Julian and Sarang are probably the best options imo. I am not really sure how good I feel about Mr. I experiment with Tiberium cause Tiberium turns biology into Tiberium and that's not hot and the other dude might ruin the odds of getting the Tacitus from Kane from sheer bullheaded stubbornness. With Julian he's pretty milk toast, inoffensive and wants to do integration with Yellow Zones. Sarang is SPACE and frankly we may need to consider the real possibility that Earth will have to be abandoned.
 
An oasis of relative peace have formed itself, a neutral cordon between Mecca and Medina, where a combination of Neutral and loosely-aligned NOD Warlords joined forces with a task force of The Forgotten and GDI to stave off the encroaching Tiberium threat and organize what remained of the yearly Islamic pilgrimage. However, this oasis is not likely to last, as Tiberium means that the full resources of a major power is required to defend the site.

I'm sorry but I want to hammer home on this. Use those neutral and Nod Aligned warlords to contact other branches and arrange some ceasefires around similar critical sites.

i know it's pretty far outside the treasury's mandate, but if we're to work on that then politically flexible looks like the play.

[ ] Sarang Mikoyan
 
SPACE GANG SPACE GANG
Space Gang now has Comrade Mikoyan's great-great-granddaughter on side, no less! :D

Perhaps we could research an airborne variant of the Zone suit?
That's what the Air Force wants, although we already have orbital drop pod capability with Zone Troopers and have just been waiting to build the space station that launches that particular STEEL RAIN.

We should at least spend 1 dice on steel talons and navy each turn
Navy's gonna need at least 2-3, because we have to get the Governor shipyards cranked up as soon as possible.

The Talons will sometimes need at least two dice, because their development projects involve retooling existing production lines and slow-walking the project shuts down their supply of new combat vehicles for months.

I think we can expect this to remain a High Priority project for the next phase or two, maybe even three. Two years of backlog is huge.
It's worse than that.

Those are the orders placed by Day One of production. The backlog would be even longer after a month or two.

You are literally advocating he will be incapable of working with Kane if need be for the TCN. You are saying he would let the world go down in a blaze of Tiberium rather than compromise.
Canonically, a big chunk of the plot of Tiberian Twilight revolves around GDI hardliners doing exactly that- refusing to compromise with Nod and attacking the Nod-GDI combined alliance

A man who is remarkable within GDI's legislature for being a hardliner against Nod might not be enough of a hardliner to go into open rebellion against GDI's civilian government or anything... but that's the faction he's comfortable with.

He may not be 100% absolutely incapable of working with Kane ever, but it's going to be harder, slower, and with fewer flexible options available. Less chance of actually getting a network up.

[ ] Sarang Mikoyan

MiG! MiG! MiG!

LOOK AT THAT LAST NAME! The hand of the Soviet military-industrial complex is practically reaching out across time and space to give us someone to work with. If only this was the designated leftist candidate. 😅

Edit: Damn shame about her political flexibility.
I mean, that's how Commie!Mikoyan got by; it's the same thing in a different context and experience base.

I just see leaving Earth as running away from the problem then dealing with it because I bet nod will just seed the death rock on any worlds are guys run to so figuring out how to deal with the death Rock now sounds better to me.
Yeah, but if figuring out how to deal with the death rock doesn't pan out fast enough and we haven't made adequate provisions to evacuate into space, then many hundreds of millions of people die, either as tiberium overruns our territory or as we try to cram too many refugees into too few overcrowded space stations.

Important thing to note, we want the RZ-7N MARV up running sooner than later as the two MARV helps protect our glacier mining and chicago planned city- so not only does R7-N provide income and RZ mit, it also keeps other sources of income, mit and processing capacity safe (and well we are at 105 spare capacity)
We do, but the South American MARV fleet is much more urgent because the hub is already being harassed heavily by Nod forces and we're explicitly told that they might attack at any time. Closing the window of extreme vulnerability by getting the MARVs up and running is very important. By contrast, the Chicago MARV fleet isn't under imminent attack.

