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Nixeu said:
I mean...we could probably make those, too, if we wanted. We do have the examples to work from. Something like the Colossus of Rhodes, on the other hand, would be a much less accurate reproduction.

As for building new Battleships, we could probably scrape by with parts that might not 100% match, but are close enough. Hell, we could probably do fine with any sort of mechanism for the internals that does what we need it to. While the infrastructure is a bit of a bugger, the infrastructure isn't impossible. It'd just be expensive.
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If we were building brand new battleships, the old designs wouldn't matter that much. The issue on the table was maintaining what we have in a fighting condition. Either way, you're right, it would be expensive. WWII was tremendously expensive. The question in story is would we want to pass the war debt on to our grandchildren, or a world whose oceans are ruled by abyssals...
 
Rancher_357 said:
If we were building brand new battleships, the old designs wouldn't matter that much. The issue on the table was maintaining what we have in a fighting condition. Either way, you're right, it would be expensive. WWII was tremendously expensive. The question in story is would we want to pass the war debt on to our grandchildren, or a world whose oceans are ruled by abyssals...
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...Right. I think I lost track of the discussion, mostly because of being tired. Sorry about that.

And, yeah, as you've stated previously, we could probably do custom machining for a lot of the smaller parts. File down other, similar gears until they fit, shorten pins or screws, or even just make some one-off dies or molds, amongst many other things. Hell, depending on the sort of tooling needed, you might be able to make do with custom-made replacements for that, as well. There are probably a lot of facilities that could be repurposed to make the medium and large parts, as well.
 
I just thought of something.

Can Mo, with her WW2 era radar, determine a position relative to herself, and then her crew use a satellite ping for a GPS location, leading to a highly accurate location of the enemy fleet?

If so, I just had a thought:

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The President: "Thank you for the coordinates, Captain. We'll do what we can, and hope it works."

Chief of Staff: "Sir, I have Cheyenne Mountain on the line, and the codes are ready."
 
Saratoga, Nagato, Prinz Eugen, and the other members of the Bikini Atoll Beach Club would like to have a word with you about exactly how hard it is to sink warships with a nuke. The CEP of modern ICBMs and the yields of their warheads might be up to it on their own, but WTF knows what MSAB will do their accuracy.
 
Trace Coburn said:
Saratoga, Nagato, Prinz Eugen, and the other members of the Bikini Atoll Beach Club would like to have a word with you about exactly how hard it is to sink warships with a nuke. The CEP of modern ICBMs and the yields of their warheads might be up to it on their own, but WTF knows what MSAB will do their accuracy.
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Not to mention that in order to actually kill an entire Abyssal TF, you're likely to need to hit them with an entire nuclear arsenal to finish the job. A single nuke won't do it, but I highly doubt that they'll survive a few -dozen-.

On the other hand, now you have to explain to the world at large why you needed to irradiate the entire goddamn ocean, which is probably going to make the entire Abyssal situation -worse- in the long run.
 
I personally think the militaries of the world should just turn their continental shelves into minefields. Wouldn't be hard if you use simple, cheap ones, and leave narrow passage ways open for commercial shipping that require an on-board navigation system. Then all surface assets are much harder to get to places that the humans don't want.
 
Gearhead said:
Of course, the industry required to build such things is also a bit on the thin side.
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Exactly, the STEEL manufacturing industry now is a shadow of itself compared to the 30's and 40's. Even if the resources were available to build more steel hull battleships, most of the technological advances of the last 70 years would be rendered moot by the leveling effect.

Basically it's like asking Ford to start making Model T's again. Possible, but exceedingly expensive and time consuming, which is not something you do during war if you can help it:

"Ask me for anything but time..." - Napoleon Bonaparte
 
Farmerbob1 said:
I just thought of something.

Can Mo, with her WW2 era radar, determine a position relative to herself, and then her crew use a satellite ping for a GPS location, leading to a highly accurate location of the enemy fleet?

If so, I just had a thought:

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The President: "Thank you for the coordinates, Captain. We'll do what we can, and hope it works."

Chief of Staff: "Sir, I have Cheyenne Mountain on the line, and the codes are ready."
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That would as effective as trying to blow up Remagen bridge with V2:s. Ballistic missiles at the time could not even hit London 50% of time, a target that has well known coordinates and is huge. How are they going to hit comparitively small targets that are moving?
 
PAGDTenno said:
Rods From God are a terrible tactical weapon.
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Not to mention still in the realm of science-fiction. Unless the space-programme is vastly more advanced in this universe than it is in ours, and I suspect @theJMPer would have made (even a throwaway) mention to that effect were it so.

Glitchrr36 said:
I personally think the militaries of the world should just turn their continental shelves into minefields. Wouldn't be hard if you use simple, cheap ones, and leave narrow passage ways open for commercial shipping that require an on-board navigation system. Then all surface assets are much harder to get to places that the humans don't want.
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:facepalm: Why not just build a Dyson Sphere and evacuate the whole human race into it, while you're at it!? Do you have any idea how many billion cubic kilometres of water you're talking about filling with mines? Even if that many sea-mines could even be produced — and I suspect that providing fields of the requisite densities would require more steel and explosives than have ever been produced in the history of the world! — simply laying the things would take millennia! :facepalm: Not to mention the problems with maintaining the minefields against ocean currents, Abyssal minesweeping efforts, weather and tectonic activity, or the fact that mines can break loose from their tethers and wander into your 'safe corridors' with trivial ease, or, or, or, or....
 
