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A Little Vice (Trans Magical Girl fic)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
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The funny thing about bringing up TV Tropes is their page on the Seven Virtues has Michael linked with Charity instead of Humility. Then again, as is usual with TV Tropes, they don't cite a source for this (largely because most of what they catalogue is self-evident, but it becomes a problem when it's not).
And of course, demons have been shuffled around with which sin they represent, so why not angels with virtues?
 
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One thing the Users' Choice Awards have got me noticing to is it's pretty impressive how many Original Magical Girl stories there are on SV. Besides Vice and Fool Bloom you've also got Magical Girl Phantom Ascension, Something Wicked, A Magical Anomaly, Neon Lights and Magical Girls, VII Queens, The Legacy: Fruit of the Shadowflower, Inferno Blade, Council of Elite Magical Teams, Ford's own Phantasm Arm Ballad, and Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest with all its spinoffs. Obviously, they're all of varying quality and not all are from the POV of MGs, but still quite the number.

Has got me wondering what a Super Robot Wars-esque crossover would be like (guess Majokko Daisakusen would be the closer comparison)? Not sure how tough it'd be to organise.

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ArlequineLunaire said:
Has got me wondering what a Super Robot Wars-esque crossover would be like (guess Majokko Daisakusen would be the closer comparison)? Not sure how tough it'd be to organise
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Eons ago there was a "Super Bishoujo Wars" game that I never played, but the idea has been tossed around. As far as crossing over peoples' SV-original stuff, I feel like the main problem is that I, personally, would want the permission and input of authors who were available on-site and not corporations I can Fair Use fanfiction out of, and that would be a pain in the ass to organize.
 
The SRW tradition of just merging all the backstories and setting elements would be fun as a worldbuilding exercise, though. Like, the Saints would probably just have to be aware that other magical girl groups have existed in the past that might use different mechanics, maybe you do the route split early on to seperate out some of the series with very different tones?

(Also I think the most direct SRW with magical girls series is Super Heroine Chronicle, since banpresto dev'd it and it has at least a few magical girls in there alongside idols and such.)
 
NemoMarx said:
The SRW tradition of just merging all the backstories and setting elements would be fun as a worldbuilding exercise, though. Like, the Saints would probably just have to be aware that other magical girl groups have existed in the past that might use different mechanics, maybe you do the route split early on to seperate out some of the series with very different tones?
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The three Sufficient Velocity magical girl stories I've been following pose a pretty fundamental problem: Time.
  • Something Wicked is set while the alien villains are still establishing their evil plans. The world is broadly unaware of magic existing.
  • A Little Vice is set in the middle of a magical girl series. The world is aware of magic, but it's new and rare.
  • Fool Bloom is set a generation after the alien villains are defeated. The world is full of Hanazakari, who have had a profound impact on the world (and aren't the idealistic children they used to be).
Theoretically, you could mash these three things together. The Frost Fair were defeated decades ago, Superbia Dragon started his plans months ago, Zaiyu and company showed up last week.

But then you'd expect the Hanazakari to be involved with the Abyssal Beasts and Resinners (or at least influence Inessa and C's opinions on magical girls), and the Estil would presumably make wildly different plans if there were thousands/millions of magical girls and an unrelated supernatural invasion of Earth going on when they showed up, never mind whatever Blue Lotus is up to.

The numerous, adult-going-on-middle-aged Hanazakari throw a wrench in any current magical girl plotlines just by existing. If teens are the only people physically capable of stopping the evil magic monsters, you can mostly overlook the implications of teens being tasked with that job. That's a bit harder when there are mature, experienced magical girls right over there who should be able to handle things.
 
GreatWyrmGold said:
The numerous, adult-going-on-middle-aged Hanazakari throw a wrench in any current magical girl plotlines just by existing. If teens are the only people physically capable of stopping the evil magic monsters, you can mostly overlook the implications of teens being tasked with that job. That's a bit harder when there are mature, experienced magical girls right over there who should be able to handle things.
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I feel like the SRW tradition of time-compressing around thirty in-universe years of UC Gundam into like a couple months might be informative here, if only to cover its habit of saying "shit sucks and we keep accidentally child soldiers". Amuro Ray existing as an active soldier doesn't stop Kamille Bidan from punching the shit out of a cop, and Fool Bloom's protag existing probably won't stop Inessa Brandt from coming out so hard she gets superpowers (in fact it'd probably just encourage her. This is Inessa we're talking about).
 
Despite me invoking SRW, one idea I was considering for this potential crossover might be to isekai the protagonists of each all into a new world. My reason for this was so everyone would start on an even playing field and you wouldn't have to worry about their settings clashing with each other.

Nerdorama said:
As far as crossing over peoples' SV-original stuff, I feel like the main problem is that I, personally, would want the permission and input of authors who were available on-site and not corporations I can Fair Use fanfiction out of, and that would be a pain in the ass to organize.
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While I agree it would be the polite thing to do, at the same time their various authors are largely okay with fanfics of their own work, so that helps speed things up. It might also be easier if we only introduce a few SV MG series at a time, then gradually introduce others as we get their authors on board.

GreatWyrmGold said:
The numerous, adult-going-on-middle-aged Hanazakari throw a wrench in any current magical girl plotlines just by existing.
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Granted, they're also quite prone to in-fighting, which could free up space for the Saints and other MGs to do their own thing. I guess if you had all the MG groups together, the Hanazakari by and large would come off as the crusty former generation, and MG generational conflict could be interesting as it isn't something you see often
 
NemoMarx said:
The SRW tradition of just merging all the backstories and setting elements would be fun as a worldbuilding exercise, though. Like, the Saints would probably just have to be aware that other magical girl groups have existed in the past that might use different mechanics, maybe you do the route split early on to seperate out some of the series with very different tones?
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Well, the city in a little vice, if it were the only place with magical stuff happening, would receive a lot more attention than it currently does, unless magic is also stopping that, like a collective identity magic so most people in the world don't know where stuff is happening.
 
