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Sure, new custom traits are always a possibility. We can't really deduce anything useful in their presence though.
 
ninjafish said:
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2
[X] Train powers - Adviser (RA x2) X3
[X] Train powers - Adviser (RA x2) x4
[X] Practice your combat forms (synergy with Attend Military Academy)
[X] Spend time with Anna and her family
[X] Spend time with Victoria and her family
[X] Spend time with Rowena and her family

Fuck all these plans that make jinah more powerful than us.

lets get uncrippled first Eh?
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Training Jinah in the last few turns of her youth is more about unfucking her traits so she's less likely to screw with us (And possibly assimilating some of her vices to make Mirande stronger).

But more to the point, if you want to make Mirande stronger, vote for University. It gets us close to what we'll need to get Scholar, which improves the effect of a lot of our powers. And getting Scholar in the next few years is the most likely path we have to getting two Lifestyle Traits (Scholar + Duelist). AN said the second one is possible but MUCH harder to get, and when Kebhon comes back (And he will, also confirmed) that's basically the only time we'll be doing enough consistent actions focused on one thing to get a second Lifestyle (Duelist).
 
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Invigorate Council x1 (gives Anna and each other council member +1 Personal Action)
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2

[X] Attend University (3 actions) (synergy with Research as Adviser)
[X] Continue to study and debate religious changes to Grave Tenders (synergy with Attend University)
 
I'm sure veekie isn't the first with that set of votes, but i'm ready to vote now and don't wanna go back through the past few pages.

[X] veekie
 
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Invigorate Council x1 (gives Anna and each other council member +1 Personal Action)
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2

[X] Attend University (3 actions) (synergy with Research as Adviser)
[X] Continue to study and debate religious changes to Grave Tenders (synergy with Attend University)
 
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2) x2

Lets make Jinah sane. Also, MORE POWER!

I still hate all the personal action choices.

As for questions:
@Academia Nut :
Does the difficulty increase in getting a second lifestyle trait slow down our SUtW training?
How old is Jinah? How many years do we have left with her?
 
racnor said:
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2) x2

Lets make Jinah sane. Also, MORE POWER!

I still hate all the personal action choices.

As for questions:
@Academia Nut :
Does the difficulty increase in getting a second lifestyle trait slow down our SUtW training?
How old is Jinah? How many years do we have left with her?
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I think that having Scholar before Duelist is completely decoupled from SutW training speed. It's just that SutW happens to fill the same requirements as getting Duelist (even with the additional work needed for a second lifestyle trait).

Hence why we should get another lifestyle trait first before we start doing SutW, so we don't have to slog through MANY YEARS of education we don't want or need to get a second lifestyle trait.

I'm like 95% sure that's how it works, but I'm happy to wait for AN to weigh in on it.
 
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2
[X] Train powers - Adviser (RA x2) X3
[X] Train powers - Adviser (RA x2) x4


[X] Attend University (3 actions) (synergy with Research as Adviser)
[X] Continue to study and debate religious changes to Grave Tenders (synergy with Attend University)
 
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2) x2


[x] Spend time with Anna and her family
[x] Spend time with Victoria and her family
[x] Spend time with Rowena and her family
[x] Train powers - Personal

Meh dropping out isn't a big deal
 
Ekans Ekans Ekans said:
I think that having Scholar before Duelist is completely decoupled from SutW training speed. It's just that SutW happens to fill the same requirements as getting Duelist (even with the additional work needed for a second lifestyle trait).

Hence why we should get another lifestyle trait first before we start doing SutW, so we don't have to slog through MANY YEARS of education we don't want or need to get a second lifestyle trait.

I'm like 95% sure that's how it works, but I'm happy to wait for AN to weigh in on it.
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Is there any particular reason for the assumption or is it just optimism?
 
