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We didn't have the advanced opposed vice traits before, also we gained those virtues before gaining the Index (except humble which required a crit).
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Nianque
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Kind is one of the most important traits for us and we lack it's opposite (Envious), so that should be relatively easy. Concerning Humble (the most important)... Well, unless I'm misunderstanding Unyielding Pride then it's holding us up to a high standard. I think there's still room for Humble in with that where we hold ourselves to a high standard, but don't think we're above everyone else.
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On the topic of traits, I would be for relearning kind, then having mirande try to share her benevolence. That would greatly ameliorate the personality effects of our new traits, repair a piece of her soul, and do so without opposing any of the added/stolen advanced vices.
The result of that would probably be someone both quick to anger and willing to forgive, merciless against her enemies, but quick to make them into friends. I would not mind this Dia.
The result of that would probably be someone both quick to anger and willing to forgive, merciless against her enemies, but quick to make them into friends. I would not mind this Dia.
"By befriending my enemies, do I not destroy them?"
We basically use antigod-corrupted Eldar bioweaponry to forcibly de-soul and convert the pre-fall Dark Eldar into neoNecrons. What could go wrong?
We found a spawn point. Now it's time to build a mob grinder.
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*Glances at Mirande's stats*
Needs either for you to research more energy weapons or to learn pyromancy, but I could buy her as a Nanoha-expie. She certainly has the Diplomacy and Willpower scores for it.
Comes back after several days, oh wtf.
Welp time to break out that old backup plan. Let's kick some babies into that there space time wedgie and drawing mind melting runes all over our shit. I haven't seen a good Chaos quest in a while.
Now seriously can we close that sucker or will we have to just declare the area and the surrounding 100+ miles lost. At least the necro stuff will dampen it.
Welp time to break out that old backup plan. Let's kick some babies into that there space time wedgie and drawing mind melting runes all over our shit. I haven't seen a good Chaos quest in a while.
Now seriously can we close that sucker or will we have to just declare the area and the surrounding 100+ miles lost. At least the necro stuff will dampen it.
"My last enemy had his ashes cleaned out of my air intakes. Are you sure you don't want to be friends?"
"Friendship is Magic! Especially if I reach deep into your mind and twist!"
"The beatings will continue until friends are made."
If we ever get that far and succeed hard enough. This should be our SOP and we should get Angorn. Or Russ. Or Sanguinus cause he is the girliest other than Fulgrim To go with the magical girl motif.
I've just read the last few updates and wow, a stupid decision was made which resulted in an epic storytelling.
As others have said while bad things have happened I think the positives outweigh them somewhat. One of the prime ones is that while we lost our old virtues, we got new ones which neither we nor subsequently Mirande, whom is going for the Enlightened trait, has. This is improved further by the fact Mirande took double virtue training earlier on so she this should lower the DC for those. We also acquired a great deal of information while admittedly giving it up as well but considering the sheer scales of the entity that knowledge was inevitably going to come out. We've also acquired a new survey monacle so we can gift one to Mirande for her journey, or research it freely. I would be in favor of just gifting it and losing Dia's to the research.
The final thing would be the clout that this can potentially bring us if the next combat round works well, both with the other polities and with the Eldar. If we let the vault details come out with our diplomatic actions towards them, along with this Eldar/Daemon attack out it should substantially damage the 504's desire to leave to a more vulnerable location.
@Academia Nut - I asked this awhile back but unfortunatly there was no answer so should Andraste not get a special genetic trait for having both Strong and Gigantism similar to the ones already displayed with virtues/sins? Would you also be willing to put a new family sheet under the characters list in the main page, with Dia and the Councilers? This would be a great help IMO.
The final question is given this game is transitioning to a more RPG format will traits have a greater role, as for a long time now I've just felt they were just stat boosters and that was all. It would be great to see them come into play in conversations and how they interact with others, with the paths we can take substantially effected. It would also be great to see how the stats themselves come into play more than just the game mechanics side.
