- Location
- USA
Are any more battles being covered or is the next thing starting the new turn?
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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
- Location
- The Underdark
Next thing is the new turn. I am trying to get that out probably tomorrow morning, with it going out to my betas tonight.
Five billion.
That's a 5 with nine zeros.
Nod loves to talk about GDI's crimes against the Third World, but they were the ones throwing Tiberium down wells and burning villages In the Name Of Kane. For all of GDI's sins, we have always held the moral high ground. The "justifications" of Kane worshippers are the empty words of people who are doing their best to destroy the planet, and they should be given exactly as much respect as they deserve.
The Caravanserai took our hand, and we saved Mecca. Stahl sent us his old and his sick, because he knew that we'd take care of them. None of this is a secret to Bintang, but she's still fighting.
Eisenhower said it best. "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone."
Why aren't we taking in more refugees? Because Nod won't let them have a choice. Why aren't we doing more to halt Tiberium? Because Nod forces us to spend resources fighting them instead of halting the spread of their precious cancer rock. Every one of Bintang's victories is a defeat for the hungry and the sick and the homeless, the people that GDI could help if it wasn't for the self-righteous warlords venerating a cult leader.
The larger concern is that Bintang isn't required to hit Karachi. The threat of her hitting Karachi is enough to force us to concentrate a very large portion of our Navy there, which would free her up to make another run at Tokyo or Seoul or even Australia. She has her choice of targets, while we have to defend every location.
The requirements for Karachi have risen once again, and at this point I'm tempted to just prioritize attacking Bintang.
I greatly enjoyed the Regency War. I don't really do the mechanics of the Quest, so the narrative focus of the Regency sections was definitely my favorite. Especially the last update.
- Location
- USA
It was a interesting and enjoyable experience.
I can only shudder at the alternate version of the war where we didn't get a nat 100 and got tipped off before launching the Karachi sprint.
Like, damn, that alternate quest is probably having a much harder time of it.
I can only shudder at the alternate version of the war where we didn't get a nat 100 and got tipped off before launching the Karachi sprint.
Like, damn, that alternate quest is probably having a much harder time of it.
We don't know if the pylon is support for existing Ion Disruptor tech in terms of handling the power arrangements for it, or if it's actually part of the mobile Ion Disruptor. Similarly, we do know that this setup required dedicated Power Ships - and ships are far larger than any payload that will be workable for a rocket.
So, I think that dismissing this as "a few engineering challenges", when one of them is miniaturization of probably at least an order of magnitude, is pretty undue.
First World (GDI supporter territory) organizations are responsible for much of the initial spread of Tiberium. Depositing it in paid-out mines, setting up Tiberium harvest fields in the US Midwest, etc.
And prior to the Granger/Granger administration after TW3, GDI ignored the Third World for the most part. NOD is very much not solely responsible for the mass die-off.
It's a pretty big ask for the Yellow Zone populace who have had ~50 years of getting shat upon by GDI, and only starting to see some people helped over the past decade, to suddenly decide that the only organization that offered them any help is evil.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
However far NOD has to go to get a rocket past the Ion Cannon network, I think it's hard to deny they've taken another step towards doing so with Bintang's fleet-wide defense. If we don't improve the network soon enough, it will come under attack. We can speculate on how fast or slow that might be, but if GDI doesn't take action to counter, it will happen.
- Location
- USA
Just one more reason to keep some of our free dice in Mil
Sure. Doesn't mean an attack on the network is an immediate threat. It's added to the priorities list
I believe that Nod used misinformation about Tiberium's safety to encourage the creation of harvest fields in the US Midwest. Wasn't there a Word of QM about that?
Even if I'm wrong, though, Nod was and is the only organization deliberately spreading Tiberium. GDI's mistakes were mistakes, while Nod venerates the cancer rock.
Nod has a Tiberium economy. They have the resources to build mechs and submarines and giant flying battleships. The materials that build those mechs could be used to make apartments. The industrial capacity Nod uses to make submarines could be devoted to abatement. For the cost of one flying battleship, Nod could provide people with food and medical care and a safe place to live.
Or they could spend all their money on guns, guns, guns. GDI has been flooded by refugees because a cot in a shelter with three ration packs in day is far better than the life they could expect in Nod territory. The prospect of living in a tiny apartment seems like unimaginable luxury to millions. Nod has priorities, and "civilian quality of living" is at the bottom of the list.
The Brotherhood is a feudal warlord state based on blind veneration of a "Messiah" who hasn't used his vast knowledge to create a decent standard of living for the people who worship him. It's difficult to measure how much popular Nod actually is with the Yellow Zone populace, because dissidents aren't exactly free to speak up. The only significant poll that we've taken involves voting with your feet, and it turns out that plenty of Kane's loyal subjects are fond of little things like food and medicine.
For all Bintang's talk of "resource extraction", her giant war fleet is certainly not free. She could have made a truce with GDI and fed children instead of building warships. She didn't. The words of a warlord are worthless, her moral claims are beneath contempt, and I do hope that one day we will see her standing in front of a tribunal.
