one of your "items" that'll boost her Magecraft back up to snuff (Sword of Paracelsus) through Homura; deliver it real quick using your Servant speed if she needs it during the construction process

Basically the same as my last proposal. I still think they should construct a base of operations that isn't their home, lest the enemy bombard it and potentially destroy it while they're there; at least this way said homes will more likely be out of the line of fire than otherwise. Also I doubt that Caster would want a bunch of other people (read, Rune users) infringing on his primary Territory/personal space, so a place where they could all collaborate would be nice. Also direct leyline goodness to fuel said base's defenses.

Also @Random Paul, Archer would be acting as an advisor via being able to think in a cunning, ruthless way a la being a Counter Guardian, not to mention he almost assuredly has experience in clearing or destroying fortified positions from said work. While Caster and Oriko can see the future, they don't exactly think of every little possibility that someone devious or ruthless enough could accomplish.
 
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@Enetious But Archer isn't a Counter Guardian here he is a Servant while he can act Ruthlessly here he still has morals and codes that he will not cross unlike True Counter Guardian Emiya with his will being completely subverted by Counter Force to kill people. Also there is a difference between Oriko and Caster. Oriko can only see only limited amount of futures Caster on the other hand can see most. Also Caster can be more cunning and ruthless than Archer when it comes to it.

[X] Enetious
 
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....that Christmas Omake gave me so much diabetes it sent me into a Christmas Coma.

[X] Enetious

Could we set up some type of alarm along the train tracks? Cause it looks like the Saints might've used the train to get directly to the Sakura Church.
 
[X] Enetious

*Sees The last pages, filled of conversations*

...Damn, I did missed some things, didn't I?
 
Don't mind me, just uploading a WIP of Mitakihara as I understand things. Any additional info to further refine the map would be welcome.
Wally's Grief Seed fell a lot closer to the ports, since we were able to stop it from advancing pretty early on. It would be more accurate to place it between where you've written "Schooling District" and where you've placed the school marker.

There's also two other markers you might want to place, even though they aren't marked on the map. There's the high school where Alina Gray and Mami attend, which is between the Overpass and your current Wallyworld Seed marker, and Hitomi's house, which is, if you look on the regular map, by the trio of brown buildings and the arches, on the other side of the train tracks from Downtown.
....that Christmas Omake gave me so much diabetes it sent me into a Christmas Coma.
Sorry. Next time I'll remember to package insulin shots with every omake.
Could we set up some type of alarm along the train tracks? Cause it looks like the Saints might've used the train to get directly to the Sakura Church.
We could, but there's two problems that I see:
- A bunch of strangers doing "work" along the train tracks that aren't railway employees? Sounds like a surefire way to get Caster, Lancer, Archer, and Assassin reported to the authorities for potentially being terrorists. Then Assassin kills them all because she's NE and "It's what my character would do!" so then we all have to bail her out, taking additional time and effort away from the war effort.
- If we can't prove the Saints are coming by rail, then we're just wasting the above time and effort needlessly.

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[X] Plan Rogal Dorn II
I've been trying to get us away from the funny haha memes or names that are completely incoherent/irrelevant to the vote at hand when naming our vote plans, for the consideration of readers who don't also read the discussion and who otherwise wouldn't know what the vote was/is trying to do. I know you weren't here for that conversation, so I won't give you the third degree over this, but in the future try to keep your plan names related to the vote they're describing.
 
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I've been trying to get us away from the funny haha memes or names that are completely incoherent/irrelevant to the vote at hand when naming our vote plans, for the consideration of readers who don't also read the discussion and who otherwise wouldn't know what the vote was/is trying to do. I know you weren't here for that conversation, so I won't give you the third degree over this, but in the future try to keep your plan names related to the vote they're describing.
Ah, sorry about that. Changed the plan name since no one's voting with it anyway.

I replaced the map in my previous post with a more up to date version, thanks for the info! Anything else that you could think of, perhaps the exact location of the local leylines, or other notable markers like Alina's house or the mall (if it's not Downtown)?
 
Day 3 Chapter 6
[X] Plan Base Building 101



Finally, you think as the last bell of the day rings. You pack your things into your bag and make ready to head out when Sayaka approaches your desk, stopping you to ask "Hey Homura, you wanna go to the mall with me and Kyouko?" You weren't expecting an invite from Sayaka, much less when there are other things you should be taking care of. Something you're sure she knows. "I was thinking it'd just be us at first, but then I thought maybe you and Hitomi would like to come with us, since I doubt you'll have much time to just hang out in the future."

