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That said, this island was equipped with awfully good hardware. I imagine that the Abyssals have plenty of junior varsity ground combat and land-based air equipment either "stashed" in metaphysical space or being used wherever they're engaged in ground combat.

Some day we're going to encounter Abyssalized Japanese tanks. :D
 
Folks, it seems a bit wrong to be trying to argue fine points of the leveling effect with the author.

I strongly suspect that we could build a better tank than the Abrams now. I think the base design is over 30 years old.

The Abyssals probably manifest technology as it would have been if it worked perfectly. The late war German tanks were incredible machines when they were maintained and supplied properly. Abyssals don't have maintenance problems.

Sure, we can poke at the chapter with sharp sticks, but remember that we are dealing with conceptual technology brought to life by magic.
 
Even with the leveling effect, I had to stack the island with really-good late-war stuff to keep it competitive with a modern MEU. The Abrams might not be the best tank in the world, but it's still really damn good.
 
7734 said:
Oh, that's because I was too busy handling the "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! FRITZ X SPAM INBOUND! WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" on SB. Jesus fuck, can you not open a few Wikipedia pages at the same time? The only thing that could carry that Wunderwaffe was absent, and there's no way in hell they could jurry-rig a Schwalbe or Blitz to carry one and get it to hit the ground, let alone a ship.
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The jets, on their own, are fine. The tanks, on their own, are fine. But this is supposed to be a minor Outpost, and seeing them having the best of everything is somewhat worrisome.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Furthermore, while the Abrams is "a medium," it's entirely reasonable that the kind of medium it is would be, oh, like the handful of M26 Pershings armed with 90mm guns that the US got into the European Theater at the very end. Those were some good medium tanks and would laugh off a lot of WWII-era AT fire... they were good, they were effective, they just weren't immune.
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The Pershing was a heavy.
The US army at the time called it a heavy.
In Korea it was classified as a heavy.
The Pershing was designed as an answer to the Tiger I.
The M26 Pershing is a heavy tank.
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Also, I suspect ERA blocks are about as reliable against Abyssals as laser guided bombs are- because, like laser guidance, it was Not A Thing during World War Two.
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Actually, now that I think about it, there is something comparable to ERA. Ever heard of Spaced Armor? ERA is designed to beat HEAT rounds by creating a gap between the projectile and the hull, thus rendering the molten copper cone less effective. The germans might not have designed their spaced armor that way, but there were attempts by all countries to defeat HEAT projectiles like Panzerfausts. Sandbags, wire mesh, you get the idea.
7734 said:
Oh, that's because I was too busy handling the "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! FRITZ X SPAM INBOUND! WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" on SB. Jesus fuck, can you not open a few Wikipedia pages at the same time?
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As someone getting a degree in history, specializing in military history, and being the resident expert for a number of small WWII quests... Git gud.:V


PAGDTenno said:
The jets, on their own, are fine. The tanks, on their own, are fine. But this is supposed to be a minor Outpost, and seeing them having the best of everything is somewhat worrisome.
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Why? They still lost. It was't even an Iwo-Jima type victory where the US casualties outnumbered the enemy. They came with their best, and got their asses kicked. There really isn't a problem there.
 
PAGDTenno said:
The jets, on their own, are fine. The tanks, on their own, are fine. But this is supposed to be a minor Outpost, and seeing them having the best of everything is somewhat worrisome.
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I am confident that one of the reasons this section was written was to make larger, stronger Abyssal princesses more worrisome.

If this princess can make all the German equipment spirits work together, then it's possible that more powerful Abyssal princesses might get Japanese, German, and Italian spirits to work together seamlessly.

German ships, Japanese planes, and, err, Italian train schedules (I'm sure the Italians had some sort of good hardware, but I don't know what it might be.)
 
Always Late said:
The Pershing was a heavy.
The US army at the time called it a heavy.
In Korea it was classified as a heavy.
The Pershing was designed as an answer to the Tiger I.
The M26 Pershing is a heavy tank.

Actually, now that I think about it, there is something comparable to ERA. Ever heard of Spaced Armor? ERA is designed to beat HEAT rounds by creating a gap between the projectile and the hull, thus rendering the molten copper cone less effective. The germans might not have designed their spaced armor that way, but there were attempts by all countries to defeat HEAT projectiles like Panzerfausts. Sandbags, wire mesh, you get the idea.

As someone getting a degree in history, specializing in military history, and being the resident expert for a number of small WWII quests... Git gud.:V



Why? They still lost. It was't even an Iwo-Jima type victory where the US casualties outnumbered the enemy. They came with their best, and got their asses kicked. There really isn't a problem there.
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Lemme be a little bit clearer. If a minor Outpost has the best of everything that ever actually existed, what the hell are their main bases going to have?
 
Simon_Jester said:
Some day we're going to encounter Abyssalized Japanese tanks. :D
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Good thing their tanks were laughable then. Outside of their wunderbar super dream tank that came from a bad '80s anime, and was never built (tmk that is). It could be a problem. The rest of their tanks likely could be dealt with by Bradleys of all horrid things (and I view Bradleys as shit).
 
PAGDTenno said:
Lemme be a little bit clearer. If a minor Outpost has the best of everything that ever actually existed, what the hell are their main bases going to have?
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A lot more of it, and perhaps stuff from different nations working together. Perhaps even some Allied equipment. Habakkuk was an allied idea.

