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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Subordination of the Brotherhood of Nod
[X] Truth and Reconciliation

I get why the Technology Exchange is so popular, cause shinys. But we have gotten a lot of new technology over the course of the Quest, from captured NOD design, to reverse-engineered Scrin Tech, to Captured NOD designs made from reverse-engineered Scrin Tech.

GDI already has plenty of technology that they have just barely scratched the surface of, and many of our designs can still be refined and improved, from Energy Weapons to Shields to Gravitic drives to Portals.

So the main thing right now is making sure they have enough time to do all those projects, which will hopefully include preventing another war from starting right after the TCN is finished.
 
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[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Technology Exchange
[X] Truth and Reconciliation

Can't get everything, but these three I want the most of the options.
 
Before anything else, I loved this bit of fiction. The mood, the dialog, actions and words, and above all the setting of the stakes. Even with victory over Tiberium, the galaxy remains a dangerous and unknown place. A new map unfurls before us, and the dragons of old have returned to haunt the edges.

[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Technology Exchange
[X] Truth and Reconciliation


We're to invested in Tiberium to do away with it, especially with the challenges ahead. Technologies are again, for the challenges head. I don't have strong feelings on the rest, so TaR is for something approaching justice to happen.
 
Model DC.14F said:
I get why the Technology Exchange is so popular, cause shinys. But we have gotten a lot of new technology over the course of the Quest, from captured NOD design, to reverse-engineered Scrin Tech, to Captured NOD designs made from reverse-engineered Scrin Tech.

GDI already has plenty of technology that they have just barely scratched the surface of, and many of our designs can still be refined and improved, from Energy Weapons to Shields to Gravitic drives to Portals.

So the main thing right now is making sure they have enough time to do all those projects, which will hopefully include preventing another war from starting right after the TCN is finished.
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one of the things we really want is better ability to synthesize STU's
 
[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Technology Exchange
[X] Truth and Reconciliation

'Subordination of the Brotherhood of Nod' honestly seems like it'd do more harm than good in the short and long term.

Probably better to go for truth and reconciliation without it for better long term relations i think.
 
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Kane's expression shifted subtly. "Ah, the Morning Star. I have heard whispers of Tiberium's spread to Venus, yes. Your GDI, Director, is like a vessel perpetually leaking, a steady drip of secrets. But I digress," he said, the mockery curling at the edge of his voice.
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Ah yes, the 'I hacked into your public news channels' ploy.
So edgy and intimidating?
 
[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Subordination of the Brotherhood of Nod
[X] Truth and Reconciliation
 
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Simon_Jester said:
No, I don't think you're right about this.

The thing is, right now Kane is the one in the position of being pathologically smug and denialist about his many war crimes (because he's a fucked-up person) and he's the one setting the tone at the top for Nod. Also, Nod is the side where the war crimes people are most likely to be in charge and to benefit from delaying any investigation of the crimes indefinitely. It's going to take actual political effort for GDI to normalize the idea that accountability is the norm, and if we don't invest that effort now, then even if GDI subjugates and integrates Nod, it will be by basically just paying off the existing warlords, letting them retire to nice estates with a steady supply of hookers of their gender preference, and letting the whole question of who did war crimes to who just quietly lapse or become the realm of whoever's propaganda comes out on top. Because that will be BY FAR the easier way to integrate Nod, the path of least resistance.

Also, TCN construction is likely to take over a decade. If we normalize the idea that wartime atrocities (on both sides) are not going to be taken as a serious point of discussion for the duration of the TCN project, then it is likely that many of the victims and participants alike will simply be dead of old age before there is any real political will to engage with the question.
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Honestly this argument makes me lean more against the Truth and Reconciliation project. Such a project actively incentivizes the leadership of the Brotherhood to continue to fight against us, if only to avoid landing up in prison, or being executed, or suffering the shame of ostracism from society. Opening up those wounds is not worth the price short term. I am also not sure about the benefits of 'truth and reconciliation' long-term compared to not taking that action. How will it lead to more cohesion between GDI and Nod entities? Additionally, the time and resources it takes for GDI to construct the TCN alone will make us more vulnerable to Brotherhood attacks for over a decade, if only because we will now have a big shiny critical piece of infrastructure that can now be attacked and undermined. It seems like subsuming the Brotherhood into the project of constructing the TCN is a better investment and will also ease the pressure against us.
 