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Invigorate Council x1 (gives Anna and each other council member +1 Personal Action)
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2

[X] Attend University (3 actions) (synergy with Research as Adviser)
[X] Continue to study and debate religious changes to Grave Tenders (synergy with Attend University)

I'm actually surprised Anna didn't get the bomber research done this turn as its so close to completion effectively:
Nix said:
Basic Bomber 407/600 - An unsophisticated "bomb truck" type design, this is all about dropping tons of munitions on ground targets
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Unless that is, it gets improved by the advanced fighter concepts..hmmm.
 
vaaliant said:
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Invigorate Council x1 (gives Anna and each other council member +1 Personal Action)
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2

[X] Attend University (3 actions) (synergy with Research as Adviser)
[X] Continue to study and debate religious changes to Grave Tenders (synergy with Attend University)

I'm actually surprised Anna didn't get the bomber research done this turn as its so close to completion effectively:

Unless that is, it gets improved by the advanced fighter concepts..hmmm.
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We don't have a pressing need for bombers; our enemies are above us
 
racnor said:
Is there any particular reason for the assumption or is it just optimism?
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@Nix beat me to it. Lifestyle has never been any kind of a prereq for Shadow Upon the Waves. The only prereqs for apprentice level are Divination II and a total of 25 Martial.

The last level also has a Prereq of 25 BASE Martial (requiring at least education level 7) and any other prereqs for it are currently unknown.

AN's indications have been that we'd get the duelist trait as a side effect of learning Shadow, not as a gating mechanism to achieve it.
 
[] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[] Invigorate Council x1 (gives Anna and each other council member +1 Personal Action)
[] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
[] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2

[] Attend University (3 actions) (synergy with Research as Adviser)
[] Continue to study and debate religious changes to Grave Tenders (synergy with Attend University)
 
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[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Invigorate Council x1 (gives Anna and each other council member +1 Personal Action)
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2

[X] Attend University (3 actions) (synergy with Research as Adviser)
[X] Continue to study and debate religious changes to Grave Tenders (synergy with Attend University)

i am interested in getting scholar and a REAL degree
 
racnor said:
Also, the Ukko is basically a tier V+ bomber already.
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Not quite. Its more like a Tier V+ gunship. Big difference from a dedicated bomber. Here's the description when we found it.

Academia Nut said:
Ukko-class CAS Fighter-bomber STC (no weapons)
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Academia Nut said:
they found an armoured case that had miraculously preserved a data crystal containing a Standard Template Construct. More than that, it was for more than just a bit of infantry weaponry, it was for an aircraft, a close air support attack craft. While it was lacking in weaponry since the weapons were suppose to fit into modular pods, the whole rest of the design was a treasure trove of not just schematics but also other forms of data. About the only oddity was the name.
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I'm not saying the Ukko is bad, in fact its an awesome design, but in my head its like saying having the futuristic WH25k variant of the A-10 or WH40ks Thunderhawk. In my headcanon it would be some kind of awesome gunship/transport able to carry something like 2-5 tons or so of munitions (load weight purely theoretical), whereas a dedicated bomb truck would carry twice that much or more.

edit: also AN did give us stats for it

Academia Nut said:
As for the Ukko, it has the following stats:

Crew - 2 (1 pilot, 1 sensor officer)
Engine - Twin fusion turbine with thrust vectoring and additional vents for full VTOL capacity
Range - 80,000 km before needing to refuel hydrogen stocks, but engine maintenance is recommended every 10,000km (can still perform a circumnavigatory flight, but it will definitely need an overhaul after)
Maximum Speed - Level flight Mach 1.4, hover mode 200km/h
Cruising Speed - Level flight Mach 1
Stall Speed - Level flight 180km/h, hover mode -60km/h
Weapons mounts:
1 nose mount for guns
6 wing mounts capable of carrying 500 kg of munitions each
1 internal bomb bay capable of carrying 4000 kg of munitions
Note: the bomb bay can be modified to store additional munitions for the nose gun
The Ukko is also sufficiently armoured to deal with local Dandriss conditions, as well as aiding in its CAS role against ground fired weapons
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vaaliant said:
Not quite. Its more like a Tier V+ gunship. Big difference from a dedicated bomber. Here's the description when we found it.





I'm not saying the Ukko is bad, in fact its an awesome design, but in my head its like saying having the futuristic WH25k variant of the A-10 or WH40ks Thunderhawk. In my headcanon it would be some kind of awesome gunship/transport able to carry something like 2-5 tons or so of munitions (load weight purely theoretical), whereas a dedicated bomb truck would carry twice that much or more.
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But it's other specs are so far beyond the stuff we can create on our own that it's still better. Also, pure bombers are likely less efficent on dandriss due to the trees.

