If this princess can make all the German equipment spirits work together, then it's possible that more powerful Abyssal princesses might get Japanese, German, and Italian spirits to work together seamlessly.

More likely, they'd be able to field conceptual military hardware. Stuff like Landkreuzer P1000 Rattes, microwave death rays (yes, the Japanese did have crude prototype MASER cannons in July 1945) and A9/A10 rockets... (or what we call ICBM's)
 
Landkreuzer P1000 Rattes
*eye twitch*

There was never anything more than the basic plans drawn up. Nothing on the machinery, the internal works, nothing. Habakkuk had a pre WWI destroyer sized scale model built, and everything else they've deployed was built. the Ratte, the Monster any of the super crazy battleship designs (A-150, anything with a prefix of H except for the 39's, the Montana's, etc.) will be not be able to show up, because they never existed passed the conceptual
 
*eye twitch*

the Montana's, etc.will be not be able to show up, because they never existed passed the conceptual

Hey, the Montana's got authorized by Congress. That has to count in their favor, even if they need to be borne of human and Shipgirl intercourse as ordained by the Ancient Mayan Prophesy and Congressional Order.

Although, on a humorous note I'd love to see Jersey's reaction to a Congresscritter telling her bald-faced she is the only shipyard left that can make modern battleships so four Montana please chop chop.
 
Hey, the Montana's got authorized by Congress. That has to count in their favor, even if they need to be borne of human and Shipgirl intercourse as ordained by the Ancient Mayan Prophesy and Congressional Order.
But they never left the drawing board, which, in this case, means they are non entities.

Although, on a humorous note I'd love to see Jersey's reaction to a Congresscritter telling her bald-faced she is the only shipyard left that can make modern battleships so four Montana please chop chop.
We'd need welding masks so as not to be scalded by the blush, a map, and a few mops. :V
Oh, and hearing protection for the inevitable denials. :D
 
[Muffled "ICHIBAN" in the distance]

Happy birthday Shiratsuyu

*eye twitch*

There was never anything more than the basic plans drawn up. Nothing on the machinery, the internal works, nothing. Habakkuk had a pre WWI destroyer sized scale model built, and everything else they've deployed was built. the Ratte, the Monster any of the super crazy battleship designs (A-150, anything with a prefix of H except for the 39's, the Montana's, etc.) will be not be able to show up, because they never existed passed the conceptual

The Ratte was real, Sniper Elite wouldn't lie to me
 
But they never left the drawing board, which, in this case, means they are non entities.

Which is why Jersey has to do the most terrible of things to into children; she must do design work herself. In other words, math.

(anyone familiar with KS and Tacfu knows I'm the numbers guy; so I can say this and not be of hypocrisy)

In more serious tones, though, the fact that they're not entities of their own right is a plus. After all, every ship to live and sink or scrap is its own etnity, yes? Would, therefore, it be correct to subordinate one ship to another arbitrarily and permanently? Divisions and fleets change, thus why tie two ships together by the bonds of motherhood who would rather be sisters in arms, equal of will? Rather, instead do not take the creation of new life and pervert it to bring forth those already alive. Let it create anew, as nature aught. To be of steel is but one part of their nature- it would do well to remember the other.
 
I'll note here that the Montanas had their design work essentially done by the time they were cancelled. USN design practice at the time broke the design work up into three stages. The first, Preliminary Design, was getting the design to the point of having a Spring Style ready to show people, one that showed them generally what the ship would look like, what it would have as combat systems, and how much it would cost; this is basically getting it to the stage of "getting SecNav and Congress to approve it." The second, Contract Design, took the work from Preliminary Design and did a much more elaborate version of it, one that was detailed enough that it could be used as the basis for competitive bids from the shipyards to get the construction contract (hence the name). The third phase, Detail Design, was done in concert with whatever yard was chosen as the lead yard for that class, and took the Contract Design and expanded it to the point where you had literally every single piece of the ship designed, to the point where you could just go ahead and start cutting metal as soon as you got the go-ahead from Congress and the Navy.

The Montanas were essentially through the Detail Design phase by the time they were cancelled; indeed, Illinois and Kentucky were originally going to be Montana-class ships, but were reordered as Iowas to get a couple more CV escorts out there. The only real reason that no actual construction work was started on the Montanas was because of a steel shortage that was later traced to misplaced priorities.

So no, Jersey wouldn't have to do any design work; I also say that they don't really qualify for the "napkinwaffen" status of the Ratte, the Monster, and the H-40 through H-44 designs, as we had them at the point where all we had to do was take the detailed design drawings to the molding loft, make the full-sized template copies of them, and then start cutting steel.
 
I'll note here that the Montanas had their design work essentially done by the time they were cancelled. USN design practice at the time broke the design work up into three stages. The first, Preliminary Design, was getting the design to the point of having a Spring Style ready to show people, one that showed them generally what the ship would look like, what it would have as combat systems, and how much it would cost; this is basically getting it to the stage of "getting SecNav and Congress to approve it." The second, Contract Design, took the work from Preliminary Design and did a much more elaborate version of it, one that was detailed enough that it could be used as the basis for competitive bids from the shipyards to get the construction contract (hence the name). The third phase, Detail Design, was done in concert with whatever yard was chosen as the lead yard for that class, and took the Contract Design and expanded it to the point where you had literally every single piece of the ship designed, to the point where you could just go ahead and start cutting metal as soon as you got the go-ahead from Congress and the Navy.