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nope0 said:
Honestly this argument makes me lean more against the Truth and Reconciliation project. Such a project actively incentivizes the leadership of the Brotherhood to continue to fight against us, if only to avoid landing up in prison, or being executed, or suffering the shame of ostracism from society. Opening up those wounds is not worth the price short term. Additionally, the time and resources it takes for GDI to construct the TCN alone will make us more vulnerable to Brotherhood attacks for over a decade. It seems like subsuming the Brotherhood into the project of constructing the TCN is a better investment.
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That's why you both Subjugate and T&R. First you take their guns away, then when they don't have any guns you can properly address their crimes. And if their crimes are being addressed, maybe the atmosphere is such that we can also reflect on our own crimes.
 
Hmmm... If you subjugate them though, then doing T & R is less useful for cohesion. You also have to take into account the opportunity cost of foregoing the technology exchange or securing our progress with the TCN with Construction Share Ratio. I do not think this is the time to address Nod's crimes. We can do that after the TCN is finished and when Nod can no longer oppose us.
 
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Let's be honest. The warlords with the most to lose from T&R are the ones that are probably also the least likely to support peace with GDI for TCN work. Mehretu for one. Possibly Krukov? Stahl, IIRC, has cooperated during low tension periods when it comes to tib containment/abatement, and did not do much besides tweaking GDI's nose during the Regency War. We have treaties with the major warlords of SE Asia/SW Pacific. We can take a few decades to sweet talk the rest of Nod to being friendly rivals or the like rather than bitter enemies.

Also, do remember that T&R does not appear to be Nod only. GDI that committed war crimes could end up on trial as well. Plus, who says Kane won't have some of his people collect certain warlords personally to prevent them from causing a mess?
 
Phht said:
Let's be honest. The warlords with the most to lose from T&R are the ones that are probably also the least likely to support peace with GDI for TCN work. Mehretu for one. Possibly Krukov? Stahl, IIRC, has cooperated during low tension periods when it comes to tib containment/abatement, and did not do much besides tweaking GDI's nose during the Regency War. We have treaties with the major warlords of SE Asia/SW Pacific. We can take a few decades to sweet talk the rest of Nod to being friendly rivals or the like rather than bitter enemies.

Also, do remember that T&R does not appear to be Nod only. GDI that committed war crimes could end up on trial as well. Plus, who says Kane won't have some of his people collect certain warlords personally to prevent them from causing a mess?
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Stahl, Bannerjees and other more moderate Warlords like them have rather strictly held to laws of war (respecting medics, hospitals, proper prisoner exchanges etc). Mehretu and Gideon was the most asshole warlord in regards to laws of war iirc.
 
[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Technology Exchange
[X] Truth and Reconciliation

These are the only three worth considering. We have played this entire quest without subordinating NOD to GDI in any way. Again.

Let's stick the landing.
 
[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Technology Exchange
[X] Truth and Reconciliation

I did enjoy the bile in that room for Kane. Yeah they made a deal but it was pulling teeth.
 
HousePet said:
That is my point. It was never secret. XD

Kane: 'Ah yes, I read about this situation on GDIOnline. Your security is a sieve.'
Hackett: *visible confusion*
Kane: 'Your secrets are clear to me.'
Hackett: 'We issued a press release...'
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On the flip side, it's absolute canon that Kane knows shit, shit that isn't "public knowledge". Take the line in the spirit intended and don't sweat the small stuff.
 
KnightDisciple said:
On the flip side, it's absolute canon that Kane knows shit, shit that isn't "public knowledge". Take the line in the spirit intended and don't sweat the small stuff.
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Nah, it doesn't bother me. It was textbook Kane being Kane.
I read the whole thing wondering when Litvinov would run out of patience with his rambling and try to strangle him. XD
Possibly while screaming 'I'm supposed to be retiring. Get to the damn point!'.
 
HousePet said:
Nah, it doesn't bother me. It was textbook Kane being Kane.
I read the whole thing wondering when Litvinov would run out of patience with his rambling and try to strangle him. XD
Possibly while screaming 'I'm supposed to be retiring. Get to the damn point!'.
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I mean, if Carter didn't keep throwing tantrums he would have gotten to the point sooner. :p
 
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