"What were you thinking we would do at the mall?"

Sayaka shrugged her shoulders. "I dunno," she said, evidently having not thought that far ahead. "We could go to the arcade, go shopping, get something to eat at the food court... You know, just general hanging out stuff, I guess. It's been awhile since we just hung out together, you know? So, you interested?"

A few desks over, you catch Kyouko approaching Hitomi, presumably about the same offer which Sayaka has presented you with. Inside you, part of you wants to accept Sayaka's offer. Things are about to get hectic, and having a few moments of reprieve may be what your mind needs, something to hold onto in the dark and the heat of battle to center you. But then you recall the events of last night. The Pleiades Saints are intent on waging a war of annihilation against your faction, and proved last night their willingness to accept collateral damage as the cost of defeating you. What's to stop them from attacking in broad daylight? Even with you, Kyouko, Hitomi, and your servants, would that be enough if the Saints brought their full force to bear against you? What about Sayaka? She's got no way of fighting back; one wrong move, one serious injury, might force this timeline down a dark path you aren't prepared to accept.

"I'm sorry," you say after some consideration of the costs. "But Madoka has one of her clubs today, and I'd hate to make her feel left out if I went without her."

"Hey, no problem," Sayaka replies. "I get it, okay? Maybe we'll try again for Sunday or next Wednesday when we can all get together?"

"Maybe." You don't know if you'll be able to accept Sayaka's offer then, either. How long can you reject her offers? Your eyes shoot over to Kyouko; by the look of things, she's convinced Hitomi to come along. "Make sure you two keep your servants nearby in case you're attacked," you say to the pair. "We can't afford to take any chances. If you're attacked, focus on getting out rather than on fighting."

"Then why don't'cha come with us, Spooky? If we got Archer watching us, it'll be easier fer us than if we've just got Rider and a Saber who can't do shit."

"I have Archer doing overwatch at a location he believes to be the Saints' base of operations. If you're attacked, let me know and I'll have Archer level the building, hopefully with at one a couple of them still inside."

"Man, that's ruthless."

"We don't have a choice. They've displayed their willingness to be ruthless first."


Sayaka cuts in between Kyouko and Hitomi, wrapping an arm around each of their shoulders. For a brief moment, you can see the trio wearing the blue-and-green uniform of the school they attended in Chigasaki as they leave down the hallway, before the image fades and the tan-and-black Mitakihara uniform is back where it belongs. You know Hitomi wishes she could still attend Chigasaki to be with her boyfriend, so maybe her reason for accepting to hang out in spite of the danger present is the reminder being with the pair brings to her of that time. You hope Saber and Rider are enough to get the trio to safety; certainly they wouldn't be enough against the enemy's own Saber and Rider servants.

As for yourself, you've got the war effort to consider. Given Archer's information, chances are good the Saints aren't operating out of individual residences. That's an advantage to them, because if they attack one of your side's bases of operation, that's someone's residence. Given Archer's information, your team should also be thinking about establishing a neutral base of operations that isn't any one teammate's residence; And you know just who to get in contact with.

"Tomoe-san, Oriko, I need your help in setting up a neutral base of operations for us to operate out of. We'll need Oriko and Caster to find a suitable location, and Caster and Lancer to do the actual building and fortifying."

"Won't that take some time to construct?"
Tomoe-san asks. "Do we have the time to spare, when those girls are already attacking us? Wouldn't it have been better if we had done this before?"

"It would have,"
Oriko chimes in. "I'm so sorry for not noticing this happening sooner. I was so focused on everything going on with those strange witches that I completely missed checking for anything else."

"If they were able to avoid being seen until they wanted us to see them last night, then chances are good they have ways of avoiding your precognition. You don't need to feel bad about not seeing them,"
you say to Oriko. "Granted, that doesn't change the fact that we should have done this earlier, but it isn't your fault that we didn't." You know Oriko has problems dealing with guilt. You know telling her it isn't her fault likely won't be enough. "If you still feel like you need to make it up to us, then can you get in touch with Nurse Ortensia and ask her if Assassin would be willing to lend a hand with this as well? She knows the runes, so she could probably help Lancer with setting things up."