The Montanas were essentially through the Detail Design phase by the time they were cancelled; indeed, Illinois and Kentucky were originally going to be Montana-class ships, but were reordered as Iowas to get a couple more CV escorts out there. The only real reason that no actual construction work was started on the Montanas was because of a steel shortage that was later traced to misplaced priorities.

So no, Jersey wouldn't have to do any design work; I also say that they don't really qualify for the "napkinwaffen" status of the Ratte, the Monster, and the H-40 through H-44 designs, as we had them at the point where all we had to do was take the detailed design drawings to the molding loft, make the full-sized template copies of them, and then start cutting steel.

It goes even beyond that, materials were being gathered for the Montana's even after they were officially cancelled, some of which wound up being used in the Midway's (mostly machinery and structural steel as well as the 5"/54 turrets). The Midway's effectively had the Montana machinery plant on a lighter hull (note that one of the reasons USS Franklin D Roosevelt was decommissioned when she was was the immense expense involved in upgrading the insanely subdivided machinery spaces). If you have access to Friedman's US Aircraft Carriers and US Battleships you can see the machinery space layout for the Montana's and Midways and see just how similar they are.
 
It goes even beyond that, materials were being gathered for the Montana's even after they were officially cancelled, some of which wound up being used in the Midway's (mostly machinery and structural steel as well as the 5"/54 turrets). The Midway's effectively had the Montana machinery plant on a lighter hull (note that one of the reasons USS Franklin D Roosevelt was decommissioned when she was was the immense expense involved in upgrading the insanely subdivided machinery spaces). If you have access to Friedman's US Aircraft Carriers and US Battleships you can see the machinery space layout for the Montana's and Midways and see just how similar they are.
You have no idea how disappointed I am that that wan't part of the tour. Granted, it's been almost nine years since I was aboard Midway, so I can't be certain. However, that does explain why the tour said it was a 'battleship's hull.' I thought it was a metaphor.
 
It's not. Not really.

While she isn't a conversion (being as no Montana was ever laid down) Midway is the closest you can get.
 
I don't know what those King Tigers are made of, but it's got to be bloody strong to resist a depleted uranium Sabot penetrator dart. As far as I'm aware, there's not a lot that can do that. However, if those King Tigers were just normal versions made of RHA steel, that dart would have gone straight through that slope, heck straight through the thick armour beak where the upper and lower glacis plates meet. If the Abras keeps its front to the Tigers in return, not even the high penetration tungsten core APCR rounds would go through.

Another thing that should be pointed out, is that the Abrams is not a medium tank by any standards. It's an MBT, Main Battle Tank, something that fulfills almost all battlefield roles that required different types of AFV (light, medium, heavy, tank destroyer) in WW2. By WW2 standards, it wouldn't even be a super manoeuvrable heavy tank, it would be a wunderwaffe.
 
I don't know what those King Tigers are made of, but it's got to be bloody strong to resist a depleted uranium Sabot penetrator dart. As far as I'm aware, there's not a lot that can do that...
Repeat after me:

Magical... Tenebrous... Abyssal... Bullshit.

As noted earlier, we're talking about an evil magical force so powerful it can overcome World War Two German interservice rivalry. What chance do sabot rounds have against it?

Another thing that should be pointed out, is that the Abrams is not a medium tank by any standards. It's an MBT, Main Battle Tank, something that fulfills almost all battlefield roles that required different types of AFV (light, medium, heavy, tank destroyer) in WW2. By WW2 standards, it wouldn't even be a super manoeuvrable heavy tank, it would be a wunderwaffe.
Levelling... Effect
 
Repeat after me:

Magical... Tenebrous... Abyssal... Bullshit.

As noted earlier, we're talking about an evil magical force so powerful it can overcome World War Two German interservice rivalry. What chance do sabot rounds have against it?

Levelling... Effect
Is that how the Leveling Effect works? Because I might of missed something and I don't remember it working like that...or am I misinterpreting something?
 
Because Flames of War is a great game that actually highlights the few strengths the Italians had in WWII in their kit (yes I'm a masochist and play the Ice Creams in that tabletop game) here's a few tidbits about Italian weapons that were actually better than the German equivalent:

1) Light anti-tank gun - the Italian 47/32 'Elefantino' AT gun had better penetration than the German 37 and 47mm AT guns and even the 50mm gun on the Panzer III. Where the Germans had to rely on 75mm tank guns or 88's to reliably penetrate British Matildas in France, in the desert the 47/32 was reported to be able to penetrate the Matilda's armor. It could be man-packed, jeep mounted, and was the main armament of the decent M14/41 and M15/42 Italian tanks.

