It's only "two-faced" if we genuinely lack the capacity to do so. We do not, and we have not for nigh on a decade now, we just have chosen not to use that capacity as best as we can. The good news is that the near future holds much better ability to utilize the capacity, so maybe we should do that.
What if we went with Vertical Farming?
Do you have the math breakdown for this sometime after the results post? Because that is a major shift from where we were with agri. Though if we can get some more food out of LCI beyond fert factories that will help.
| Category | Name | Progress Cost | Current Progress | Dice Estimated | Dice Rounded | RpD | R Cost | Food Produced | Food Per Die | Food Per R |
| Agriculture | BZ Aquaponics Phase 4 | 140 | 75 | 0.6711 | 1 | 10 | 10 | 6 | 6 | 0.6 |
| Agriculture | Freeze Dried Food Plants | 200 | 151 | 0.4564 | 1 | 20 | 20 | 5 | 5 | 0.25 |
| Agriculture | Agriculture Mechanization Phase 1 | 150 | 0 | 1.8121 | 2 | 15 | 30 | 8 | 4 | 0.2667 |
| Agriculture | Agriculture Mechanization Phase 1-2 | 400 | 0 | 5.1678 | 5 | 15 | 75 | 20 | 4 | 0.2667 |
| Agriculture | BZ Aquaponics Phase 4-5 | 280 | 75 | 2.5503 | 3 | 10 | 30 | 12 | 4 | 0.4 |
| LCI | Chemical Fertilizer Plants | 300 | 276 | 0.1208 | 1 | 15 | 15 | 4 | 4 | 0.2667 |
| Agriculture | BZ Aquaponics Phase 4-6 | 420 | 75 | 4.4295 | 5 | 10 | 50 | 18 | 3.6 | 0.36 |
| Agriculture | Vertical Farming Projects Stage 2 | 240 | 65 | 2.1477 | 2 | 15 | 30 | 4 | 2 | 0.1333 |
| Orbital | Shala Phase 1-5 | 2610 | 0 | 31.8405 | 32 | 20 | 640 | 15 | 0.4688 | 0.0234 |
| Orbital | Shala Phase 1-4 | 1255 | 0 | 15.2147 | 16 | 20 | 320 | 7 | 0.4375 | 0.0219 |
| Orbital | Shala Phase 1-3 | 580 | 0 | 6.9325 | 7 | 20 | 140 | 3 | 0.4286 | 0.0214 |
| Orbital | Shala Phase 1-2 | 245 | 0 | 2.8221 | 3 | 20 | 60 | 1 | 0.3333 | 0.0167 |
Another reason to put off Ranching Domes until next plan instead get the 1st agri mech out for a +8 buffer
Ehhh. I think that stretches the conclusions too far.
This is a fundamental point of disagreement. To you, it's obvious. To me, I'm trying to reduce the otherwise quite considerable risk of us having a turn where two major shipyards finish and we don't get another phase of fusion reactors, bringing us down to something like +1 Energy.
The Remembrances have explicitly used hallucinogens before.
That argument MIGHT be worth doing the actions in 2061Q4.
Let me put it to you this way.
The thing is, we're not "free" until both ASAT and OSRCT are done. As long as there's no danger of pointless rollover on either option, there's no real advantage to splitting rather than concentrating dice.
Wait... aren't you implying here that there is no need for more +Food? Because part of what I was baking into my cost estimates was that we couldn't just stop producing additional Food and would need to build some more aquaponics or something, just to compensate for what was going into the reserves. Even with freeze drying, we need -27 Food to get +18 Stored Food, and our surplus isn't so large that we can view a -27 Food hit with equanimity while still being confident of feeding all our refugees AND not getting knocked down to something like +2 Food where we're having actual continuous danger of famine and people are eating fungus bars again because it's all there is.
Quite significantly. Radar warning receivers, Laser warning receivers, and the like exist and are not uncommon. While something Javelin like is far from impossible there are quite a few niche locations where using a wire guided rocket (like, oh, missile ambushes from concealed positions using remote command) is going to be the chosen option.
Ehhh. I think that stretches the conclusions too far.
This is a fundamental point of disagreement. To you, it's obvious. To me, I'm trying to reduce the otherwise quite considerable risk of us having a turn where two major shipyards finish and we don't get another phase of fusion reactors, bringing us down to something like +1 Energy.
The Remembrances have explicitly used hallucinogens before.
That argument MIGHT be worth doing the actions in 2061Q4.
Let me put it to you this way.
The thing is, we're not "free" until both ASAT and OSRCT are done. As long as there's no danger of pointless rollover on either option, there's no real advantage to splitting rather than concentrating dice.
Wait... aren't you implying here that there is no need for more +Food? Because part of what I was baking into my cost estimates was that we couldn't just stop producing additional Food and would need to build some more aquaponics or something, just to compensate for what was going into the reserves. Even with freeze drying, we need -27 Food to get +18 Stored Food, and our surplus isn't so large that we can view a -27 Food hit with equanimity while still being confident of feeding all our refugees AND not getting knocked down to something like +2 Food where we're having actual continuous danger of famine and people are eating fungus bars again because it's all there is.
Well, yes. That's because we hit Nod before they were ready, fought practically the entire war on their soil for the first time in seventy years, and were in general in a great position to make sure that the Regency War did almost no damage to our civilian territory compared to any past Tiberium War.
I think there is a valid reason.
The food storage target was set long before the present round of fighting was even seriously contemplated. We had the opportunity to renegotiate it if we felt that it was too burdensome to deal with during a shooting war and refugee crisis- with the caveat that the result would have involved promising much, much more total food storage "after the war is over," much like how we had to promise more Karachi to get an 'extension' on Karachi.
Honestly, I am pretty sure the cardboard shitnoodles are Kane's idea in the first place, because they're broadly in keeping with his total indifference to human life as soon as said human life is not beneficial to him.
Yeah. I think in one turn's GDIOnline content, there was a thread about posters explicitly saying "Wow, I was all braced for this war to mean incredible hardship for us all on the home front and instead things have been... mostly the same, actually?"
Well... in that case, we'd be needing the stockpiles, and their limited size might actually be a problem, because that much damage would probably result in at least localized disruptions of food production and distribution.
The problem with mechanization is that we get a single shot of +8 Food very predictably, then we have to roll a bunch of dice to get up to Phase 2... and we risk overkill. Which is always awkward when we're this close to the end of a Plan and we've got critical goals to hit. It'd stink to be in a position where we need to score 220 Progress on Mechanization Phase 2 and we really really really need to succeed, so we roll like five dice... and then it completes with just three of them.
It needs 5ish dice. We have 4 turns.
The thing that makes me anxious is a situation like the one we're now facing with the freeze-drying plants, where repeated bad rolls mean that we have to choose between spending unnecessary dice we could really use elsewhere, and accepting delays in the outcome. Aquaponics is insensitive to that problem because there's no clear upper limit on just how many dice we can throw at it. Worst case, it rolls over and we get too much Food.
It depends. If we're in a position where we only need like two Stored Food more in 2061Q4, we're almost certainly fine, because "just throw a few more Agriculture dice at it" is a viable solution.
I don't see how these situations are related. We already have delays in the freeze drying plants, and putting in another die is necessary. That is what bad rolls do. Aquaponics is not immune to the situation we have just had, as we have had a string of low rolls.
If you put in 2 dice, then you'll be in the same situation next turn, looking at a half complete project thinking that you'll just finish off the current phase and then switch to the other project.