Nod delanda est.
- Location
- New England
There's a reason the "Forgotten" are called the "Forgotten", and it's not in reference to anything the Brotherhood did.
Changing those minds will take the work of generations.
Changing those minds will take the work of generations.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
The fact that last page someone unironically used the term "Midwest flyover states" when out-of-hand dismissing the horrific tragedies of Tiberium proliferation before and during the first Tiberium War, proliferation that 110% is the fault of First World colonizer countries and their successor, GDI, is just more proof Bintang and those who think like her are not 100% wrong about how shitty GDI has been in the past.
As a reminder, all of the refugee aid we've seen in this thread is a massive, massive departure of policy for GDI. The QM is on record that the canon opening scene in C&C4 (the one where GDI HQ is in a deep Red Zone and the building itself has Tiberium growths) is basically the result of GDI not changing course thanks to SecTreas Granger and (now) Seo.
So trying to act like GDI has always cared about the entire mass of humanity and has spent as much time and effort on humanitarian outreach as we have in our specific tenure, is disingenuous.
As a reminder, all of the refugee aid we've seen in this thread is a massive, massive departure of policy for GDI. The QM is on record that the canon opening scene in C&C4 (the one where GDI HQ is in a deep Red Zone and the building itself has Tiberium growths) is basically the result of GDI not changing course thanks to SecTreas Granger and (now) Seo.
So trying to act like GDI has always cared about the entire mass of humanity and has spent as much time and effort on humanitarian outreach as we have in our specific tenure, is disingenuous.
Bintang and Stahl definitely are the "winners" of this conflict on nods ends, both managed to style on us pretty good even if we did bloody her fleet while doing it. Lol that not even she could save Australia tho, and soon we will turn Adelaide into a giant boat printer.
Nod could have taken care of their own people.
Or they could have built a giant war machine to attack the First World. They made the wrong choice. Then they proceeded to blame the "colonizers" for the problems caused by the cancer rock that they worship. The cancer rock that they are actively working to spread.
The responsibility for containing the growth of Tiberium does not exclusively belong to GDI. Nod has the resources to do a great deal. Their Tiberium-related technology is more sophisticated than GDI's in some areas. Instead, they've focused on destruction. Gideon tried to destroy a Tiberium abatement center using a weapon that spreads Tiberium!
GDI has not always cared about the entire mass of humanity. But if Nod devoted more of their resources to "feeding people" or "stopping cancer rock", rather than "kill Evil First World", they might not be exporting millions of refugees to that Evil First World.
Oledoms
Friesmancer
A bit of curiousity but in the recruitment option for the next plan. Should we choose Graduates, How many will we add on Military, 1 Dice, 2 Dice?
Also, would there be a direct option of adding Die directly from labor?
Kind of like this?
Direct Treasury Education and Employment Program
With the ever increasing need for personnel for Treasury operations. A suggested way to increase Treasury Capability is to directly handle training for their employment needs. While this will be time and resource consuming. It should allow the Treasury to directly recruit a number of personnel to expand operations.
(-15 Resources per turn until period ends, -6 Labor -6 Dice to any category chosen, +1 Die after 8 Turns. Can Choose as many per category. Cannot be used on Free Die)
Also, would there be a direct option of adding Die directly from labor?
Kind of like this?
Direct Treasury Education and Employment Program
With the ever increasing need for personnel for Treasury operations. A suggested way to increase Treasury Capability is to directly handle training for their employment needs. While this will be time and resource consuming. It should allow the Treasury to directly recruit a number of personnel to expand operations.
(-15 Resources per turn until period ends, -6 Labor -6 Dice to any category chosen, +1 Die after 8 Turns. Can Choose as many per category. Cannot be used on Free Die)
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- Location
- Tulsa Oklahoma
Um, didn't we just capture some Nod shipyards in Australia, likely with some examples to learn from?
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
Generally speaking, they do. In a hypothetical "vacuum" where NOD, instead of starting off in the various "Third World" countries of this planet, aka the ones exploited and left with fewer and fewer resources, had access to most of the space and resources GDI did, they'd probably look more similar.
NOD started off punching up. Kane was 100% twisting the truth, but NOD has always used the tech and tactics it has because, generally speaking, they're working at a disadvantage. And once the first Tiberium War happened and they didn't achieve total victory, it meant GDI was more likely to just murder them all if they tried peacefully surrendering, so they had to keep fighting (at least in their eyes).
Again, Granger's acceptance of the Qatarites, even as just a convenient resource, was a massive shock and departure.
NOD surely views itself in just as much of a fight for its existence and way of life as GDI. Some of them are coo-coo for coco puffs (Gideon and Reynaldo), but many are just working within what htye have.
But NOD runs harvesters. They perform abatement, it just doesn't look like ours and we keep blowing theirs up to grow ours.
NOD has done terrible, terrible things. But let's not act like the only reason someone still sides with NOD is that they're a one-dimensional genocidal cackling maniac.
I don't know if you remember the old intro of Comand & Conquer Tiberium Conflict, but it mentioned that NOD became a relevant power because of its large Tiberium reserves, which were even larger than those of the GDI.