As others have said while bad things have happened I think the positives outweigh them somewhat. One of the prime ones is that while we lost our old virtues, we got new ones which neither we nor subsequently Mirande, whom is going for the Enlightened trait, has. This is improved further by the fact Mirande took double virtue training earlier on so she this should lower the DC for those. We also acquired a great deal of information while admittedly giving it up as well but considering the sheer scales of the entity that knowledge was inevitably going to come out. We've also acquired a new survey monacle so we can gift one to Mirande for her journey, or research it freely. I would be in favor of just gifting it and losing Dia's to the research.
The final thing would be the clout that this can potentially bring us if the next combat round works well, both with the other polities and with the Eldar. If we let the vault details come out with our diplomatic actions towards them, along with this Eldar/Daemon attack out it should substantially damage the 504's desire to leave to a more vulnerable location.
@Academia Nut - I asked this awhile back but unfortunatly there was no answer so should Andraste not get a special genetic trait for having both Strong and Gigantism similar to the ones already displayed with virtues/sins? Would you also be willing to put a new family sheet under the characters list in the main page, with Dia and the Councilers? This would be a great help IMO.
The final question is given this game is transitioning to a more RPG format will traits have a greater role, as for a long time now I've just felt they were just stat boosters and that was all. It would be great to see them come into play in conversations and how they interact with others, with the paths we can take substantially effected. It would also be great to see how the stats themselves come into play more than just the game mechanics side.
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Well, he's got a point.
We've got horribly mind raped. Basically our protag got her soul replaced by an abomination created by our enemies and some people here triumphantly claim how awesome our new shiny stats are when said stats utterly fucked up any and all strategic planning and rendered the protag a lose gun.
We've got horribly mind raped. Basically our protag got her soul replaced by an abomination created by our enemies and some people here triumphantly claim how awesome our new shiny stats are when said stats utterly fucked up any and all strategic planning and rendered the protag a lose gun.
Unlike what some say, I doubt we'll be able to gain back the freaking traits we lost so easily. It'll likely take 100+ rolls to do so at *least* if we even get the ability/option to gain them back.
Losing Humble, Patient, and Kind is a huge freaking blow especially when we are about to lose control of Dia.
Stats are not fucking everything folks.
Losing Humble, Patient, and Kind is a huge freaking blow especially when we are about to lose control of Dia.
Stats are not fucking everything folks.
Nianque
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We'll get one of the traits we need next turn probably. Watch.
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Yeah, our Dia will be a ruthless and rather...cold individual, I figure, in a way that's neutral at best.
I vote for Kind. Patience is all well and good, but we need Dia not to be a horrible human being before we go.
I'm even fine with her being a proud, self-righteous prig about her Kindness and charity. "Aren't I an amazing human being for being so nice?"
Sure you are, Dia, sure you are.
I vote for Kind. Patience is all well and good, but we need Dia not to be a horrible human being before we go.
I'm even fine with her being a proud, self-righteous prig about her Kindness and charity. "Aren't I an amazing human being for being so nice?"
Sure you are, Dia, sure you are.
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You know, not having kind doesn't actually make you horrible. It's not like she's actively cruel. She's run out of patience with the 504s and will probably beef up our military. Both of these are, in my opinion, good.
She's likely to continue caring about her family, and her continued ambition means she'll do what's best to grow greengraft, which is also good.
So she won't be a paragon of virtue or anything, but she'll still be somebody worth admiring, who has the best interests of our polity at heart, and who is completely capable of kicking ass.
It might not be optimal, but neither is it anywhere near horrible.
I'm starting to feel like if events end up anything less then absolutely perfect for us, people will complain. Lots of people. Even me.
Damn it why couldn't we have passed 40 martial? It's all for nothing, we might as well quit since we're just going to watch the world burn in front of us without that 40 martial that we absolutely needed for arbitrary reasons!
She's likely to continue caring about her family, and her continued ambition means she'll do what's best to grow greengraft, which is also good.
So she won't be a paragon of virtue or anything, but she'll still be somebody worth admiring, who has the best interests of our polity at heart, and who is completely capable of kicking ass.
It might not be optimal, but neither is it anywhere near horrible.
I'm starting to feel like if events end up anything less then absolutely perfect for us, people will complain. Lots of people. Even me.
