Firstly, I admitted the taste can be improved from crap to mild crap. Secondly, this is the first time i've seen someone say a statement literally starting with "Personally I'm of the opinion that" is being peddled as a statement of absolute fact and not, you know, an opinion.
You're still speaking authoritatively on the matter. The presentation starts with "my opinion" but proceeds as if you somehow know information the rest of us do not.
I'm speaking like I speak. If you think I'm being too authoritative then frankly that's your problem, especially considering I prefaced the entire thing by saying it was only my opinion.You're still speaking authoritatively on the matter. The presentation starts with "my opinion" but proceeds as if you somehow know information the rest of us do not.
Put another way, my opinion disagrees with your opinion, so much like matter and antimatter, they are canceled out.
It wasn't me that linked to the video
I'm just going to be off this site for an hour or to after I fix that error. Sorry about that.Our current sources of logistics:
Give people cars?
| Category | Name | Progress Cost | Current Progress | Dice Estimated | Dice Rounded | RpD | R Cost | Logistics Produced | Logistics Per Die | Logistics Per R |
| Infrastructure | Suborbital Shuttle Phase 1 | 200 | 156 | 0.3432 | 1 | 30 | 30 | 3 | 3 | 0.1 |
| Infrastructure | Suborbital Shuttle Phase 1-3 | 650 | 156 | 5.6686 | 6 | 25 | 150 | 16 | 2.6667 | 0.1067 |
| Infrastructure | Suborbital Shuttle Phase 1-2 | 450 | 156 | 3.3018 | 4 | 25 | 100 | 8 | 2 | 0.08 |
| Infrastructure | Rail Network Phase 5-6 | 650 | 39 | 7.0533 | 7 | 15 | 105 | 8 | 1.1429 | 0.0762 |
| Infrastructure | Rail Network Phase 5 | 325 | 39 | 3.2071 | 4 | 15 | 60 | 4 | 1 | 0.0667 |
| Infrastructure | Rail Network Phase 5-7 | 975 | 39 | 10.8994 | 11 | 15 | 165 | 11 | 1 | 0.0667 |
| Infrastructure | Karrachi Phase 1-2 | 195 | 0 | 2.1302 | 2 | 20 | 40 | 2 | 1 | 0.05 |
| Infrastructure | Karrachi Phase 1-3 | 455 | 0 | 5.2071 | 6 | 20 | 120 | 6 | 1 | 0.05 |
| Infrastructure | Karrachi Phase 1-4 | 975 | 0 | 11.3609 | 12 | 20 | 240 | 12 | 1 | 0.05 |
| Heavy Industry | Suzuka Prototype Hover Factory | 175 | 0 | 2.0126 | 2 | 20 | 40 | 2 | 1 | 0.05 |
| Heavy Industry | Personal Electric Vehicle Plants | 300 | 0 | 3.5849 | 4 | 10 | 40 | 4 | 1 | 0.1 |
| Infrastructure | Karrachi Phase 1-5 | 2015 | 0 | 23.6686 | 24 | 20 | 480 | 20 | 0.8333 | 0.0417 |
| LCI | Civilian Drone Factories | 380 | 104 | 3.5034 | 4 | 10 | 40 | 2 | 0.5 | 0.05 |
It's genius!
Or .. or and hear my out here I know this is a bit radical and unorthodox , we could just do a bunch of grants and let the private sector take care of it , since right now and in consideration to our recent gains in the regency war in regards to red zone access and security we are going to consistently have more resources than we have dice to spare , that way the government can focus on big picture stuff like genetic engineering , AI advancement , life extension , worm holes , heavy industry and most importantly SPACE instead of you know stuff like sports teams ,pets ,luxury goods and personal cars
The problem there is that the private sector is in dire need of cap goods, the stuff needed to set up car manufacturing
lets be honest, we don't have a big surplus of capital goods to distribute. We really need either Boston 5 or Nuuk 4/5, or some of our major light industry projects to bump it up after dropping down to like +12 this past turn. Anadyr and lasers will help, as will Enterprise. But we need a really big project to fund both refilling our stockpiles and restoring our private sector economy.
