As An Eagle Flies (A House Arryn Quest)

I'm a bit peeved that one bad roll (that wasn't even a Nat 1) has used the ridiculous success of a previous roll (wasn't it, like, a Nat100?) to turn Rowena from a reasonable-but-cautious figure to a raving racist lunatic.
 
I'm a bit peeved that one bad roll (that wasn't even a Nat 1) has used the ridiculous success of a previous roll (wasn't it, like, a Nat100?) to turn Rowena from a reasonable-but-cautious figure to a raving racist lunatic.
True enough, everything we've seen of her before that had no indication whatsoever that she was this crazy. Seemed to have a reasonable relationship with Arstan as well all things considered.
 
True enough, everything we've seen of her before that had no indication whatsoever that she was this crazy. Seemed to have a reasonable relationship with Arstan as well all things considered.
Right, and all this fallout about the woodswitch is annoying, because that was a gigantic success of a roll, but now we've got this crazy witch lady with "the blood of a KING" running around, and it keeps having negative impacts....
 
I'm a bit peeved that one bad roll (that wasn't even a Nat 1) has used the ridiculous success of a previous roll (wasn't it, like, a Nat100?) to turn Rowena from a reasonable-but-cautious figure to a raving racist lunatic.
That was for the survival of her son, not for herself.

And what did you think of Cersai when you first saw her on Game of Thrones?

A bitter beutiful queen stuck in a loveless marriage, or a murderous, petty psychopath who murdered her friend, ordered the murder of her husband to put her son on the throne, and fucked her own brother.
True enough, everything we've seen of her before that had no indication whatsoever that she was this crazy. Seemed to have a reasonable relationship with Arstan as well all things considered.
See Above.
Right, and all this fallout about the woodswitch is annoying, because that was a gigantic success of a roll, but now we've got this crazy witch lady with "the blood of a KING" running around, and it keeps having negative impacts....
Well, she did say there was a price for using her, and it involved King's Blood.

Maybe she wants some in case we start a civil war in the Vale because of Crazy Step mom.
 
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Well, she did say there was a price for using her, and it involved King's Blood.

Maybe she has some in case we start a civil war in the Vale because of Crazy Step mom.
Tbf, I'm not really complaining about the whole 180 stepmoms character did since I was expecting it to be a possible outcome as soon as Jon remarried, just that her suddenly decrying Arstan as the Anti-Christ was weird since he's been a right proper Valemen Knight since childhood.

Tho the chances of an actual civil war are extremely low all things considered. Arstan is a Royce by blood, friends with the Graftons who were in canon against the Arryins in Robert's Rebellion, extremely well regarded and liked by pretty much all other Vasal Houses and has drawn in possibly every Knight in the Vale under his banner with the Knightly Order he created.

The Knightly Order alone whose ranks are filled with nobility from first to third sons from low to high nobility make it unlikely that he ever has to worry about a Civil War. Especially coming from his Stepmother and Halfbrother who if things go as said in the previous update would not be raised in the Vale, the only real claim she could use is the fact that her son has the Arryn blood in him and that's about it.

Either way, she needs to be disposed of and Arstans halfbrother either brought to the Vale to grow up where Arstan can keep an eye on him or send to foster with one of our friends.
 
Tbf, I'm not really complaining about the whole 180 stepmoms character did since I was expecting it to be a possible outcome as soon as Jon remarried, just that her suddenly decrying Arstan as the Anti-Christ was weird since he's been a right proper Valemen Knight since childhood.
It's not the fact he's not a proper Vale knight.

It's the fact he's openly consorting with the Mountian Clans people, who have been a thorn in the Vales side, for millennia, and even allowing her into the Eyrie to help give birth to his brother and daughter.

It tends to really strain the ole... perception of one's person when he openly consorts with hostile forces.
 
It's not the fact he's not a proper Vale knight.

It's the fact he's openly consorting with the Mountian Clans people, who have been a thorn in the Vales side, for millennia, and even allowing her into the Eyrie to help give birth to his brother and daughter.

It tends to really strain the ole... perception of one's person when he openly consorts with hostile forces.

Look if you are encouraging genocide just tell it upfront because that fail shouldnt made her THIS crazy. Angry made sure she had bad relationship with Arstan, but not enought to actively plot his murder thats nuts. It should have lead to Catelyn Jon like relation not FULL ON CERSEI.
i think you overdid it imho. 41 is not 12 nor 21. i ts fail but not Catastrophic or bad fail.
 