Damn it why couldn't we have passed 40 martial? It's all for nothing, we might as well quit since we're just going to watch the world burn in front of us without that 40 martial that we absolutely needed for arbitrary reasons!
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Well, you say she doesn't wind up a bad person, but the text itself seems rather disheartening. Or at least, it sounds as if it isn't just "She got made slightly less nice."
"The repackaging of your soul is not without incident though. Through either carelessness or malicious intent, the abomination breaks part of your mind, slicing away pieces of you. Compassion and patience and humility slide away from you, leaving you lesser for it. You feel your heart harden, a black pit of hate growing within you. Such violation, such a fundamental rape of the soul could not go unchallenged, and you manage to lash out with every erg of will you have in you. While it does no harm to the ancient alien mind, you do make contact, and something resonates back into you. Perhaps because of the Index, perhaps because of some fundamental resonance between the structure of your soul and the Eldar soul, but you catch a glimpse of the immensity of experience within that being and you rip your own copies of that which is useful from the abomination. The alien drops its telekinetic field in surprise as you undergo a fundamental reorganization of the self."
Though we might have mitigated it slightly with the Focused fury stuff, or something. The pride's not good either, since it'll leave Dia less able to check herself before she wrecks herself.
And no, I'm not claiming this is the end of the world, but gaining Kind (Humble's no longer likely because of the Super Pride trait) would help moderate some of her bad tendencies.
So that she doesn't, say, string people along sexually for no reason, or go too far in getting revenge for reasonably petty slights. Instead she'll be sexual but in a more benovolent way, quick to anger, but understanding the concept of mercy.
Also, it's the first trait we gained from our own actions, Kind is. It feels special to me in that sense, since we acted as we could to not be jerks early on and it paid off then, at least.
And who the hell is harping about stats here? I'm talking about virtues. Virtues which are freaking needed in WH40k universe if you don't want to spiral down to damnation, especially as Chaos begins to become more active. Stats help but it isn't everything. And how far will Dia take her vindictiveness? Will she just find the ones responsible for the sniping or will she tear the entire 504 apart and kill hundreds of people to discover who screwed her?
Will she be able to *end* feuds without slaughtering tons of innocent people? Will she make a desert and call it peace?
Will she have the patience to sit through tedious and grinding negotiations and diplomacy or will she blow up?
Will her pride prevent her from asking for help if she needs it? Or will it blind her to her need?
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I was actually thinking of the Abraham Lincoln quote, but I'll take the White Devil.
...what would we need to get nonlethal plasma weaponry anyway?
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If we can get Mirande a beard, I'd be fine with her going to war with someone to free slaves.
I've actually been pushing for this since the Convention where the 504 decided to keep pushing. I lost patience in a rather permanent fashion at that point. So if Dia does it, well:
I'm not going to object. Frankly, I want to get out of her way and let her get some shit done!
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Daaaw. Have a hug.
Of course you're talking about traits. Since I'm arguing that the traits are fine, I can't very well complain about them at the same time!
What, are you one of those sensible people? Away with ye! We have no need for good sense around these parts. Not common sense either. Maybe spidey-sense though.
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Think about the choice like this.
What if she had summoned a Great Unclean One onto the field, and we didnt find out about it?
I mean, wasnt it said that in another world this Dark Eldar lady would be close to Great Daemon powerlevels? So what if she summoned...a bloodletter?
Or a Changer of Ways?
And we didnt find out about it till much later? This is Dandriss bro, while the biology might be instinctively opposed to Eldar interference, the same wont necessarily hold true for...nurglite. Imagine what kind of shenanigans he could get up to here.
What if she had summoned a Great Unclean One onto the field, and we didnt find out about it?
I mean, wasnt it said that in another world this Dark Eldar lady would be close to Great Daemon powerlevels? So what if she summoned...a bloodletter?
Or a Changer of Ways?
And we didnt find out about it till much later? This is Dandriss bro, while the biology might be instinctively opposed to Eldar interference, the same wont necessarily hold true for...nurglite. Imagine what kind of shenanigans he could get up to here.