Mecca is impactful for reasons other than pure Red Zone mitigation; it's a massive political and prestige target for us to save the holy sites.
 
What a the state of Tib spread? Do we have projections on how long it will take for it to overtake the Earth?

Theoretically we are at a point where it is in equilibrium or even being beat back. Practically once mutation starts that's going to go away, but how long it will take to overrun everything is based on how much we pile on to try and stop it.
 
i know it's pretty far outside the treasury's mandate, but if we're to work on that then politically flexible looks like the play.

[ ] Sarang Mikoyan
The problem is, we've been told that 'politically flexible' also means being willing to work with Initiative First if they get a 'significant minority', which
A)Ewww, protofascist
B)Really puts us in a bind re: pursuing diplomacy if the hardliners get lucky.

We need somone who can tell a 'significant minority' of Parlimant to stuff it if they get stupid.
 
What a the state of Tib spread? Do we have projections on how long it will take for it to overtake the Earth?

In theory, even with worst possible mutation rolls and maximum tib rolls every turn we 'should' reach the date of 24/07/ 2062 and be in reasonable shape. Certainly not in the level of 'tiberium literally sprouting from GDI worldwide headquarters in manchester'
 
[ ] Julian Taylor
Born in the B2 blue Zone, Julian Taylor enlisted at 18, and was selected for ZOCOM training soon after the branch was formed. Attending OCS before the Third Tiberium War, he was rapidly promoted as part of General Cherdenko's commands. Now, with ZOCOM's mandatory retirement age fast approaching, he is looking for a new way to contribute to the greater good of the Initiative.
While not exceptionally skilled in any treasury relevant areas, he is politically popular and someone who has the credentials of a war hero to cover many potential gaffes and mistakes in negotiation. While this will be generally good for the operational freedom of the department, it may not make up for his flaws.

  • High Military Support
  • High Political Support
  • Supports Grant Programs
  • Wants to privatize parts of the Treasury's consumer goods development
  • Supports Yellow Zone Development
I'm going to vote Julian as he seems excellent for shaping the political scene in a manner that makes any outcome where negotiating with Kane proves prudent politically viable. That is to say Julian seems pretty well suited to render the Initiative First party a long-term dead party through simply sitting on the seat, and this seems rather important given that a continued uptick in NOD activity will only increase support for military parties.

Also an increased operational freedom for the deportment seems like fun.
 
[] Seo Thoki

[] Sarang Mikoyan

E: Sorry just woke up saw, vote counting down thought that was Vote closing not opening.
 
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We're trying to fix that now. More YZ investment, taking on the Qatars, recruiting the Forgotten, and in the future working in Mecca with NOD and former NOD. We will need the stick, we will never not need the stick, but unless you plan on fighting more than half the damn planet we need a place for a few soft words in our playbook too.

(Incidentally, that means being willing to let former NOD warlords walk, because if we don't, we're going to have to fight them and theirs however sincere we are in providing aid to GZ/YZ. History can be their judge, if there remain historians to judge.)
I wonder if we can lean on our Forgotten connections and the Neutrals near Mecca to make a deal: None of us fight here. (Also the GDI send in miners). It might be better to actually have Mecca and the surrounding area be generally administered by one/some of the Neutral factions/Forgotten and the GDI just send in miners[1] and general supplies/quality of life stuff for locals rather than to try and take over and risk damaging the place. Hearts and minds type strategy in this region.

From a military standpoint, that's a region where the GDI will need less forces than average, assuming the local NoD commanders can be gotten on board, so that might make it an easier sell internally to the GDI: "We're not attacking this NoD group right now because we have more than enough on our plate already. Also we don't want to fight near Mecca."

[1] Miners and not general "Anti-Tib measures" because a deal here would give us a region where the local NoD aren't attacking, so we should exploit that.