Why are you posting this? I don't see how it is relevant to this quest, even assuming it were a system of classification that was known outside of your particular intellectual circle, which I have found no evidence of.
we can still do agricultural grants most of those don't cost cap goods , services grants too that way we don't have to do stuff like setting up professional sports teams(those don't cost cap goods either) and focus our service dice on R&D and medical advancements and the same for chemical and light industrial grants I just looked and none of the existing options as of last turn cost cap goods , with the exception of heavy industry and military the need for cap goods isn't an issue for private business out side of those sectors so we can just give them grants and expect results in those areas in fact we will likely gain some cap goods from chemical and light industrial grants since a lot of those projects produce cap goods though not in large amounts
Post reallocation actually, we need to fill our reserves to a comfortable level first. That might be as high as 250 or 300 capital goods, based on some estimates I've made of where we were with our reserves at the start of the game before the Capital Goods Doomclock started ticking down at -16 goods per quarter. We currently have 113 in storage, and if we roughly break even by the end of the plan on new expenses and uses, that will put us at about 150 in storage out of 250. We'll need at least a year after reallocation to get out Cap-goods in order for public release, though Nuuk 4 or Boston 5 would shift that calculus hugely, and Chicago would move the needles noticeably.
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Sometimes Dmol just... makes up entire categories of concepts and classifications and makes complex arguments based on them as if everyone already knows and has accepted his system of taxonomy. He never bothers to explain why anyone should use his system, and it almost never makes logical sense to people who aren't Dmol. When you press him on the subject, he generally mumbles about how all of this is very common knowledge on the Serbian-language science fiction fan community and just keeps going.
Dmol8, I don't know if you're familiar with the work of CGPGrey; he's never struck me as being especially libertarian. I think you're disastrously and entirely misunderstanding the point of that video, and the message it delivers. We can discuss it, but only if you're willing to stick to using terms that exist in consensus reality, with no rambling about "Level 2 Slave Empires" or whatever.
Well, that's kind of my point. Our economy's material basis is so firmly rooted in tiberium that tiberium's sudden disappearance would, ironically, be a disaster for us. Thus, as long as the Treasury controls the tiberium sector- and there are damn good reasons for tiberium mining to be a public-sector activity- the heart of the whole economy remains in the Treasury's fist. Just by existing, the possibility of automated factories, combined with tiberium, means that the bulk of the citizenry will always be susceptible to being locked out of the economy if the political system doesn't remain in firm control of the planned economy by other means.
True, although a lot of that has to do with @Ithillid taking our ability to do grants away because he got tired of listening to socialism vs. capitalism and market vs. central planning arguments. We don't even have a button to push that gives meaningfully more economic initiative to the private/co-op sector.
We literally cannot do that because the QM took our "Grants" button away many many turns ago.
I'm pretty sure we're about to slam hard over from "more Resources than dice" to "more dice than Resources" in 2062Q1, because that's what happened at the end of both the previous Four Year Plans in 2054Q1 and 2058Q1. The government is going to notice that our budget is roughly 50% of the total government budget, and strip us back down to 25% or so. Maybe 30% if we argue hard for it, though if this Lawrence guy and those like him have traction, it's more likely to be 25%.
I'm not too worried. We've got enough little projects bouncing around that we can keep things going...
That's a "need," not a need. It invites the question, should we be prioritizing "refill the Capital Goods reserve to the point where we can ride out a shortage on the same scale as the one following the devastating apocalypse of Tib War III" over "get the civilian economy flowing properly?"
No , we've irrevocably changed the culture on that front , by encouraging cooperatives we have changed how capitalism work were once the ultra rich corp owners could leverage the resources of the private companies to tilt the balance of policy to their exclusive benefits this new wave of cooperative companies must now tilt that balance to the benefit of all their employees rather that just the ultra rich owners massively reducing the excess expected and resulting in far more inclusive of the every man agendas, also its less a return to the hyper capitalist bad old days and more the beginning of hyper socialism, since the massive wealth and income inequality needed for the hypothetical hyper capitalist hell your fear mongering about can't happen in the GDI early on in the quest when cooperatives were becoming a thing parliament pushed for law favoring them with restrictions on the size of private companies as well
These are posts made by the same poster who made the post my reply was originally made for. I didn't want to assume that the poster was making an argument of their own instead of summarizing the argument of the omake, but now I know it was intended as an argument for allowing grants again.
So how is my post relevant to this quest?:
The Free Market Party is the only political party that wants grants as Actions to be done. The hyper-capitalist lets go back to the bad old days party is the only one that wants a lot of grants. The argument in the Omake and the argument made by @mmgaballah are the same thing: An argument for a small government setup so that private interests can start ruining the economy again.
We should built up the civilian infrastructure again, even use grants if some our main supporting parties want them, but no turning down the production of Tiberium to "let the market catch up". That way lies privatization and shock therapy back into a hyper-capitalist society. We are better than that.
I am not even sure how that incomprehensible wall of text came up and I don't even wanna know why slave empires have levels or who grades them , So I am ignoring the whole nonsensical thing since it literally makes no sense and focusing on what is relevant to my argument and the thread topics