Look if you are encouraging genocide just tell it upfront because that fail shouldnt made her THIS crazy. Angry made sure she had bad relationship with Arstan, but not enought to actively plot his murder thats nuts.
No. I'm not.

What the hell is wrong with you for insinuating that?!

I'm serious what the ever loving hell is wrong with you for thinking that?
think you overdid it imho. 41 is not 12 nor 21. i ts fail but not Catastrophic or bad fail.
Its because you failed multiple times on the same action. Even with your skills, failing multiple times tend to lead to a souring of relationships.

Edit: Add in the fact that she does not like the mountian clans at all, and she believes the clans are evil, you get that.
 
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Look if you are encouraging genocide just tell it upfront because that fail shouldnt made her THIS crazy. Angry made sure she had bad relationship with Arstan, but not enought to actively plot his murder thats nuts. It should have lead to Catelyn Jon like relation not FULL ON CERSEI.
i think you overdid it imho. 41 is not 12 nor 21. i ts fail but not Catastrophic or bad fail.
Basically this.
 
Maybe I just wanted an antagonist who would actually sabotage a peaceful end to a problem that has been going on for centuries, someone who is blinded by their own hate, bile and belief that her child, not the one whos already a man grown and one of the best diplomats Westeros has ever seen, will be the one who can deal with the Clansman problem.

Maybe I just wanted to give a reason as to why she really doesn't like you and sees you as a threat to her own child, believes that the only good clansman is a dead one, and views non andals as Barbarians or savages because she's highborn, from a high and rich house, who has absolutely no idea how the world truly works.

You know, the kind of people who should have no fucking business in politics, diplomacy and such, because they know nothing of the true situation, or how to fix it with subtly. Or even in such a way where the knights of the Vale will be able to fight it without losing tens of thousands of men in the resulting guerilla campaign that will follow.

That omake was to show you her shortsightedness. Her terrible superiority complex, and her racism against the Mountian clansman.

Is she right to have it. Certainly, the Clans have done some terrible shit over the last few thousand years. but that does not mean you, have to have the same damn views.
 
No. I'm not.

What the hell is wrong with you for insinuating that?!

I'm serious what the ever loving hell is wrong with you for thinking that?

Its because you failed multiple times on the same action. Even with your skills, failing multiple times tend to lead to a souring of relationships.

Edit: Add in the fact that she does not like the mountian clans at all, and she believes the clans are evil, you get that.

Not You as in You, but that You are insinuating that She wants genocide.
 
Maybe I just wanted an antagonist who would actually sabotage a peaceful end to a problem that has been going on for centuries, someone who is blinded by their own hate, bile and belief that her child, not the one whos already a man grown and one of the best diplomats Westeros has ever seen, will be the one who can deal with the Clansman problem.

Maybe I just wanted to give a reason as to why she really doesn't like you and sees you as a threat to her own child, believes that the only good clansman is a dead one, and views non andals as Barbarians or savages because she's highborn, from a high and rich house, who has absolutely no idea how the world truly works.

You know, the kind of people who should have no fucking business in politics, diplomacy and such, because they know nothing of the true situation, or how to fix it with subtly. Or even in such a way where the knights of the Vale will be able to fight it without losing tens of thousands of men in the resulting guerilla campaign that will follow.

That omake was to show you her shortsightedness. Her terrible superiority complex, and her racism against the Mountian clansman.

Is she right to have it. Certainly, the Clans have done some terrible shit over the last few thousand years. but that does not mean you, have to have the same damn views.

So you used that opportunity rolls provided or did you engage in railroading and it would go on regardless ?
 
look i know people can be bigoted, but making people into caricatures isnt exactly good thing
Look, I just wrote that to show that she was hiding opinions from you, does not like you at all may poison our brother's mind, and is a bit on the crazy/paranoid side because we brought in a woodswitch to help her give birth.

That was all I wanted to show in that one little omake, one little snippet at a point in time.
 
Look, I just wrote that to show that she was hiding opinions from you, does not like you at all may poison our brother's mind, and is a bit on the crazy/paranoid side because we brought in a woodswitch to help her give birth.

That was all I wanted to show in that one little omake, one little snippet at a point in time.