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Well, the city in a little vice, if it were the only place with magical stuff happening, would receive a lot more attention than it currently does, unless magic is also stopping that, like a collective identity magic so most people in the world don't know where stuff is happening.
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Do you mean that it's the only place that the Frost Fair and later villains attack, as well as the only place that humans discover magic unrelated to any attempts to fight those villains (like the Sakurazuka family) live? Putting aside how that would change the context of threats that were originally regional or global instead of local, that sounds...silly, I guess.

I'd speculate more about how we could weave a bunch of SV magical girl plotlines together, but I'm not familiar with most of them and we really only have author approval from one of the authors.
 
The big problem with incorporating Something Wicked into this multi-crossover is that barely any of its MGs have awakened at time of writing, though we at least know who they all are (or we could just focus on its villains). Doubly so with Fruit of the Shadowflower which is still quite recent.

Magical Girl Phantom Ascension, being about ghosts and the dead, could be easy to slot in since that's a topic the other MG series don't tackle much, and so don't have strong rules on. VII Queens is interesting since it also has a Seven Deadly Sins motif, or rather had since it's been inactive for a while.
Though some of the other MG stories having multiple worlds already established could help with fitting the settings together, again if we don't go the 'neutral ground isekai' route
 
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Do you mean that it's the only place that the Frost Fair and later villains attack, as well as the only place that humans discover magic unrelated to any attempts to fight those villains (like the Sakurazuka family) live? Putting aside how that would change the context of threats that were originally regional or global instead of local, that sounds...silly, I guess.

I'd speculate more about how we could weave a bunch of SV magical girl plotlines together, but I'm not familiar with most of them and we really only have author approval from one of the authors.
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Oh no. I meant. If in the original canon of ALV it's the only place with weirdness, it'd need something to not get swarmed. A crossover where they all happen on the same earth solves that. A bunch of cities having magical girl shenanigans.
 
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ArlequineLunaire said:
The big problem with incorporating Something Wicked into this multi-crossover is that barely any of its MGs have awakened at time of writing, though we at least know who they all are (or we could just focus on its villains).
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Hm, yeah. We'd pretty much need to stick to the Estil, Sasori, and maybe a couple of Zaiyu's unsuspecting human buddies. And we'd have to either leave Kaoru behind or make a blind guess about what his deal is.

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This does sound fun. And it would be a chance to reference a 2013-14 play-by-post from Bay12, which would confuse everyone else but amuse me.
Also, has it really been ten and a half years since that started? Ugh. Time.
 
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One thing about SRW is they usually have an original character in the lead (there's even spinoff games with nothing but SRW originals). I've always assumed the reason for this, other than branding, is so that no one series' characters are favoured above any others. So I'm wondering if people think this crossover should have one too, and what she'd be like?

GreatWyrmGold said:
And it would be a chance to reference a 2013-14 play-by-post from Bay12, which would confuse everyone else but amuse me.
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Okay, I'm intrigued
 
I remember reading some crossover of many magical girl shows. It started with an exhausted magical girl who'd been fighting alone for a time breaking the masquerade. I dropped it though, and don't remember much.
 
LampWitch said:
I remember reading some crossover of many magical girl shows. It started with an exhausted magical girl who'd been fighting alone for a time breaking the masquerade. I dropped it though, and don't remember much.
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I remember that, the problem with it was that it was a big collaborative work with mostly OCs and several of the contributing authors were of questionable quality
 
Yeah. It just wasn't that good. Though at least interesting idea. Original magical girl for the crossover needing backup. The idea of her posting ads online, maybe posters, trying to recruit help is funny. If we go with multiple worlds, she could be the cause of the worlds crossing?
 
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Original magical girl for the crossover needing backup. The idea of her posting ads online, maybe posters, trying to recruit help is funny.
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Now this idea I like, though I'm open to other suggestions of course!

I also asked SpoopyGhost and SillyLittleCoffe, QMs of Phantom Ascension and Something Wicked respectively, what they thought about the idea of a crossover. They were both pretty positive, with Coffe liking the SRW single continuity idea while acknowledging how hard it'd be to pull off, but said they'd probably need to read more MG works on SV first before making any final decisions.

Also, two more Original MG works I forgot last time, Undoomed and 如願以償 (roughly translates to 'Get your Wish'), despite me having voted in the latter so oops
 
Spectral Waltz said:
I remember that, the problem with it was that it was a big collaborative work with mostly OCs and several of the contributing authors were of questionable quality
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I won't claim that it was good. I mostly remember it being a fun setting to RP in...and that I didn't really understand what "magical girls" were when I filled out my character sheet, hah.

Anyways, that structureless nature makes it a pretty perfect nexus for some kind of massive multiplayer crossover. Especially since there was a crossover between it and a superhero RP thing, which died partway through, leading to the superhero/villain characters sticking around in the magical girl setting until the players left or the setting was rebooted.

My point is, a bunch of semi-orthodox magical girl teams and their villains ending up in that world would be positively normal. Perhaps not as fun as trying to clump half a dozen separate power systems, villainous plots, and magical girl teams into one coherent whole, but it's definitely possible.
 
Though SRW does have several multiple worlds itself of course.

Anyway, went and complied a more structured and comprehensive list of Original MG stories and settings on SV (well, the CWMGQ spinoffs are fanfics, but still of an original SV work), even if some have been inactive for a while. Think I got them all, but let me know otherwise:
 
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