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If we're really lucky, other NoD might turn on the groups that are currently in a quiet truce with the GDI, and from that we might get ourselves some more tasty defectors with a few cool tech ideas
 
So with the update regarding NOD:
- Brotherhood commanders keep having the same problem as Fabius with using Fabian tactics. They can be effective and preserve your forces to fight another day, but they don't win you a big glorious battle.
- We need to get our Yellow Zone hub Marv fleet up and operation as soon as possible with NOD gearing up to attack it. Not only do we have to save the soldiers we sent there, but also the civilians in the region that have turned to us for help. This is an important first opportunity to show that GDI is serious in its new committment to helping the people of the Yellow Zones and to demonstrate the people can rely on GDI instead of NOD.
- I think our forces are geared up enough to begin taking on NOD. I think it's time to finally take the next phase of Yellow Zone harvesting.
 
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The problem is, we've been told that 'politically flexible' also means being willing to work with Initiative First if they get a 'significant minority', which
A)Ewww, protofascist
B)Really puts us in a bind re: pursuing diplomacy if the hardliners get lucky.

We need somone who can tell a 'significant minority' of Parlimant to stuff it if they get stupid.
1. Illithid has confirmed that we'll have the ability to shape Sarang's character if we pick her.
2. If she does become successor we'll be in control of most of her actions anyways.
 
I wonder if we can lean on our Forgotten connections and the Neutrals near Mecca to make a deal: None of us fight here. (Also the GDI send in miners). It might be better to actually have Mecca and the surrounding area be generally administered by one/some of the Neutral factions/Forgotten and the GDI just send in miners[1] and general supplies/quality of life stuff for locals rather than to try and take over and risk damaging the place. Hearts and minds type strategy in this region.

From a military standpoint, that's a region where the GDI will need less forces than average, assuming the local NoD commanders can be gotten on board, so that might make it an easier sell internally to the GDI: "We're not attacking this NoD group right now because we have more than enough on our plate already. Also we don't want to fight near Mecca."
We're probably going to have to set up a substantial base for logistics and military support anyway. No Orbital RCT, so quick reaction forces have to be nearby, and it'll probably have to be all GDI GIs.

Still, I do like it. I'd like it better if we could assimilate the lot into our political system eventually, but a GDI leaning/non-aligned state around the Holy Land would be the next best thing.

EDIT: Well it wouldn't be very well non-aligned if they were letting our miners do their thing, eh?
 
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Why is there this blinding hate for privatization? I have seen so many people in this thread post about how capitalism needs to die and stated they are hard against grant programs yet haven't really stated why socialism is really better here. The benefits from allowing more freedom in the economy are massive.

Capitalism pro-
1. It allows us to cut back on spending and dice usage in housing, consumer goods, food and possibly others if we go that route.
2. Yes it might take several quarters but the taxation we get from private industries will only go to us and it can only grow.
3. At the beginning of a new four year plan when our budget is raided we don't have to put as many resources/dice towards the stated economic categories and can focus almost completely on increasing our budget.
Capitalism con-
1. Mega-corporations I guess? We have already have massive incentives towards co-ops and union focused businesses so I don't know how if they are a thing except in extremely rare occasions.

There are two reasons why socialism could work here. The first being that Tiberium is a wonder material and allows for some amazing things. The second, and this is not a slight against Ithillid by any means, is that we have no upkeep system in place. IRL countries that go socialism work amazingly well for the first few years after changing economic systems. Government spending goes up but taxation goes up even quicker which generates a powerful economy. The problem is that taxation slows down, it still increases but government spending doesn't decrease. This is seen clearly in Venezuela and Brazil. Like I stated we don't have to deal with the government upkeep spending issue but I feel the benefits of privatization heavily outweigh the apparent love that people here have for the revolution.
 