"I can ask her, but..."
But you already know what she'll say. "Well, I'm worried that Assassin might not be very cooperative, given the relationship she has with Caren-san. Maybe if we had a way to placate her or, well, bribe her, I guess, we might have better luck, but I don't know that much about who Assassin is as a person to be able to say what we should consider offering to her."

"If you get in touch with Nurse Ortensia, I can ask Archer if there's anything he might be willing to gift Assassin with to keep her compliant."
You don't know what Archer might have to offer Assassin, but you're sure he probably has something that might succeed in appeasing her.

"Right. Are you working on anything in particular at the moment, Akemi-san?"

"As soon as I get home, I was going to do some research on the building Archer singled out. It's a teddy bear museum, and I'm hoping there might be something off about it I can find that'll give us useful information. Kyouko and Hitomi are off doing their own thing with Sayaka at the moment, but maybe once they're free and Kirika gets off work we can all get together and discuss this further, if you're both willing."

"Yes, that sounds agreeable. I assume I should bring Caster with me if we're not meeting at my apartment?"

"I assume so. I'll be bringing Lancer with me if we're not meeting at the mansion. What about you, Akemi-san? Will you be bringing Archer with you if we aren't meeting at your apartment?"

"Possibly,"
you reply. "Currently, I have Archer doing overwatch at a location he thinks could be the Saints' base of operations. It'll depend on whether I can afford to pull him away from that. But if I can afford to, then it's likely he'll be joining us. I'm sure he's got some good insights we'll want to take into consideration."

Amy is the only member of your household to greet you as you return to the apartment. As you take your shoes off, she nuzzles in turn each of your legs as you remove each shoe from the opposite foot to the leg being nuzzled. Once both your shoes are off, you lean down to scratch the back of her head, to which she responds with a content "Mew" in typical Amy fashion. "I've got some work I need to do for a little while," you say as Amy follows you into your room. "I'll be more than happy to play with you when I'm finished, okay?" Again, a content-sounding "Mew" is al the response you get, but it's enough. "That's a good girl."

You sit down at your desk and open up your laptop, which still displays the results from last night's searches on Sigurd and Ramesses. You clear them, and type in "Angelica Bears" into the search bar int heir place. "Let's see what you're all about," you say as the search engine generates your results. "Not bad."

The museum has a website, which is good news for you; and although it's a fairly new establishment at less than a year old, it has impressive collection of both vintage and contemporary bears, some dating back to over a hundred years ago. The website shows a floor plan of the museum; three floors and a basement, with the bulk of the exhibits being located on the first and second floors. It doesn't appear that anything is amiss with the floor plan; until you notice a strange irregularity.

Similar to the Mitakihara aquarium, the basement floor is attached to a subway station, with a rear entrance serving as an additional point of entry to the subway station. On the floor plan you count four elevators, clustered into two groups of two on either end of the museum's wing exhibits; but there's a fifth elevator located near the rear entrance that doesn't appear to actually go to any other floor of the museum. As if it goes down instead of up. Is that access for subway workers; a blueprinting error; or is there something else at play here? You print out a copy of the museum's floor plan, circling the location of the mystery elevator with a red marker.

Do you
[ ] Have Archer investigate the fifth elevator
[ ] Investigate the fifth elevator for yourself
[ ] Wait and assemble a team to investigate later
[ ] Other (write-in)

While you wait to hear back from the others, do you
[ ] Do your homework
[ ] Practice runes/magecraft
[ ] Play with Amy
[ ] Watch TV/play videogames
[ ] Other (write-in)

[ ] Aside from base construction, is there anything else you need to address at the meeting tonight? (write-in)
 
The winning vote seemed to assume that we would have our new base up and running by the end of the update. This wasn't exactly possible, as it took Lancer and Caster a few days to set up the vastly-less-complicated barricade along the southern seaboard in preparation for Wallyworld, meaning it'll take us at least that long to have our new base up and running. We do, however, have the groundwork laid for getting base construction underway; we've addressed getting the requested people on board, and I've even thrown in a little bit of us looking up Angelica Bears since.
I replaced the map in my previous post with a more up to date version, thanks for the info! Anything else that you could think of, perhaps the exact location of the local leylines, or other notable markers like Alina's house or the mall (if it's not Downtown)?
I never really decided where Alina should live, since that was never really all that important to me to know. The local leylines travel along the river and the train tracks, with several branches reaching south away from the city sprawl, one major knot of leylines formed around the park and Madoka's house, and another major knot taking up the part of the school district that's above the train tracks.
 
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