I get that but she came of as FULL CERSEI.
 
great she reminds of me of Fascists that believe in ethnic cleansing and crazy women who started wars because they believed their child should be in charge (interested to see how this goes)
 
Let's be honest here tho, is it a bit out of the left field? Sure.

But the rolls did allow this to happen, everytime we tried the action with her we failed so I can support the idea that this is the result of those failures, while the Stepmothers character really took a dive there it still presents a interesting turn of events and should prove to be a good little scenario for where we will have to deal with the problems it brings.(even tho I think we will handle it fairly quick since she doesn't really stand a chance.)

So no reason to really get hung up on it. Now if it was a character we did know and have a real proper relationship with prior to them going Full Cercei, then we'd have a reason to call it into question.
 
I get that but she came of as FULL CERSEI.
Really, anyone can become full Cersei given enough time, energy, children and paranoia.
great she reminds of me of Fascists that believe in ethnic cleansing and crazy women who started wars because they believed their child should be in charge (interested to see how this goes)
Crazy women who started wars because they believed their children should be in charge... Would you believe that Westeros is chock-full of them throughout its history?

as for the other part... well let's just hope it won't come to that... more bodies to throw at our enemies is always well and good.
while the Stepmothers character really took a dive there it still presents a interesting turn of events and should prove to be a good little scenario for where we will have to deal with the problems it brings
But we only ever get her perspective, and that of the rose-tinted Glasses of Jon, who is able to have a child again and might not spend as much time with Rowena as.. well anyone else.
 
Really, anyone can become full Cersei given enough time, energy, children and paranoia.

Crazy women who started wars because they believed their children should be in charge... Would you believe that Westeros is chock-full of them throughout its history?

as for the other part... well let's just hope it won't come to that... more bodies to throw at our enemies is always well and good.

But we only ever get her perspective, and that of the rose-tinted Glasses of Jon, who is able to have a child again and might not spend as much time with Rowena as.. well anyone else.
Having thought more about it, most of what you're doing with Rowena doesn't really come across as shock...

1.) Disliking our PC? Sure. She's a "latecomer", her new-born child isn't the heir, we're married to one of those weird/crazy Targaryens....there's a list!
2.) Distrusting the woodswitch? I don't trust her, and I can completely understand being super weirded-out by her midwifing even if it worked.
3.) Disliking the diplomacy with the Mountain Clans? Totally understandable. There's centuries of bad blood there.

It was mostly the "ANDAL BLOOD PURITY" thing that caught me off-guard. But ultimately, 'tis what 'tis, no worries my man. I'm enjoying the ride still.
 
"ANDAL BLOOD PURITY" thing that caught me off-guard.
While I understand that it may have taken you off guard, I wanted it there to show another thing. It isn't just the mountian clans she hates.

There are certian houses that are not Andal, and even though they are truly loyal to the Vale (Royces, Hunters, even the Sunderlands), they have been very mischievous in the past, enough for her to fear them because, even though they follow the faith and consider themselves Andal... they aren't in her eyes.

Basically, she's playing favorites with those that were loyal from the beginning of the Andal conquest of the Vale... because they have never once betrayed House Arryn, in the very long history of House Arryn ruling the Vale. There are quite a few of those Houses running around, and dear lord, would they love to see her in charge and begin to Purge people, so they can steal lands and titles from the people she's purging.
 
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While I understand that it may have taken you off guard, I wanted it there to show another thing. It isn't just the mountian clans she hates.

There are certian houses that are not Andal, and even though they are truly loyal to the Vale (Royces, Hunters, even the Sunderlands), they have been very mischievous in the past, enough for her to fear them because, even though they follow the faith and consider themselves Andal... they aren't in her eyes.

Basically, she's playing favorites with those that were loyal from the beginning of the Andal conquest of the Vale... because they have never once betrayed House Arryn, in the very long history of House Arryn ruling the Vale. There are quite a few of those Houses running around, and dear lord, would they love to see her in charge and begin to Purge people, so they can steal lands and titles from the people she's purging.
Fair enough.

I'm glad we have the Septon on our side, though. Not only is he a good guy example of a follower of the Seven, he shows what I think is one of the strengths of that Faith: organization.
 
I'm glad we have the Septon on our side, though. Not only is he a good guy example of a follower of the Seven, he shows what I think is one of the strengths of that Faith: organization
The fact he's leading groundbreaking work in the study of psychology (for this world at least) to help the knights and soldiers of the war turn back into a more civilian role is the icing on the cake.
 
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