Minefields laid to block approaches would work. 'Glass-nose' B-52s retrofitted with Norden Bombsights and Mk 82-84 bombs might help (accuracy would probably be shit, but setting them on fire with HE would slow them down). Is it possible to retrofit the F/A-18C/D to carry a torpedo?
 
baofengyu said:
Minefields laid to block approaches would work. 'Glass-nose' B-52s retrofitted with Norden Bombsights and Mk 82-84 bombs might help (accuracy would probably be shit, but setting them on fire with HE would slow them down). Is it possible to retrofit the F/A-18C/D to carry a torpedo?
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They tried the Glass Nose planes before. They could barely hit Habbakuk, which was a mile long carrier sitting dead still in the water. How are they going to hit Bismark and co.? Modern weapons are really, really bad against the Abyssals. That's why the Shipgirls needed to be a thing. Remember also that high end Abyssals seem to bring horrible storms with them, so targeting from above easy Anti-aircraft range is nearly impossible to start with
 
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Arawn_Emrys said:
They tried the Glass Nose planes before. They could barely hit Habbakuk, which was a mile long carrier sitting dead still in the water. How are they going to hit Bismark and co.? Modern weapons are really, really bad against the Abyssals. That's why the Shipgirls needed to be a thing. Remember also that high end Abyssals seem to bring horrible storms with them, so targeting from above easy Anti-aircraft range is nearly impossible to start with
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The glass nose planes failed because they tried level bombing of a moving target, which has been historically rather unsuccessful.
 
Gearhead said:
Of course, the industry required to build such things is also a bit on the thin side.
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BigBadBen said:
try non existent. there is no factory in the world that has the knowledge to make parts for weapon systems built in the 1940's.
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Rancher_357 said:
Just depends on the parts. A lot of smaller parts would be able to be manufactured more quickly through the use of CNC machining. Other items might have to be manufactured the old way, but there are many skilled machinists in this country who would be up to the challenge. Some things would require the actual tooling to be made to make the parts, but that is hardly impossible. The U.S. may not have the numbers of manufacturing facilities and shipyards that we had in 1944, but we didn't have those facilities in 1939 either. Demand will lead to production. It just takes a couple of years to spin it up.
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Really depends on what the part is. For the engines of the Iowas, a lot of the wear parts that need to be replaced have reasonably close analogues in today's shipping, power generation and aviation industries. Especially for the high power blowers and/or compressors for the boilers, which are one of the big things North Carolina was raided for during the 1980s reactivation, which I suspect would be one of the easier parts to get back into production if necessary.

Roaming_Guardian said:
What im hearing is that the Navy needs to start working on the worlds first jet powered dive bomber. Wonder if the A-10 could be retrofitted for that...
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Nah. They just need to start training on skip-bombing attacks with 2000 pound AP bombs.
 
From what I understand, humans can't see the abyssals except within visual range, unless that's changed since the early chapters, so Mo won't be able to do much until she has line of sight. That removes pretty much all the advantage she has due to advances in technology. It wouldn't be a modern naval battle, it would be a slugfest, and that's not good given the numbers advantage of the Abyssals. Even as a shipgirl she likely couldn't do it on her own against an Installation (what I'm guessing Ice Princess is, since she's bigger than the ships that are bigger than Bismark)
 
Axslashel said:
That would as effective as trying to blow up Remagen bridge with V2:s. Ballistic missiles at the time could not even hit London 50% of time, a target that has well known coordinates and is huge. How are they going to hit comparitively small targets that are moving?
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I don't think it would work that way.

Remember that Mo is providing the targeting data. The missiles would not be targeted at individual ships, but rather their position on the Earth. A GPS device on Mo should work just fine. In other words, the target is a place on the ocean, not a ship or fleet.

A single high yield nuclear detonation of a megaton-range nuclear device would make the bikini island tests look like bottle rockets.

Even if the Abyssal survived the air burst, anything in the air, if they have air support, would be scrap. Their radar would also be scrap. Mo's crew, hopefully nowhere near the blast, could detach/disassemble or build faraday cages around her radar assemblies, and then restore them to function after the blast.

There is also the possibility that there might be a boomer sub in the Pacific, fairly close to Hawaii that might be able to provide a faster delivery time using targeting data generated by Mo.
 
Arawn_Emrys said:
From what I understand, humans can't see the abyssals except within visual range, unless that's changed since the early chapters, so Mo won't be able to do much until she has line of sight. That removes pretty much all the advantage she has due to advances in technology. It wouldn't be a modern naval battle, it would be a slugfest, and that's not good given the numbers advantage of the Abyssals. Even as a shipgirl she likely couldn't do it on her own against an Installation (what I'm guessing Ice Princess is, since she's bigger than the ships that are bigger than Bismark)
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The Iowa's sensors do work against Abyssals. That's why they were deployed. They can't show what they're seeing to other ships, IIRC, and transferring the equipment to newer shops, again, IIRC, didn't work, but they can see Abyssals. The general conclusion is that Mo and Whisky are lending them a helping hand in detecting Abyssals via Magical Sparkly Shipgirl Bullsh*t.
 
Or you just bring back the Skyraider. It can be slung off a CVN, carries like 8000lb of bombs, and is acceptable in a high angle attack role (aka dive bombing). It was in service well into the 70s and was subsequently replaced by the A-10 in a low altitude attack role.

(specificallly the A1H Skyraider as it fitted dive brakes, center pylon rated for 3500 lbs of ord.)
 
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You know, instead of asking how to go about sinking Abyssmarck and Co, I think we should ask ourselves what'll follow when Mo sends all or most of those buggers to the bottom. Like, Who'll be able to be summoned next? I mean even if its just the two big nasty H-41's that get sent to bottom. That's still a lotta tonnage sent down by the USN. So I'll just place my bet on WeeVee coming back. Okay either her or South Dakota BB-57.
 
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