And I believe it's bomb payload load to be 4000 kg.
 
vaaliant said:
I'm not saying the Ukko is bad, in fact its an awesome design, but in my head its like saying having the futuristic WH25k variant of the A-10 or WH40ks Thunderhawk. In my headcanon it would be some kind of awesome gunship/transport able to carry something like 2-5 tons or so of munitions (load weight purely theoretical), whereas a dedicated bomb truck would carry twice that much or more.
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Thanks for finding the stats, but I want a bit more detail.
@Academia Nut can the Ukko mount a rotary Quench gun? If not what is the biggest gun we have that it can mount?
 
Unsorted vote tally:
##### 3.21
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
No. of votes: 30
Nix, Elbrasch, oilworker, SuperSonicSound, George, Arbit, Delcer, piebox, Odysseus2099, Seventeen, Ian Drash, NavySeel, Ekans Ekans Ekans, dacsan, The Laurent, Strypgia, Nianque, banelord, masterofmadness, Powerofmind, ninjafish, veekie, redzonejoe, SometimesMaybe, racnor, Hangwind, Heavenly Body, vaaliant, tenchifew, Faintrosity

[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2
No. of votes: 26
Nix, oilworker, SuperSonicSound, George, Delcer, piebox, Odysseus2099, Ian Drash, Ekans Ekans Ekans, dacsan, The Laurent, Strypgia, Nianque, banelord, masterofmadness, Powerofmind, ninjafish, veekie, redzonejoe, SometimesMaybe, racnor, Hangwind, Heavenly Body, vaaliant, tenchifew, Faintrosity

[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x3
No. of votes: 2
Nix, oilworker

[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x4
No. of votes: 2
Nix, oilworker

[X] Forbidden Research (Keys off of Learning)
No. of votes: 10
Nix, Elbrasch, remulian, oilworker, Thrice-Blessed22, Doomsough, trewsad55, Seventeen, NavySeel, Yorick's Skull

-[X] Basic Psychoreactive Materials 304/1000
No. of votes: 10
Nix, Elbrasch, remulian, oilworker, Thrice-Blessed22, Doomsough, trewsad55, Seventeen, NavySeel, Yorick's Skull

[X] Attend University (3 actions) (synergy with Research as Adviser)
No. of votes: 25
Nix, oilworker, Thrice-Blessed22, Doomsough, Delcer, CircleTheSkies, ReaperofInterest, Seventeen, Ian Drash, Ekans Ekans Ekans, dacsan, The Laurent, Strypgia, Nianque, banelord, masterofmadness, Powerofmind, ninjafish, veekie, redzonejoe, SometimesMaybe, Hangwind, vaaliant, tenchifew, Faintrosity

[X] Continue to study and debate religious changes to Grave Tenders (synergy with Attend University)
No. of votes: 28
Nix, Alectai, Elbrasch, DarkLight140, oilworker, Thrice-Blessed22, Delcer, CircleTheSkies, ReaperofInterest, Seventeen, Ian Drash, NavySeel, Ekans Ekans Ekans, dacsan, The Laurent, Strypgia, Nianque, banelord, masterofmadness, Powerofmind, ninjafish, veekie, redzonejoe, SometimesMaybe, Hangwind, vaaliant, tenchifew, Faintrosity

[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (x2)
No. of votes: 1
Alectai

[X] Train powers - Adviser (x2)
No. of votes: 2
Alectai, Neptune

[X] Practice your combat forms (synergy with Attend Military Academy)
No. of votes: 3
Alectai, DarkLight140, Odysseus2099

[X] Spend time with Anna and her family
No. of votes: 13
Alectai, Elbrasch, remulian, SuperSonicSound, trewsad55, George, Arbit, piebox, Odysseus2099, NavySeel, Neptune, Yorick's Skull, Heavenly Body

[X] Spend time with Victoria and her family
No. of votes: 11
Alectai, remulian, SuperSonicSound, trewsad55, George, Arbit, piebox, Odysseus2099, Neptune, Yorick's Skull, Heavenly Body