But and this is the big difference, Kane never really cared about humanity, but always worked primarily on his own plans and therefore never felt the need to invest in the population he controlled, as the desperate ones made particularly good and fanatical recruits for his cult.
Therefore, even if he had started in the wealthier states of the western world, the end result would not be much different, as he sees no value in giving the population more than they need to survive, as he needs a desperate population to serve as his recruiting base and to make the GDI look bad.
I mean the first NOD mission was to masacre a disagreeable politician and his home village and the NOD finale was to use the captured ion cannon to destroy national landmarks.
Nod does not take care of their own people.
If they did, we wouldn't be flooded by refugees right now. If they cared about people, Stahl wouldn't use elderly and sick civilians to block our advancing forces.
I cannot see why you would read this Quest and come to the conclusion that Nod cares about civilians. We have seen it emphasized, time and time again, that Nod civilians enjoy a terrible standard of living. Nod could do something about this, but they're too busy creating Wunderwaffen #172 in the vain hope that they'll defeat GDI for the glory of their Messiah.
Nod has less industrial capacity than GDI. But Nod still has the industrial capacity to build armies and fleets and flying battleships. They have the industrial capacity to improve the lives of their civilians, if they cared to do so. Nod's warlords just didn't concern themselves with all the people dying of rock lung.
The Brotherhood may be "punching up" against GDI. They are also "punching down" in the areas they control. What do you think happened to all the civilians who didn't want to embrace the Messiah? To the Indians who decided that they weren't on board with worshipping the cancer rock?
We're not even talking about surrender. As far as I can tell, no one in Nod called GDI and asked for a ceasefire. Because that would be treason to Kane, and the Messiah's will matters more than millions of dead people.
Granger accepted the Qatarites ten years ago. We've been actively cooperating with the Caravanserai for the last four years. Yao Qinglian essentially sat out the Regency War, and I strongly suspect that we have some kind of agreement with her. It is obvious to every warlord that GDI is open to negotiations.
Their "way of life" is a loose confederation of warlord states united by their shared subservience to a cult leader dedicated to the spread of the cancer rock. Their civilians are desperate for luxuries like clean water and safe air. Yet Nod continued fighting on for the Glory of Kane, even as Granger and Seo openly advertised their willingness to talk.
Nod runs harvesters and conducts abatement operations. If they didn't run harvesters, they wouldn't have an economy; if they didn't conduct abatement operations, all of them would be dead. The Brotherhood is not actively suicidal. The Brotherhood is dedicated to a "Tiberium Future", even as their own people die horribly with Tiberium stealing the breath from their lungs.
There are many reasons that people side with Nod. Some are entirely devoted to Kane's Vision, or what they imagine Kane's Vision to be. Others enjoy having a position of power. Many are simply acting out of habit.
There's been an off-ramp for Nod for the past decade, and that exit has only become more obvious with each passing year. The Caravanserai have very openly made peace with GDI. Qinglian has decided not to participate in the Regency War. A very large percentage of the Home Guard is composed of Nod defectors. At this stage, a warlord who has decided on continuing the war is not doing so because of a lack of other options.
You don't have to be a one-dimensional cackling maniac to do evil. Every Nod warlord who fights on is sentencing their people to death in a war of choice against a polity that is openly willing to talk. They consider their loyalty to the Messiah- or their personal power- more important than the civilians dying of famine or rock lung.
Their malevolent cult tries to lie about being the Good Guys, the saviours of the downtrodden. But they were always the baddies, from the very beginning.
So Stalin's armies managed to get close enough to send V1's at Britain during the war that is a interesting tidbit.
GDI pulling out because they could not stop the growth of Tiberium across the planet after the First War to a large degree is not the same as a lot of the shit NOD has done or has the Pirate Queen forgotten that it has been Nod and her Messiah how have been doing everything in their power since the First War to cover the Globe in the green stuff.
Also Ion Cannon's don't leave the places they are hit with irradiated to the point human's can't live there. Nod has been using Nukes since the First War and they can't to my mind claim that the Ion Cannons excuse their use of nuclear weapons.
Nod's lower ranks are free to surrender to my mind and we would then work to show them the true face of their Messiah but Nod's Higher up's the one's who say how high when Kaine say's jump are going to need be dealt with. We still can't be sure what his goals are or why he is staying in the shadows right now.
Red Alert didn't happen ITTL. If I remember correctly, it was too difficult to reconcile with canon.
I think you'll find that was the Germans.
Red Alert isn't canon
To be fair, they seem to be more annoyed that Nod're claiming to have the moral high ground after causing billions of deaths
Not that it's surprising. Everyone always claims to have the moral high ground, look at Russia. Doesn't mean it's true
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Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Quite egotistical of Nod to claim all of those billions of deaths. GDI got their licks in too, pilfering the Third World for all it was worth.
My general view of this is pre quest gdi was shit, nod was shitter. Dark gray vs even darker gray. Quest GDI OTOH is fairly wholesome overall, a far lighter gray