I just don't want to deal with corporations when thier is a death Rock and a very smart bald man trying to kill humanity or whatever Kane wants to do.
But we wont be dealing with them. We had/have options to focus almost completely on co-ops and unions. Yes they might be a thing but we are mitigating if not outright combating them.
[ ] Expand Union Support
While already better supported than at any previous point in GDI's history, there is more that can be done. While potentially politically unpopular, supporting and shepherding measures to allow unions to operate unimpeded and unharried can mean that workers are more able to advocate for their own purposes.
(DC 90/120/150/180) (-10 Political Support)

[ ] Cooperative Focus
Cooperatives have historically proven to be both more resilient in the face of economic shock, and tend to have less inequality than other companies. By reorienting the grant programs to favor cooperatives over other company structures, the Treasury can fully break from the programs of the past.
(DC 80/100/120) (-10 Political Support)
 
Why is there this blinding hate for privatization?
As far as I can tell, it's part meme spite against FMP because they slighted Granger once and part excessive paranoia about megacorporations, despite them coming into existence is literally impossible without GDI deliberately propping them up.

There are some actual socialists in the thread too, but I think those are a tiny minority.
 
is that we have no upkeep system in place.
Er, that is something that I include in the reallocation every four years. A big chunk of that goes to military funding. A big chunk of that goes to welfare spending, and a lot of it goes towards maintenance in one form or another. Am I tracking the 1 percent or 2 percent or whatever it is of upkeep for every project? No, because I am not a living video game. But it is something that I am handling in the background.
 
Er, that is something that I include in the reallocation every four years. A big chunk of that goes to military funding. A big chunk of that goes to welfare spending, and a lot of it goes towards maintenance in one form or another. Am I tracking the 1 percent or 2 percent or whatever it is of upkeep for every project? No, because I am not a living video game. But it is something that I am handling in the background.
Ok my bad, should of assumed that the budget redistribution had something like that in place. Is it something that we will have to worry about or is it just gonna be a continuous thing every 4 years when we loose income?
 
Why is there this blinding hate for privatization? I have seen so many people in this thread post about how capitalism needs to die and stated they are hard against grant programs yet haven't really stated why socialism is really better here. The benefits from allowing more freedom in the economy are massive.

Capitalism pro-
1. It allows us to cut back on spending and dice usage in housing, consumer goods, food and possibly others if we go that route.
2. Yes it might take several quarters but the taxation we get from private industries will only go to us and it can only grow.
3. At the beginning of a new four year plan when our budget is raided we don't have to put as many resources/dice towards the stated economic categories and can focus almost completely on increasing our budget.
Capitalism con-
1. Mega-corporations I guess? We have already have massive incentives towards co-ops and union focused businesses so I don't know how if they are a thing except in extremely rare occasions.

There are two reasons why socialism could work here. The first being that Tiberium is a wonder material and allows for some amazing things. The second, and this is not a slight against Ithillid by any means, is that we have no upkeep system in place. IRL countries that go socialism work amazingly well for the first few years after changing economic systems. Government spending goes up but taxation goes up even quicker which generates a powerful economy. The problem is that taxation slows down, it still increases but government spending doesn't decrease. This is seen clearly in Venezuela and Brazil. Like I stated we don't have to deal with the government upkeep spending issue but I feel the benefits of privatization heavily outweigh the apparent love that people here have for the revolution.
Because I love seeing new accounts make posts shilling for capitalism and evidently by being against grants (except for art and services) my goal has been achived.

Huzzah.

Edit: Also it's as close as I'm likely to get to ever actually pissing on Maggie "Milk Snatcher" Thatcher's grave.
 
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Ok my bad, should of assumed that the budget redistribution had something like that in place. Is it something that we will have to worry about or is it just gonna be a continuous thing every 4 years when we loose income?
Unless you are doing the kinds of projects where you are operating on a scale where maintenance upkeep is a quarterly 5 resources (which would be the serious megaprojects, bigger than even the phase 5 ones, (Think in terms of 5k progress plus) you won't have to worry about it because I am not a videogame and don't want to deal with every piddling .007rpt charge.
 
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