2) Heavy AA/AT gun - the Italian Lancia 90/53 gun was slightly superior to the German 88 in the AT role in penetration and mobility (the Italians had a pretty simple if cumbersome truck mounted version).

3) air superiority fighter - Re2005 Sagittario. The Reggiano Archer was possibly the best damn fighter plane the Axis powers built in aesthetics and ability. It was one of the rarest of birds in that it could both Boom and Zoom and Turn fight.

4) medium tank - the P.40. Okay it wasn't better than the Panther or Tiger, but it was proof that the Italians could build a rough Sherman or Panzer IV equivalent tank in armor and armament with the P.40's 75mm gun an above average performer. Italian industry was the biggest downfall of this tank, especially with the delays in development and deployment thanks to Fiat's monopoly on all tank construction.

Anywho, not all Italian stuff was crap.
 
Is that how the Leveling Effect works? Because I might of missed something and I don't remember it working like that...or am I misinterpreting something?
120mm guns firing uranium sabots are the best antitank guns in the world (circa 2015). Therefore they will perform about as well against Abyssal hardware as the best antitank guns in the world (circa 1945). That is exactly how the leveling effect works.

This is probably not enough to achieve 100% reliable penetrations on the turret front of the Tiger II under battlefield conditions. Nonetheless, the Marines' victory in the face of extremely unfavorable odds indicates that most of the antitank rounds they fired penetrated. But it's worth remembering that those sabot rounds were contending with 180mm rolled homogeneous armor plus several hundred millimeters of Magical Tenebrous Abyssal Bullshit.
 
Is that how the Leveling Effect works? Because I might of missed something and I don't remember it working like that...or am I misinterpreting something?
120mm guns firing uranium sabots are the best antitank guns in the world (circa 2015). Therefore they will perform about as well against Abyssal hardware as the best antitank guns in the world (circa 1945). That is exactly how the leveling effect works.

This is probably not enough to achieve 100% reliable penetrations on the turret front of the Tiger II under battlefield conditions.
Considering the Russians found a Tiger II could penetrate itself at 400 meters, and the 122mm gun would frontally penetrate at over a thousand meters... I don't think that's how @theJMPer was using that definition for the Rheinmetall 120mm/L55.
 
I'm going to get back to writing cutes and suffering and Ara Ara. Or some combination thereof.

In the meantime...
 
I actually liked the tank scene from a literary perspective, even if I disagreed with classifying the Abrams as a 'medium'. The M1 series is the linear and spiritual descendant of the M26, which in WW2 terms was a *heavy* tank. It was reclassified during Korea due to the M103, which is also part of the Abrams ancestry and was unabashedly a heavy tank.

I'll also note that postwar trials, both in the Soviet Union and the US, demonstrated that the Konigstiger was *not* as good as its reputation made it out to be. The T15E1 90mm gun could reliably penetrate the Konigstiger from any angle and treated the Panther like a T-Rex against a chew toy. Even the 90mm M3 when using the T30E16 HVAP ammunition could penetrate fairly reliably (this gun/ammo combination is recorded in Hunnicutt as penetrating directly through the mantlet and frontal turret armor of a Tiger I, which is roughly equivalent in RHA equivalent to the frontal armor of a Tiger 2 accounting for slope and normalization).
 
In any case, we've been explicitly told that a vastly outnumbered force of Marine M1s, delivered over beachheads by amphibious craft, nevertheless managed to utterly and quickly defeat the defending force of heavy tanks.

About the only way TheJMPer could have made the fight more decisively won by the Abrams would have been to turn the story into "lol modern gear roflstomp Abyssals" and giving the Marines a complete, effortless walkover. Which is something we've all been very clear was not the way this story was going. If anyone has been following this story all along expecting "but modern hardware ought to crush WWII hardware," then I honestly don't know how they made it this far without figuring out that was never going to happen.
 
In any case, we've been explicitly told that a vastly outnumbered force of Marine M1s, delivered over beachheads by amphibious craft, nevertheless managed to utterly and quickly defeat the defending force of heavy tanks.

About the only way TheJMPer could have made the fight more decisively won by the Abrams would have been to turn the story into "lol modern gear roflstomp Abyssals" and giving the Marines a complete, effortless walkover. Which is something we've all been very clear was not the way this story was going. If anyone has been following this story all along expecting "but modern hardware ought to crush WWII hardware," then I honestly don't know how they made it this far without figuring out that was never going to happen.

Oh, I completely agree with you, hence why I said I loved the chapter from a literary and story perspective. Please take the quibble and bit of history as just that, quibble and history. The scene itself was awesome, and I loved the chapter overall.
 
Before I forget/go to the middle school...

We've also already had ships from different nations working together as Abyssals. Hell, from enemy nations. Iron had BB-Hime (for lack of a better nickname) working with Brit BBs and Italian cruisers. Japanese, Italian, and British Abyssals working as one fleet.

It looks to me like the force of a Princess' personality can override disputes based on the past. When Abyssals show a twisted view of such at least.
 
If you consider the Abrams a medium tank, where do tanks like the Challenger II, Leopard II, and Merkava Mk IV fit in your designation system?
 
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