We still haven't seen Dora yet, and she and her sister were hands down the most powerful artillery ever built. 80 cm gun. The single gun massed more than some destroyers.

Nor have we seen V2 rockets.
 
Farmerbob1 said:
(I'm sure the Italians had some sort of good hardware, but I don't know what it might be.)
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People like to make fun of the Italians, but they actually had some really good hardware. I mean, the tanks sucked. But their Navy was top-notch for what it was intended to fight. I still maintain the Littorio-class to be the best (overall) of the treaty battleships. Their cruisers and DDs are perfectly good for their assigned jobs. The cruisers especially so...Zara and Pola in KC really don't stack up to their historical counterparts, which were very good ships.

Hell, an Italian submarine ended up switching hands from Italy to Germany to Japan, crossing the entire world to do so, and shot down a bomber after Japan surrendered. IIRC.

Italians had a good navy, yo.



(their issue was in Italy's industry not being up to supplying it. Same story for the Regia Aeronautica. Late-war Italian designs were very good planes...Italy just couldn't build them in any substantial numbers)
 
Sakuya's Butler said:
Good thing their tanks were laughable then. Outside of their wunderbar super dream tank that came from a bad '80s anime, and was never built (tmk that is). It could be a problem. The rest of their tanks likely could be dealt with by Bradleys of all horrid things (and I view Bradleys as shit).
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All of a sudden I had the image of Sparky literally spasming in his chair while making moans regarding Gavins and how they can prove their worth...
 
PAGDTenno said:
Lemme be a little bit clearer. If a minor Outpost has the best of everything that ever actually existed, what the hell are their main bases going to have?
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Farmerbob1 said:
Habakkuk was an allied idea.
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Given Hoppo, probably not much more.
7734 said:
Ahem. In the eternal words of Scipio Africanus, Machiavelli, and every two-cent fitbit trainer, "use it or loose it"
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What do you think I was doing over in Knight's quest a short time ago?:V
 
Always Late said:
The Pershing was a heavy.
The US army at the time called it a heavy.
In Korea it was classified as a heavy.
The Pershing was designed as an answer to the Tiger I.
The M26 Pershing is a heavy tank.
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Okay, fine, GEEZ. Consider me sufficiently shouted at.

Actually, now that I think about it, there is something comparable to ERA. Ever heard of Spaced Armor? ERA is designed to beat HEAT rounds by creating a gap between the projectile and the hull, thus rendering the molten copper cone less effective. The germans might not have designed their spaced armor that way, but there were attempts by all countries to defeat HEAT projectiles like Panzerfausts. Sandbags, wire mesh, you get the idea.
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Spaced armor isn't ERA. No go boom.

Farmerbob1 said:
German ships, Japanese planes, and, err, Italian train schedules (I'm sure the Italians had some sort of good hardware, but I don't know what it might be.)
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Mussolini, amusingly, never actually made the trains run on time. Even that most simple of things, he could not make happen. He just shouted a lot about how he had done so, and people believed him.

He really was the archetype of the tyrannical posturing blowhard for the 20th and 21st centuries.

Sakuya's Butler said:
Good thing their tanks were laughable then. Outside of their wunderbar super dream tank that came from a bad '80s anime, and was never built (tmk that is). It could be a problem. The rest of their tanks likely could be dealt with by Bradleys of all horrid things (and I view Bradleys as shit).
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That's the joke.
 
Always Late said:
What do you think I was doing over in Knight's quest a short time ago?:V
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Putting on your ushanka and vodka bottle and renewing your subscription to Vatnik Shitposters of America? Knight's Steel is so far in Alpha Mode that every suggestion gets put in the Beta Features Bin, no questions asked.

(Seriously though, I'm jaded on publicly-avalible projects trying to get influenced by geopolitics because my first tabletop project got hosted on /tg/. MISTAKES WERE MADE, OK? Thus the very polite glacial shoulder)
 
Simon_Jester said:
Spaced armor isn't ERA. No go boom.
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But both accomplished and were pursued for the same purpose: Defeating HEAT.
And that's really all one needs to establish for Leveling Effect.
7734 said:
Putting on your ushanka and vodka bottle and renewing your subscription to Vatnik Shitposters of America?
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Nah, I get that free from Deme's free mockings of that publication.:V
7734 said:
(Seriously though, I'm jaded on publicly-avalible projects trying to get influenced by geopolitics because my first tabletop project got hosted on /tg/. MISTAKES WERE MADE, OK? Thus the very polite glacial shoulder)
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Ah, right, understandable. Will try to pull from multiple sources next time, minimize the national bias.
 
...I wonder if I should try and make a post on the Italian military somewhere now...


*slaps self*

No, bad Sky. Write cutes, not historical rants.
 
Some of this may be screen-time distorting our perception. What were the ratios like overall? 'Cause, the scale we're seeing, our observations could easily be consistent with that tank we saw being the only tank in the entire assault force that got ded, and the rest all went 10-0.
 
Honestly the chapter didn't feel that off to me. But that might be because I thought 'oh, huh, the Abrams is being metaphysically nerfed to Sherman levels, that's hilarious'.

Next you'll find tankers bitching about Shermans being flammable due to using gasoline jet fuel, and then the US Army gives up and starts using wet stowage again (that is, literally just wrapping every round with a wet towel).
 
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