[X] Invigorate Council x1 (gives Anna and each other council member +1 Personal Action)
No. of votes: 13
Elbrasch, Arbit, Seventeen, Ian Drash, NavySeel, banelord, Yorick's Skull, veekie, redzonejoe, SometimesMaybe, vaaliant, tenchifew, Faintrosity

[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
No. of votes: 30
Elbrasch, remulian, remulian, Thrice-Blessed22, SuperSonicSound, Doomsough, trewsad55, George, Arbit, Delcer, piebox, Odysseus2099, Seventeen, Ian Drash, NavySeel, Ekans Ekans Ekans, dacsan, The Laurent, Strypgia, Nianque, banelord, masterofmadness, Powerofmind, veekie, redzonejoe, SometimesMaybe, racnor, Heavenly Body, vaaliant, tenchifew, Faintrosity

[X] Lesser Future Telling - State (R x6) (gives warnings of impending short term disasters)
No. of votes: 5
Elbrasch, Thrice-Blessed22, Doomsough, Arbit, NavySeel

[X] Train Jinah - Personal (RA x2)
No. of votes: 2
Elbrasch, NavySeel

[X] Train powers - Personal (R x4)
No. of votes: 3
Elbrasch, trewsad55, NavySeel

[x] Hunt Psykers (Keys off of Intrigue and Divination)
No. of votes: 1
remulian

[x] Spend time with Rowena and her family
No. of votes: 10
remulian, SuperSonicSound, trewsad55, George, Arbit, piebox, Odysseus2099, Neptune, Yorick's Skull, Heavenly Body

[x] Train powers - Personal
No. of votes: 7
remulian, DarkLight140, SuperSonicSound, George, Arbit, piebox, Heavenly Body

[x] Train powers - Adviser
No. of votes: 5
DarkLight140, trewsad55, CircleTheSkies, ReaperofInterest, Neptune

[x] Train Jinah - Adviser
No. of votes: 4
DarkLight140, trewsad55, CircleTheSkies, ReaperofInterest

[x] Improve Health (R x6)
No. of votes: 1
DarkLight140

[x] Hunt Psykers (R x6)
No. of votes: 1
DarkLight140

[x] Train Jinah - Personal
No. of votes: 4
DarkLight140, Doomsough, Neptune, Yorick's Skull

[X] Train with Paradox Cube - Adviser (AR x3)
No. of votes: 1
Thrice-Blessed22

[X] Improve Health (R x6) (attend to the health of various people, generating goodwill. Each amount of commitment improves the reach of your services)
No. of votes: 2
Thrice-Blessed22, Seventeen

[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2) x2
No. of votes: 12
SuperSonicSound, George, Delcer, piebox, Odysseus2099, Ekans Ekans Ekans, dacsan, Nianque, masterofmadness, Powerofmind, racnor, Heavenly Body

[X] Hunt Psykers (R x6) (Keys off of Intrigue and Divination)
No. of votes: 1
Doomsough

[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x3)
No. of votes: 1
trewsad55

[X] Lesser Future Telling - State
No. of votes: 5
CircleTheSkies, ReaperofInterest, The Laurent, Strypgia, Yorick's Skull

[X] Improve Health
No. of votes: 2
CircleTheSkies, ReaperofInterest

[X] Hunt Psykers
No. of votes: 1
Neptune

[X] Hunt Psykers x2
No. of votes: 1
Neptune

[X] Train powers - Adviser (RA x2)
No. of votes: 1
Yorick's Skull

[X] Train powers - Adviser (RA x2) X3
No. of votes: 2
ninjafish, Hangwind

[X] Train powers - Adviser (RA x2) x4
No. of votes: 2
ninjafish, Hangwind
 
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6)
[X] Train powers - Adviser (R x6) x2
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2)
[X] Train Jinah - Adviser (RA x2) x2

[X] Attend University (3 actions) (synergy with Research as Adviser)
[X] Continue to study and debate religious changes to Grave Tenders (synergy with Attend University)

...so many votes for various flavors of Basically The Same Thing.

Why not. So many options.
 
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